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Vince McMahon wants you!
Topic Started: Oct 29 2006, 09:41 AM (480 Views)
Nubochanozep
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To ask him a question. That's right! Ignore the boundaries of realism and pretend that someone named Vince McMahon who happens to be the chairman of the WWE is sitting in this very forum and wants YOU to ask him a question (or more).

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McMahon,

How can you justify the constant boss v employee storylines that have been dragged through the mud since 1996? We've seen them before, and we once loved them but enough is enough. The latest DX revival is proof enough that a boss v employee storyline, whilst mildly entertaining is nothing new and won't captivate audiences like it did with the nWo or DX.
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Why have you stopped listening to the fans? You seem more willing to force your opinion down the fans throats until they accept it than you are to simply admit you were wrong and are willing to change. You are continually doing things to pad the final numbers such as adding more PPVs and upping the price of each PPV, but the fact is less people are paying money to see your product. Wouldn't it be a better business move to give the fans what they want instead of pushing something until the fans give up and finally accept it?
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Why do you tend to put more effort into the Raw brand instead of SD or ECW? With constant appearances by yourself and more of the household name superstars like Cena and Triple H, it seems as if SD and ECW are nothing but vacant.
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Just on that last one by Lionheart, hasn't RAW always been seen, and reaches a larger audience than either of the other shows?
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Hi Vince, it's so nice to meet you. You look sexier in person. I'm going to ask you the same thing the rest want to know. Why are you having WWE get so boring and repetitive lately?

What? No, Vince please. Don't...don't crush me with your wallet, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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MY85
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*Why not a PPV on my country, Vince?

*Why did you allowed to modify the rules regarding the Drug Policy so people like Randy Orton wouldn't get fired?

*Why do you think that Randy Orton and John Cena are the future of the WWE?

*Why don't you realize that if you make Smackdown your flagship show, it would be much more succesful and more entertaining than Raw?

*What made you think of the incest angle idea?

*Why don't you let ECW go as the way it should be?
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*Why don't you realize that if you make Smackdown your flagship show, it would be much more succesful and more entertaining than Raw?


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Why did you bury SD!? Why do you steal SD! talent and bring them to Raw?
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Larry David
Oct 30 2006, 12:33 AM
Just on that last one by Lionheart, hasn't RAW always been seen, and reaches a larger audience than either of the other shows?

Smackdown started off with rival ratings to Raw. But quickly fell over the years.
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Larry David
Oct 30 2006, 02:06 AM
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*Why don't you realize that if you make Smackdown your flagship show, it would be much more succesful and more entertaining than Raw?


Justify

No kidding. It's like me saying if Smackdown were the flagship show, wrestling would die without any reasoning at all.
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Smackdown's ratings were always about 2 million below RAW's ratings back in the day where it started. Yeah, 5 million to 7 million represents a much smaller difference than 4 million to 2 million but there was still a massive difference between the shows when they started out.
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Oct 30 2006, 03:56 PM
Larry David
Oct 30 2006, 02:06 AM
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*Why don't you realize that if you make Smackdown your flagship show, it would be much more succesful and more entertaining than Raw?


Justify

No kidding. It's like me saying if Smackdown were the flagship show, wrestling would die without any reasoning at all.

*cough* Raw mark.

Larry, I will explain you "somehow" the reason of this question. I think you said you don't watch much wrestling as you do, but if you get to see Raw and Smackdown more often lately, then it wouldn't be needed to explain the reason of my question.

Well... what does a person see on Raw? Matches, yes. Drama and soap opera material? Yes. Divas (the ones that can't wrestle) wasting time? Yes. DX and Cena clogging up the air on Raw they way they do (DX with pointless segments thatn were once fun, now stale; Cena clings too much on the Main Event time)? Yes.

What does a person see on Smackdown? Matches, you got them. The Divas and Miz waste some valuable time on SD, they do, but at least, they're properly used or developed. Most wrestlers that belong to the Smackdown roster are used in a better way than how the wrestlers on the Raw roster are being used.

Also, Vince pushes way too much the Raw brand and doesn't apparently seem to care that much about Smackdown and ECW since Raw is the show that's giving them their ratings.

But what if we change Smackdown to another timeslot? Because not much WWE fans risk their Friday night to stay at home and watch the show. But people manage to see Raw becuase it happens to air on Monday and it's been claimed as "the flagship brand" and that has the best superstars.

What if Smackdown was changed to Monday and got the same promotion as Raw? It would be feasible to see Smackdown getting more ratings and probably entertaining more people on Monday nights rather than Raw. Unlike John Cena as the WWE Champion, King Booker with the WHC isn't boring.

Would people tune in to see action or just soap opera segments with some bits of action and some females wearing lingerie in a ring?

Or if Smackdown and Raw swapped timeslots and channels, maybe Smackdown would get better ratings than Raw. And I really wanted Cena on Smackdown so he could go back to what he was and bring more ratings to Smackdown.

Maybe it's just my feeling of me wanting Smackdown to be the better brand seeing what they can offer, but I get the feeling at times that if ECW went back to what it used to stand for in the past and if Vince really cared about Smackdown, both shows could go ending much better than Raw... but that might not happen, since Raw is in Vince's eyes, his baby. No wonder why Smackdown Superstars got moved to Raw at one time. The 2005 lottery draft gave Raw more benefit than Smackdown, but that may be just my opinion.
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What if, what if, what if. What if who gives a crap. That's a massive gamble you're asking to do all these lovely little things to put the blue brand over the red brand. Is it worth it? I highly doubt it.

You know, so what if you don't see half an hour long matches on RAW that have every move under the sun. The casual fan, which makes up a massive proportion (the majority) of the wrestling industry's fanbase doesn't give a crap about that. Remember the Benoit v Regal match, or whatever it was that was on Velocity a few years back? Yeah, we all heard about it and watched it, but go and ask Joe Jackass about it and he'll have no clue as to what you're talking about, nor will he care. The average fan doesn't watch wrestling to see sweaty men hug each other for a half hour, they watch it to see the explosive short matches, the captivating interlocking storylines and the T&A. Like it or lump it, the attitude era as a time that was characterised by the exact type of product I listed above was the most succesful period of wrestling ever and it was not defined by hour long matches with half assed characters that we see on Smackdown.

I also fail to see how the wrestlers on Smackdown are more developed then their counterparts on RAW. If anything, the inverse is true. You've got ancient wrestlers like HBK, HHH and dare I say it John Cena (who has a long way to go, as I mentioned in my other post) compared to Booker T, Finlay and Regal. Yeah, people like you and me recognise that the Smackdown brand has good talent but no Joe Dumbass is going to give a crap about King Booker, as seen by the abysmal ratings we see on Smackdown today.

What could you do to improve it? You seem to think that we should invest copius amounts of money in making Smackdown the better show when RAW clearly has the better hand and the better opportunity to make more money for the WWE. Sure, it has rotten eggs like Cena but it sure as hell appeals to the casual fan base more than Smackdown. If RAW is what the casual fan wants (go to TV.com and ask a casual assface which one they like better), then why the hell should the WWE change both brands to suit a minority like myself and you? I stopped watching wrestling because it got boring (not that it makes my opinion any less valid), but I sure as hell realise why it was boring to me. I'm inversely proportional to the other type of fan. As I go down, 10 other casual fans will come in. Yes, if we can have another Austin then it's all the better, but curently I don't see why we should change Smackdown to suit the minority view. It would be a huge gamble that's not likely to take off.

And I doubt that the WWE has much of a say in their timeslot. If they did, why would they be in it?
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Larry David
Oct 31 2006, 02:28 AM
as seen by the abysmal ratings we see on Smackdown today.

SD! isn't getting abysmal ratings. SD! gets a rating in the neighborhood 2.3-2.7 while Raw gets in the neighborhood of 3.3-3.8 which is only about a difference of a million people. That's not exactly abysmal, especially considering SD! airs in the US during a time when most people over the age of 13 would rather go out than sit at home watching TV.
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Larry David
Oct 31 2006, 07:28 AM
as seen by the abysmal ratings we see on Smackdown today.


SD! isnt getting abysmal ratings, its actually doing pretty good in ratings.
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No, it's not doing good. Until a few weeks ago (I suppose), it was getting less than half of the ratings that RAW gets. It has improved, I don't know why. Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why that happened. Anyway, what does this prove? I don't know yet, I'll have to wait until I find out why they've improved.

Anyway, if you're going to respond at least do more than pick out one sentence or paragraph in my post to respond to. Unless you agree with everything else...
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Larry David
Nov 1 2006, 03:15 AM
No, it's not doing good. Until a few weeks ago (I suppose), it was getting less than half of the ratings that RAW gets. It has improved, I don't know why.

SD! has always gotten ratings in the neighborhood of 2.3-2.7. The only time it dipped down low was during the last few weeks of UPN's existence when it wasn't shown in even half the country. During that time it was getting abysmal ratings of 1.somthing, but that was just due to the circumstances.

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Anyway, if you're going to respond at least do more than pick out one sentence or paragraph in my post to respond to.

Now just who the hell are you to tell me, or anyone else, what to and what not to respond to? I make a response to what I feel I have something to add to. Nothing more, nothing less.
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It shows weakness. If you're going to point out a flaw in an argument, don't focus on the one point and walk away feeling all high and mighty like you've accomplished something. It's a half assed job, and totally not cool. Surely if you wish to add something, you'd do more than skim through a post and pull out the easiest thing to point out that's wrong. Hmmm?

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SD! has always gotten ratings in the neighborhood of 2.3-2.7. The only time it dipped down low was during the last few weeks of UPN's existence when it wasn't shown in even half the country. During that time it was getting abysmal ratings of 1.somthing, but that was just due to the circumstances.


That's still a marked difference to RAW's ratings. They're in the range of about 1/2-2/3's of RAW's audience, on a channel which I've been led to believe hasn't got as big an audience as RAW has. Why on earth would the WWE funnel money into another unproven TV show when it's easier and cheaper to focus on the established brand?
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Larry David
Nov 1 2006, 03:25 AM
It shows weakness. If you're going to point out a flaw in an argument, don't focus on the one point and walk away feeling all high and mighty like you've accomplished something. It's a half assed job, and totally not cool. Surely if you wish to add something, you'd do more than skim through a post and pull out the easiest thing to point out that's wrong. Hmmm?

No. You made an incorrect comment about the ratings. I corrected your comments. That doesn't mean I'm trying come off as if I've accomplished something. It just means I'm giving facts to support my claim that SD! isn't getting abysmal ratings. Me talking about the ratings has nothing to do with your opinion about Raw or MY85's opinion about SD! so I see no reason to add comments about either of those.
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Abysmal is a subjective term based on previous experience. Seeing as how Smackdown was acheiving over 5 million a few years before, I still regard all wrestling ratings as quite abysmal. That could have something to do with the beloved chumpion of RAW, but that's a story for another day.

^Not to be taken 100% seriously!

Fine, fine, you win. I shouldn't have made that comment. It's not lazy, it's personal response preference.
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Moving back to the topic at hand my question to Vince is this. Why don't you practice continuity on your shows, especially RAW? For example, how can you have Kenny dump his Spirit Squad buddies in his upcoming match, and then later on in the show, have those same guys come out with him, without any explanation? It boggles my mind.
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Two more questions I'd ask Vince, if I had the chance to do so:

1. How is it that your creative staff can find ways to use untalented guys such as Miz, Boogeyman, Khali, Heidenreich, and so on, yet talented guys like Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Carlito, the entire CW division, and the alike are given nothing? You give enough hype to the Miz's of the world, but the fans lose interest after they see that they cannot perform in the ring, while guys that can perform in the ring sit in the back most TV nights.

2. What is it/was it about Randy Orton that makes you think he is the future of wrestling? You started calling him that before most fans knew who he was. You've turned the other cheek at things he's done while firing others for much less. You push him over more deserving wrestlers. Why?
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Doesn't, or perhaps didn't, the WWE give chances to everyone to become the best they could be? I mean, Stone Cold became succesful because he improvised so many good lines for his character, same with The Rock. HBK was great because he came off so cocky, and the character was modelled after that. People like Shelton Benjamin who was given a chance with that momma storyline (which propelled him the furthest into the spotlight he's ever been) then fell back straight away. Yeah, Vince does need to give people more chances, but when people like Benjamin constantly fail with those opportunities can Vince really be blamed?

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Larry David
Oct 31 2006, 02:28 AM
What if, what if, what if. What if who gives a crap. That's a massive gamble you're asking to do all these lovely little things to put the blue brand over the red brand. Is it worth it? I highly doubt it.

You know, so what if you don't see half an hour long matches on RAW that have every move under the sun. The casual fan, which makes up a massive proportion (the majority) of the wrestling industry's fanbase doesn't give a crap about that. Remember the Benoit v Regal match, or whatever it was that was on Velocity a few years back? Yeah, we all heard about it and watched it, but go and ask Joe Jackass about it and he'll have no clue as to what you're talking about, nor will he care. The average fan doesn't watch wrestling to see sweaty men hug each other for a half hour, they watch it to see the explosive short matches, the captivating interlocking storylines and the T&A. Like it or lump it, the attitude era as a time that was characterised by the exact type of product I listed above was the most succesful period of wrestling ever and it was not defined by hour long matches with half assed characters that we see on Smackdown.

I also fail to see how the wrestlers on Smackdown are more developed then their counterparts on RAW. If anything, the inverse is true. You've got ancient wrestlers like HBK, HHH and dare I say it John Cena (who has a long way to go, as I mentioned in my other post) compared to Booker T, Finlay and Regal. Yeah, people like you and me recognise that the Smackdown brand has good talent but no Joe Dumbass is going to give a crap about King Booker, as seen by the abysmal ratings we see on Smackdown today.

What could you do to improve it? You seem to think that we should invest copius amounts of money in making Smackdown the better show when RAW clearly has the better hand and the better opportunity to make more money for the WWE. Sure, it has rotten eggs like Cena but it sure as hell appeals to the casual fan base more than Smackdown. If RAW is what the casual fan wants (go to TV.com and ask a casual assface which one they like better), then why the hell should the WWE change both brands to suit a minority like myself and you? I stopped watching wrestling because it got boring (not that it makes my opinion any less valid), but I sure as hell realise why it was boring to me. I'm inversely proportional to the other type of fan. As I go down, 10 other casual fans will come in. Yes, if we can have another Austin then it's all the better, but curently I don't see why we should change Smackdown to suit the minority view. It would be a huge gamble that's not likely to take off.

And I doubt that the WWE has much of a say in their timeslot. If they did, why would they be in it?

AMEN. AFREAKINMEN. I dont think there was a thing I disagree with in that post. Or anything I haven't tried to say. Finally someone with the same vocabulary as the rest of these people tells it like it is. AAAAAAFREEEEEAKINMEN.

Now back to asking Vince. If any of you came face to face with Vince, you would crumble in his presence. And the ONLY question you would ask him is:

Can I have you autograph?
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Nov 2 2006, 03:59 AM
Now back to asking Vince. If any of you came face to face with Vince, you would crumble in his presence. And the ONLY question you would ask him is:

Can I have you autograph?

15shows, i agree with you on that, i bet that would happen if any of these Cena haters,including me, would come up to John Cena and try to insult him, shit i be scared if i said "Cena, you cant wrestle worth shit." or "Cena, you're a little bitch for not turning heel." Would you guys throw a beer bottle at Cena if you saw him walking on the street? Come on guys, you hate him so much why dont you burn his house down.
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No, I wouldn't throw a beer bottle, or even talk to him about it really. I'd just walk on by and not get his autograph. It wouldn't be worth anything to me.

HBK, Vince McMahon and Bret Hart would be completely different. The only one out of those three I haven't seen live is Vince, but let me assure you that if it was going to be anything life the other two I'd be trembling in my boots at the site of these Gods of entertainment. An autograph from them would be worth infinite amounts of cash to me.
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