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| Topic Started: Jan 16 2006, 02:32 PM (999 Views) | |
| Cybrus | Jan 16 2006, 02:32 PM Post #1 |
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How do you feel about the issue of gay marriage? Do you think it should be allowed or do you think it should be illegal? Why? Personally, I think that gay marriage should be allowed. If two people love each other enough to make that kind of commitment, then I think they should be allowed to make that commitment without someone making a fuss over it. Although, I think that they should call it something else besides marriage. Marriage in itself is a religious word. |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 17 2006, 01:52 AM Post #2 |
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Ah if there is one thing I hate it's conservative old men who don't condone things such as homosexual marriage, euthanasia, abortion and drug use. As for homosexual marriage, it's as simple as this: Marriage, although it stems from religion is about one persons bond to another person, it's about love. If two men or two women love each other, then there should be no argument as to whether they should be allowed to marry or not. Perhaps in the 1500's when gays were executed then it wouldn't have been the right thing to do, it would be suicide. Nowadays when it's safe for a homosexual to come out and live their life in the style they want, old smelly men have no place to forbid gay marriage. I'll repeat, marriage is about love, not sex. Allow gay marriage Legalise all euthanasia Legalise abortion fully (until the child is born) Legalise all drugs |
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| Cybrus | Jan 19 2006, 10:44 AM Post #3 |
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I completely agree with everything you said except for legalizing all drugs. I have no problems with marijuana being legalized since it tends to act as a sedative. However, there are some drugs, such as crack or cocaine, that simply should never be legalized. Those types of drugs changes the chemical balance of a person's brain and makes them do stuff that they'd never do if they weren't on those particular drugs. I don't think that particular type of activity should be legalized and/or encouraged at all. |
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| Kraul | Jan 19 2006, 11:12 AM Post #4 |
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Yeah, I have to echo Cybrus' post there. Legalizing all drugs would be a big mistake. Many drugs can take a generally safe person and turn them into a big danger. Take meth, for example. Have you been around anyone who is hooked on meth? I have. He's been addicted to this stuff off and on again. When he's on it he goes from being a hyper asshole to being a super-hyper, very dangerous and very emotional asshole. His danger levels get kicked to the extremes because of it. Legalizing it would only make everything worse (especially since there would probably be more people getting high then deciding to drive). As for gay marriage, I'm all for it. I'm not gay myself and I'm definately not a fan of marriage, but if someone who is gay wants to marry another person of the same sex - that's fine with me. It doesn't have any effect in my life and probably never would. |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 19 2006, 01:15 PM Post #5 |
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My thoughts on drugs are this (based on what I see at school): The people that take hard drugs (this doesn't include smoking, marijuana or alcolhol) are no hope idiots anyway. Legalise it and it's still the same idiots that use it. If it were legalised would it make any difference to you? Of course not, it would be the same people that use it. The only adverse side effect would be an increase in drink spiking, which is a problem. I also echo something that The Netherlands promotes, whilst it doesn't condone hard drugs, it definately has a point about their criminal nature. "Drugs are a public health issue, not a criminal matter. There should be no penalties for taking any type of drug." |
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| marcus | Jan 19 2006, 10:31 PM Post #6 |
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You say that until your kid comes home from school one day with a heroine needle stuck in their arm and then goes "why are you whining? You said legalising it would be fine". Legalising all drugs is insanity and would lead to dealers getting to kids far easier. Not just the no-hopers, but the kids who are picked on and the jocks who want to feel good .Teenage kids have absolutely no idea when it comes to these things (see spiralling teenage pregnancy rates). And then what's legal? Rohypnol? So you can drug someone up and rape them? Crack Cocaine? A substance so destructive that you can get hooked on it after one puff? Heroine? The most addictive and deadly drug on this Earth that ruins lives? And don't give me that "if you're sensible you won't do it" shit. If i was sensible I wouldn't drink. But it's legal and I enjoy it so I do it. So if we were to legalise crystal meth...who's to say what poor sod ends up bleeding from their nose and eyes and lying dead on the pavement. Have you ever seen someone die of an OD? It is not a pretty sight. |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 20 2006, 12:23 AM Post #7 |
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Well, if my kid were to come home (keeping in mind I don't have a kid) with a heroin needle sticking out of their arm, I'd blame myself. I also have a simple solution, educate your damn children on the dangers of drugs, and then there'd be no problem. The kids that take drugs, from my experience have had parents that simply don't educate them on the dangers. If more parents showed people "Requiem for a Dream", a few pictures of dead people and other traumatising materials about drugs, then the kids would be scarred for life and would never touch a drug. And hell, it's impossible to become addicted to a drug after just one use of it, you have to start using it chronically to become addicted. Who are the people that are dumb enough to do that? The same people who would take them in the first place, that's who. I'll offer a short example, handguns are legalised in America, but was there ever a dramatic increase in gun related suicide when they were legalised? Of course not, the same people who want the guns for that reason are going to get them anyway, and the people that know about their dangers aren't going to shoot themselves just because they're legalised. Why do people know not to shoot themselves? Because there is massive education to do with guns, and not enough on drugs. As I said, make it compulsory for all 8-10 year olds to see Requiem for a Dream and then take them for a trip to the nearest city to see junkie's lying in the streets half dead because of what drugs did to them. Also, legalising them would eliminate the need for a black market to supply them, and hence it would lower gang/organised crime. The price would come down as well, due to increased supply. People won't need to spend as much money to get their fix and hence they'd have the opportunity to live a much more comfortable life. There's only so much heroin one can buy, it's the same with alcohol and cigarettes. And by golly, the money that is spent on making sure drugs don't get into the country could be spent on education about drugs. Education is much more powerful then punishment and defence (The Netherlands has proved this). And saying that kids who are bullied by bullies (Australians don't use jock, and even then it's just a word to make the bullies feel better) take drugs to make them feel better is fucking stupid and idiotic. I know several people who have been picked on chonically through high school and they're sensible enough to never go near drugs, because most of the people who did the bullying were the ones that would touch the stuff in the first place. They aren't dumb, they're smart and do their research about drugs and don't touch em. And while I'm in a bad mood, I'll say that the Columbine kids did were almost in the right. I don't condone killing anyone, but the people they did kill were all bullies anyway. Not really a waste to have them all dead, the only waste was the fact that these gun toting loonies could have been smart, succesful people if the bullies hadn'thave picked on em in the first place. Perhaps the poor, poor parents who lost their children should think about what type of children they had, and what their own children put other kids though, then, they can cry. |
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| jackymatic | Jan 20 2006, 02:28 AM Post #8 |
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topic = super controversial my opinion : pay to know
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| Cybrus | Jan 20 2006, 10:02 AM Post #9 |
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Yeah, that is true. However, as long as people continue to discuss their opinions in a mature manner then there is absolutely nothing wrong with discussing a controversial subject. ![]()
If all these hard drugs were legalized, then marketers could start to advertise them which would open up the market towards people that may not even consider using it otherwise. Look at alcohol and cigarettes. Drunks aren't the only people that drink and cancer-ridden people aren't the only ones that smoke. You see ads for these products all over the place. Children grow up knowing about them and the dangers that come from them, yet you don't see a decline in their usage. You actually see an increase due to the increase in advertising...and peer pressure that naturally goes hand-in-hand with the subject matter.
Suicide? No. Gun violence, yes. Compare the gun violence statistics for the USA against Canada and you'll see the difference. Also, this isn't really a fair comparison since not too many people buy drugs with the forethought of ODing, and at the same time not many people buy guns specifically to kill themselves. It does happen, but not at a high enough rate to base as a comparison.
I do agree that it is the parents' responsibility to educate their children about (amongst other things) the dangers of drugs. However, you know as well as I do that peer pressure has as much, if not more, influence over a person's decision, especially if the person in question is a young, easily coerced teenager. Parents can, and do, lecture their children about the dangers of alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana. But at the tender age of 13, 14, 15 (or whatever age) when a child is invited to his first real party and is surrounded by people that are drinking and smoking then we both know that person is more likely to join in the activity in hopes of being seen as "cool" than he is to stand up for what his parents taught him. When I was in school, and even today, hard drugs weren't at these types of parties do to the fact that they were so expensive, relatively difficult to get (in my area), and becasue people were too afraid to get caught with them. However, if you legalize them then they'll be readily availiable, thus easier for mass consumption.
That is not true. It has been proven that the usage of certain hard drugs can change your brain chemicals to the extent that you are addicted to the drug after just one use. It is also possible to die from taking certain drugs the first time, and I'm not talking about ODing. |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 20 2006, 10:49 AM Post #10 |
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According to the book that we got from the government, it's impossible to get addicted after one dose. The whole idea behind addiction with stimulants and depressants (not psychadelic drugs) is that it alters the body's natural systems and chemical make up and such, so that it depends on the drug's chemicals to continue the body's normal functions. Hence if you take one dose of heroin, your body is not going to alter it's functions after one dose. You take it every day and your body will change itself so that it can use the substance to continue it's day to day functions, and hence you become addicted. |
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| jackymatic | Jan 21 2006, 12:05 AM Post #11 |
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you cant get hooked on drugs from one dose however it is hard to quit this addiction bUT NEBBA YOU ARE WRONG WITH ONE THINg with cocaine it is a complete different story because once you use cocaine (even once) then you will be hooked for life why? because cocaine soon becomes a need for the body so even if you want to stop cocaine it is near impossible im not saying that theres no such thing as quiting cocaine but it will be extremely hard |
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| jackymatic | Jan 21 2006, 12:06 AM Post #12 |
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and the way you take heroin is sick i mean i hate syringes!!!!!!!
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 21 2006, 12:41 AM Post #13 |
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But I just explained why it's not possible to get addicted after one dose of any depressant, including Cocaine. Show me your evidence boy. But anyway, this subject is about gay marriage, let's get back on the subject eh?
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| jackymatic | Jan 21 2006, 05:23 AM Post #14 |
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k heres my evidence he is a quote from the website "People who try cocaine often get hooked to the short-term cocaine effects, namely feeling as though they have increased energy. The quick high keeps users feeling energetic and able to endure longer in physical activities. New cocaine users often try cocaine to increase productivity at work and in other areas of their lives so that they can work longer and harder. While these results may seem promising in the beginning, increased tolerance and dangerous life choices often follow repeated cocaine use." here is the website http://www.cocaine-effects.com/ |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 21 2006, 06:02 AM Post #15 |
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I'll have to look into cocaine, there's a few questions I have about it now with that new evidence. |
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| jackymatic | Jan 21 2006, 08:14 PM Post #16 |
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glad to help
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| marcus | Jan 22 2006, 09:08 PM Post #17 |
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No you don't get addicted after one dose But it makes you feel good. So you go back for more...and you feel good again. And very slowly, the body changes. And you don't even know it's happening. And then BAM, you're addicted. |
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| jackymatic | Jan 23 2006, 01:23 AM Post #18 |
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lol read the website bub
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 23 2006, 02:11 AM Post #19 |
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I think basically what marcus said was what the website was alluding to. I can't be bothered to read the website, but that's probably a reason why people continue to take cocaine and eventually become chemically addicted. Anyway; GAY MARRIAGE. I've a;ready had my say, people should start to talk about it rather then drugs. |
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| jackymatic | Jan 23 2006, 06:00 AM Post #20 |
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yea ok gay marriage = no why ? i have my reasons thats that |
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| Cybrus | Jan 23 2006, 06:19 AM Post #21 |
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Care to discuss those reasons? We are on a discussion forum, after all. And it's not like someone is going to flame you for you expressing your opinion. Not here, at least. |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 23 2006, 06:42 AM Post #22 |
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If he talks any crap about gay people not being worthy of it or bringing down there'll be some flaming. |
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| marcus | Jan 23 2006, 10:22 AM Post #23 |
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Georg Hackenschmidt > You
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Personally I'm against gay marriage. And I don't know why. I have no problem with people being gay, if they want to be then that's fine by me. There's just something about the notion of two gay people getting married that I'm just uncomfortable with, probably more religously than morally motivated. |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 23 2006, 10:39 AM Post #24 |
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Care to explain your level of religious involvment? |
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| Cybrus | Jan 23 2006, 08:43 PM Post #25 |
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Well the concept of marriage and the word "marriage" are both creations of religion. If it were called something else entirely, would you still be uncomfortable? Say gay partners got all the same benefits that straight married couples got, but they didn't call their civil union a "marriage"? |
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| jackymatic | Jan 24 2006, 04:37 AM Post #26 |
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thats good but I dont really want to express myself at least in a forum I could only express myself fully in person sorry but thats how i am |
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| Cybrus | Jan 24 2006, 07:26 AM Post #27 |
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Now why on earth would you join and post on a discussion forum if you have no intentions of sharing or discussing your opinion?
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| Kraul | Jan 24 2006, 09:04 AM Post #28 |
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I have to agree with Cybrus. It seems kind of odd to join a discussion forum only to not want to discuss your opinion.
Do you even know why you believe what you believe? |
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| Nubochanozep | Jan 24 2006, 11:44 AM Post #29 |
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Do you know why you don't support the idea of gay marriage besides the phrase "it's a religious thing"? I ain't accusing you of lying, I just want better reasons. And the reason for Jackymatic's crappy response could be due to the fact that he's another one of the blind gay marriage haters who dislike the idea, for no reason at all. |
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| jackymatic | Jan 25 2006, 12:15 AM Post #30 |
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BLIND HATER? hahaha sorry no nebba quite wrong I have a reason for why i dont support gay marriage first off in the elections both kerry and bush didnt support gay marriage For me it is against my religion im christian and even if your catholic or any other protestant religion gay marriage is simply not allowed it was adam and eve not adam and paul or steve lol but thats my opinion due to my religion :angel2: |
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