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Topic Started: Feb 11 2006, 01:17 AM (74,349 Views)
MY85
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Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Simpsons, it never bores me, but the only thing that ticks me off a bit is the growth factor. Other than that, I still enjoy the show, even if it's an old episode.
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Nubochanozep
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Jan 15 2007, 02:52 PM
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Simpsons, it never bores me, but the only thing that ticks me off a bit is the growth factor. Other than that, I still enjoy the show, even if it's an old episode.

Ok, fine, I'm just saying that the reason why they've never aged is to keep the show, "timeless" To take it out of real world context and to have it serve as an indicator. The same goes for all animated shows, it's one of the greatest strengths of animation.

Perhaps it would be interesting to have them age a bit and see how it goes. A little like the new coke experiment or something.
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When I watched this I was in awe, becasue it's the same damn plot that happens every 3 episodes! Homer does something stupid and Marge is angry with him. In the end they stay together while barely intentertaining me between the beginning and end.


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Oh please. Yes, this is a valid critisism if the entire episode is taken up by these sorts of plot, but in this case it wasn't. The bulk of the episode was devoted to Homer's ice cream plot, which wasn't exactly brilliant, but it still provided 15 minutes of the entertainment in a 20 minute episode. Get what I'm saying?


Oh please! How is the Ice Cream plot any different from when he bought that Ambulance car, or when he bought the RV, all of which got Marge pissed with the same old reaction and same old ending.


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At least Family Guy has characters that develop. Stewie and Chris has grown more than Bart or Maggie ever WILL.

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Anyone who critisises The Simpsons for lack of character development is sure as hell looking for reasons to attempt to tear it to pieces, especially when they even bother to mention a baby...WHO CAN'T TALK! Bart? He's grown. A recent episode, The Haw-Hawed couple showed Bart befriending Nelson, and he showed a lot more life like characteristics and depth than any Family Guy episode will ever do. He evaluated both sides of his situation, he make decisions based on these things, he hid things from Nelson to keep him at bay, he showed ambiguity and just all around acted much more like a human in a real situation than any Family Guy character will.


Didn't that exact same episode happen before with Lisa? The only difference is that she was attracted to Nelson and Bart wasn't really all that in to Nelson. And I can think of episodes of Family Guy like The Clevelend Lorretta Quagmire where both Cleveland and Quagmire made mistakes and something that actually impacted the Family Guy timeline happened, Cleveland divorced his wife after she cheated on him with his friend Quagmire, which is actually more like a human in a real situation.

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What, Chris? What does he do that's better than that? Stewie? It's the same fucking joke every time. Jesus Christ.


Stewie's more than the sadistic baby he was in 1999. Yes, he's the same age, but he's more compasionate and more reasonable as well. And Chris has had sitations where his character was evolved. He isn't the same kid that only wanted what his father wanted. He doesn't escape his problems through any means (minus the monkey) anymore, and he faces them head on.
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Oh please! How is the Ice Cream plot any different from when he bought that Ambulance car, or when he bought the RV, all of which got Marge pissed with the same old reaction and same old ending.


And how is that episode where Stewie tried to kill Lois any different to that other episode where he tried to kill Lois, or that other one, or that other one, or that other one, or that other one. Yes, you could argue that having Homer and Marge constantly fighting and constantly making up gets a bit repetitive, it does, I never said it didn't. Instead of automatically saying that these episodes are crappy for that reason and that reason only, I suggest that you look elsewhere in those episodes and judging those parts as well, you might be presently surprised. The RV and ambulance episodes are both episodes I'm not a huge fan of, but by that some token, the episode where Homer gets superfat is very similar to the episode where Bart gets superfat. How? They both become fat, but beyond that there are very little similarities between the plots. What I'm saying is, that beyond the shallow critique of these episodes, with people holding superficial plots against the episodes (none of the ones you listed were that great anyway), there could very well be a lot of neat stuff underneath. The two fat episodes (King Sized Homer (S7) and The Heartbroke kid (S16)) are evidence to support that idea.

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Didn't that exact same episode happen before with Lisa? The only difference is that she was attracted to Nelson and Bart wasn't really all that in to Nelson.


I just went over this above, but I will highlight this quote to point out once again, that you seem to be searching to reasons. The episodes are identical to you because they...share a character? Come on...

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And I can think of episodes of Family Guy like The Clevelend Lorretta Quagmire where both Cleveland and Quagmire made mistakes and something that actually impacted the Family Guy timeline happened, Cleveland divorced his wife after she cheated on him with his friend Quagmire, which is actually more like a human in a real situation.


And I can think of Simpsons episodes that have done that type of thing too (not that I was that happy with these things...some of them). Milhouses parents were divorced and recently got back together, Apu got married and had kids, Ned's wife died and he nearly got remarried, Selma got a baby from China and Patty came out of the closet. Need I go on?

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Stewie's more than the sadistic baby he was in 1999. Yes, he's the same age, but he's more compasionate and more reasonable as well. And Chris has had sitations where his character was evolved. He isn't the same kid that only wanted what his father wanted. He doesn't escape his problems through any means (minus the monkey) anymore, and he faces them head on.


Whoa, look out. That's some champion character development there. It's kinda sad that one episode of The Simpsons has more character development than the entire series of Family Guy.

I'd also like to point out that these ideas that Family Guy is somehow mature are a bit of a misnomer. Yes, they are rude but do rude jokes really beg maturity? No, not all the time. Yes, Peter referencing a blowjob is rude, but character driven humour (for instance, feeble weak Burns and the continuing references to it) demand a lot more attention, thought and memory than any of the so called mature jokes of Family Guy demand. Now really, which is the more mature show?
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TheObserver

Maybe we should make a seperate thread title Simpsons vs Family Guy and just add all what was said on there and have anyone with an opinion on it to put it there.

Just a thought.
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Fine, but you can be the one to try and split this topic, the one with over 10,000 replies :P

It took me like, 15 minutes to load up the page back when it was at about 5000 replies.
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J.J.S.

This discussion reminds me of the time when I did something that is completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Let's cut to a flashback. And then maybe another one in five minutes.
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Exactly. Hey J.J.S, remember that time I pooped my pants?

*Neb poops his pants*

ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
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TheObserver

Dammit Neb, nevermind. :(

:P
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Ashy Shaq
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And how is that episode where Stewie tried to kill Lois any different to that other episode where he tried to kill Lois, or that other one, or that other one, or that other one, or that other one. Yes, you could argue that having Homer and Marge constantly fighting and constantly making up gets a bit repetitive, it does, I never said it didn't. Instead of automatically saying that these episodes are crappy for that reason and that reason only, I suggest that you look elsewhere in those episodes and judging those parts as well, you might be presently surprised. The RV and ambulance episodes are both episodes I'm not a huge fan of, but by that some token, the episode where Homer gets superfat is very similar to the episode where Bart gets superfat. How? They both become fat, but beyond that there are very little similarities between the plots. What I'm saying is, that beyond the shallow critique of these episodes, with people holding superficial plots against the episodes (none of the ones you listed were that great anyway), there could very well be a lot of neat stuff underneath. The two fat episodes (King Sized Homer (S7) and The Heartbroke kid (S16)) are evidence to support that idea.

I'll have to rewatch those episodes tomrrow so that I can back up my point.


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I just went over this above, but I will highlight this quote to point out once again, that you seem to be searching to reasons. The episodes are identical to you because they...share a character? Come on...


These episodes are just the exact opposites of each other. I think that's a sign that the show is reaching when you filp an episodes from 10 years ago.

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And I can think of Simpsons episodes that have done that type of thing too (not that I was that happy with these things...some of them). Milhouses parents were divorced and recently got back together, Apu got married and had kids, Ned's wife died and he nearly got remarried, Selma got a baby from China and Patty came out of the closet. Need I go on?


All true, I have no counter argument for that except that Patty went on a double date with her sister and two GUYS a season after the episode where she "Came out of the Closet".

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Whoa, look out. That's some champion character development there. It's kinda sad that one episode of The Simpsons has more character development than the entire series of Family Guy.

What character development has The Simpsons had? Is adapting to a new generation character developent. So Bart isn't the same badass kid he was in 1990 because he does something 2006ish? Spare me

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I'd also like to point out that these ideas that Family Guy is somehow mature are a bit of a misnomer. Yes, they are rude but do rude jokes really beg maturity? No, not all the time. Yes, Peter referencing a blowjob is rude, but character driven humour (for instance, feeble weak Burns and the continuing references to it) demand a lot more attention, thought and memory than any of the so called mature jokes of Family Guy demand. Now really, which is the more mature show?


No one's talking about maturity, we're talking about comedy. If I want comedy with a little bit of social and celebrity humor, I go to Family Guy. If I want charaters with less development that porno characters with humor from the 90's and a bunch of celebrity guest spots that's only being picked up because FOX wants a show to go to 20 seasons, I go to The Simpsons.
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hmmm... Would it be safe to say that The Simpsons is the Seinfeld of Animated Comedy Series?

Or has that statement already been said?
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These episodes are just the exact opposites of each other. I think that's a sign that the show is reaching when you filp an episodes from 10 years ago.


One could say the same about The Simpsons about two seasons into its run though. By that time, Homer had met his brother twice, Patty & Selma had had their roles reversed, the show had gone from Bart-centric to Homer-centric, and Sideshow Bob had been seen as both polar-evil and polar-good. My point being that you either think that your above points don't really have much weight, or that the show's been shit the whole way through, and I don't think anyone but the most vehement bible basher will support you on that idea.

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All true, I have no counter argument for that except that Patty went on a double date with her sister and two GUYS a season after the episode where she "Came out of the Closet".


Didn't see that episode. If it did happen, you can bet that I would have been a little annoyed about such a continuity error as well.

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What character development has The Simpsons had? Is adapting to a new generation character developent. So Bart isn't the same badass kid he was in 1990 because he does something 2006ish? Spare me


I went over this type of thing in that thread in Entertainment & Sports named "Dear Neb", albeit not focusing on Bart, but instead on Lisa and Homer. Instead of asking that question though, as I know I'll never be able to convince you of something you so desperately don't want to believe (even though I did go through one episode before), I'll ask you how Family Guy has had better character development, seeing as we are comparing the two shows for whatever reason.

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No one's talking about maturity, we're talking about comedy. If I want comedy with a little bit of social and celebrity humor, I go to Family Guy. If I want charaters with less development that porno characters with humor from the 90's and a bunch of celebrity guest spots that's only being picked up because FOX wants a show to go to 20 seasons, I go to The Simpsons.


No, but I brought it up to try to prevent anyone from bringing this downright moronic card into play in the first place. The celebrity thing? Disproven elsewhere on account of

a) Celebrity voicerovers are declining from season to season

b) When they are used, the affect on quality is NON EXISTANT. No-one in the world can name me more than about three guest stars per season that have absolutely stunk up an episode...unless they're season 10-12 episodes which had a lot of these problems. I can't take your character development comment seriously, as you haven't backed it up and you've constantly avoided answering the questions about it since it was brought up (whereas in all posts but this one, I've confronted the issue, and I avoided it here for said reasons long with laziness).
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MY85
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Hey Neb, what do you think about that Spmsons episode that included Tony Hawk? It was over-hyped here in South America, but in the end, it seemed quite regular to me. I think it was the hyped 300th episode.
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Yeah, it was ok I suppose. I can't remember too much being special about it, it was great, but it wasn't superb. The conflict between Homer and Bart didn't seem too contrived, and I felt that it might have been at the time. My favourite episodes you ask?

1. Cape Feare (s5)
2. Duffless (s4)
3. Rosebud (s5)
4. Summer of 4 ft. 2 (s7)
5. Bart Gets an Elephant (s5)

They change from time to time of course.
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You know what? I'm just gonna drop it. I won't convince you that Family Guy is good and you won't convince me that The Simpsons post-2000 was any good. Yes, I did like the early Simpsons, and I'll even see the movie, but when the show looks the same way for 7 years, I think that it's time that that writers hang it up. And I'm through.
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Difference is that it's pretty obvious that I'm basing what I'm saying in fact, whereas you're basing what you're saying in misguided beliefs. I recognise the decline in quality, but for totally different reasons than you. expositionary dialogue, pacing obstructions, hokey dialogue, explanations of jokes are all reasons for The Simpsons not being as good as it once was. Is the show still good? You bet it is. Is it better than Family Guy? You betcha. On your final line...

Ashy Shaq
 
but when the show looks the same way for 7 years, I think that it's time that that writers hang it up. And I'm through.


The irony is delicious, considering that Family Guy is universally panned for being repetitive.
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Jan 14 2007, 11:59 PM
Difference is that it's pretty obvious that I'm basing what I'm saying in fact, whereas you're basing what you're saying in misguided beliefs. I recognise the decline in quality, but for totally different reasons than you. expositionary dialogue, pacing obstructions, hokey dialogue, explanations of jokes are all reasons for The Simpsons not being as good as it once was. Is the show still good? You bet it is. Is it better than Family Guy? You betcha. On your final line...

Ashy Shaq
 
but when the show looks the same way for 7 years, I think that it's time that that writers hang it up. And I'm through.


The irony is delicious, considering that Family Guy is universally panned for being repetitive.

God your repetivie, but whatever. I'm tired.

So:

Family Guy=The Simpsons.

And on another note:
http://www.youtube.com/cthru?fGFu6GZWKJVfF...b9OQyGidLeu9zo=
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Ashy Shaq
Jan 15 2007, 04:05 PM
God your repetivie, but whatever. I'm tired.

:lol:
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TheObserver

Both can have arguments for why people choose one over the other.

That is all I'm saying on this battle of the shows.

So no provoking....












































Neb. :P
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Nubochanozep
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Hey man, he started this one, I just jumped on the bandwagon as it took off out of control down the street.
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Jan 15 2007, 12:06 AM
Ashy Shaq
Jan 15 2007, 04:05 PM
God your repetivie, but whatever. I'm tired.

:lol:

:busy:
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Jan 15 2007, 05:09 AM
Hey man, he started this one, I just jumped on the bandwagon as it took off out of control down the street.

Ha ha, I know, it's just funny to see a heated argument over the two. :lol:
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MY85
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Jan 15 2007, 12:11 AM
Nebuchanezzar
Jan 15 2007, 05:09 AM
Hey man, he started this one, I just jumped on the bandwagon as it took off out of control down the street.

Ha ha, I know, it's just funny to see a heated argument over the two. :lol:

Neb can turn anything into a bitchfest if he wants to.
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I'm actually amazed something like this has never happened.

I've seen quite a few little Family Guy vs. Simpsons skirmishes, but never a full-blown debate. I would have expected it a lot earlier, but it never materialized, for some reason...
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Switching gears, or trying to.

Hope everyone weekend was good, I went out with a group of friends to DC cause it was my buddies B-day.

Before the night was over, everyone was pretty much fighting, guess that's what happens when you have a big ass groups together.

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RE: SRP. It didn't? :P
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Jan 15 2007, 01:16 AM
Before the night was over, everyone was pretty much fighting, guess that's what happens when you have a big ass groups together.

Any party that doesn't end up with someone getting stabbed is a good party.

And, no, Neb, I haven't seen any real drawn-out battles over the subject; just 3 or 4 posts back and forth.
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TheObserver

You and I know Neb loves a good debate.
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Speaking of gears, my car is the biggest hunk of crap ever. Now whenever I slow down in second gear, it makes an alwful grinding noise. Not the standard grinding noise that you hear when you let the clutch out too early, but a very weird one. Go find a pedestal fan or something and stick a piece of paper in between the blades while it's on (don't blame me if you get cut open or electrocuted), and it sounds identical to that, albeit a bit lower in pitch.
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I couldn't leave yet, why?
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