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Topic Started: Sep 14 2006, 06:24 PM (327 Views)
Purple Marauder
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Stand Back! There's a Hurricane Coming Through
I have no real place to ask this so I'll do it here. Why isn't every ECW World title match an Extreme rules match? That is the premise of ECW right? Doesn't it seem like the title should be defended that way all the time? Am I alone on this one?
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L69
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I'm with you dude. I thought ECW was supposed to be raw hardcore but instad it is some crap wwe rules.
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TheObserver

They should take something like that into consideration, but I am still wondering how much actual "power" was given back to Heyman.

Well here are the latest ratings which seemed to have dropped.

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The rating for ECW's latest show is in and it's a disappointing one with a 1.9 cable rating from a three share. Last week's show which featured D-X in the main event, was a 2.1 rating.


Maybe they should take a different approach, and start adding extreme rules to the rest of the main event matches but maybe it's just this week so we'll see.
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Cybrus
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Wade Keller from the PW Torch wrote this brief article about the "Extreme Rules" matches:

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There have been a number of people upset with WWE labelling some ECW matches "Extreme Rules" matches and others regular rules matches. After all, ECW was built entirely around the no rules match format.

That was one of the changes WWE made that I think made sense. Bill Watts, when he became WCW V.P. a dozen plus years ago, pulled the mats up from ringside and banned moves off the top rope. He thought the padding looked too slick (and he argued that ankles could be hurt landing on the unstable surface) and he wanted a grittier look than the WWF at the time. That change was met with mostly a shrug by most fans. His no top rope rule, though, was decried as an example that he was living in the past. Top rope moves had become a huge part of wrestling. "Flyin'" Brian Pillman flying off the second rope just didn't feel right.

His rationale was that if it were illegal, then when it was done, it would seem special. But for it to be done, it would have to be when the ref wasn't looking, and that meant mostly heels had to be the cheaters who went to the top rope. But it was babyfaces who were known as high flyers, and he was taking away a major trait of the emerging cruiserweights. Watts's decision was a mistake for that time period. There were other ways for heels to cheat that didn't involve setting WCW's in-ring style back ten years.

WWE's decision to institute "Extreme Rules" matches only some of the time, under special circumstances, is not the same as Watts banning top rope moves. By banning weapons and enforcing ref five counts (cue Bryan Danielson) and ringside ten counts in some matches, it does make it feel more special when the rules are set aside. It also is sending a message to the core ECW wrestlers that they have to be able to have a good match without the crutch of swinging cookie sheets and chairs (so expect every Tommy Dreamer match to be "Extreme Rules").

Last night, when MP3 encoding a 45 minute interview I conducted with Mick Foley back in 1992 on my KFAN radio show (it will be posted online for VIP members next week), I was reminded that Mick Foley - at least back then - agrees with the rationale of making "Extreme Rules" matches the exception, not the rule.

"When there are no rules in wrestling," he told me, "there's no thrill in breaking them."

He said it well. Several years into ECW's original run, I grew numb to Dreamer's cookie sheet shots and Balls Mahoney chairshots. It didn't feel like anyone was breaking any rules or rebelling against authority because the hapless ECW refs would stand there and watch it happen. Now, when those moves are legal in a match, it feels like recess did when you were a kid - a chance to let loose from the strict rules of the classroom indoors.

Vince McMahon has screwed up a lot about ECW since relaunching it earlier this summer, but this is one thing he got right. I know not all ECW fans agree, but if Vince is hoping ECW lasts a long time, it will pay off years from now when ECW faithful haven't become as numb as I did - and many others did - to the anything goes approach. As long as "Extreme Rules" matches don't become scarce, and there's at least one a week on TV in some form, ECW can stand out. Meanwhile, it gives heels something to complain and whine about when a match they are booked in is proclaimed "Extreme Rules."


I doubt that'll change anyone's view, but at least it's an attempt at rationalizing the sitution.
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Purple Marauder
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It also shows the misconception of what ECW was. Sure they would use the ocasional weapon, but mostly, they wrestled. Using a chair was no big deal, but it also didn't happen as much as the WWE wants you to think it did. In the eraly days of ECW it was about blood and violence, but in its prime, ECW was about great in ring action, not just Tables and chairs and tacks.
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TheObserver

Most definite, that's what I think seperated them from other promotions at the time, till of course the Monday Night Wars came ahead and the attitude era started, but if you watch the ECW rise and fall dvd, Vince even makes reference to that they took some of ECW's concepts and made it their own.

Billion dollar companines were coming to destroy ECW when they were doing things that back then that are standardized around the wrestling world now IMO.
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I commented on the lack of no-rules matches on some other thread.

I played along with ALOCFWWE calling itself "ECW" back when it first started, and was actually trying to act like ECW, rather than just taking the name.

Now, all I see is no ECW elements on the show, and the supposedly "against sports'entertainment" announcers shilling for RAW events!

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy ALOCFWWE to a point, but they need to stop using the "ECW" name, if they aren't going to use any of the "ECW" elements.

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i thik its not hardeocre rules cause basically it is a new breed unleashed and also i do not think vince wants the same matches evry week and i mean some of the ecw stars are getting old and crap like that. but i would love to see classic ecw rules matches in world title matches lol
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