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Raw Discussion 11-6-06
Topic Started: Nov 6 2006, 10:17 PM (933 Views)
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I don't really have to prove anything. RAW has better ratings so what do I care. Im not trying to debate which is better. I just said I like RAW better. You asked why and I told you. But now my reason is not good enough because according to you guys it's wrong. Well too god damn bad. I like RAW better. So it is better. And you like TNA better so it is better. That's the end of that.

But just to humor you, I'll watch Impact every week from here on out, and deliver a full report of what I liked and didn't like throughout the entire episode.
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Better ratings mean nothing, look at the current time slots.
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Nov 7 2006, 04:37 PM
I don't really have to prove anything. RAW has better ratings so what do I care. Im not trying to debate which is better. I just said I like RAW better. You asked why and I told you. But now my reason is not good enough because according to you guys it's wrong. Well too god damn bad. I like RAW better. So it is better. And you like TNA better so it is better. That's the end of that.

We're not saying that we hate your opinion on RAW. All you're doing is putting over RAW, and throwing out every single thing another brand/Company has done. You've given bad examples of why "TNA Sucks," and they just don't work for me. Unless you have a Super High-Definition TV set in Canada, I don't think what we see on our Television sets could be THAT much different.
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Nov 7 2006, 04:38 PM
Better ratings mean nothing, look at the current time slots.

Umm if RAW moved to the timeslot TNA had it would have better ratings. It's up against the ratings juggernaught, Monday Night Football. I dont think WWE has an advantage via timeslot.
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I'm not talking about MNF. Regardless of MNF. RAW is on a 9pm, and TNA is on at 11pm.
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Nov 7 2006, 04:37 PM
I don't really have to prove anything. RAW has better ratings so what do I care.

Firstly, ratings prove popularity not quality. A few years ago the boy bands of the word were selling the most CDs and dominating the charts. They were popular at the time. They had a strong following. But no one today looks back and says that the boy bands delivered quality or that they were actually good. I'm definitely not comparing WWE to boy bands, but the main point remains the same. Just because WWE is more popular than TNA doesn't necessarily make it the better show.

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Im not trying to debate which is better. I just said I like RAW better. You asked why and I told you. But now my reason is not good enough because according to you guys it's wrong. Well too god damn bad. I like RAW better. So it is better. And you like TNA better so it is better. That's the end of that.

So for all these weeks whenever someone pointed out reasons they didn't like Raw, then it was fine for you to counter argue. But when you point out something you don't like about TNA (or SD!), then the same people shouldn't counter argue your points? Very odd.
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Nov 7 2006, 04:41 PM
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Nov 7 2006, 04:38 PM
Better ratings mean nothing, look at the current time slots.

Umm if RAW moved to the timeslot TNA had it would have better ratings. It's up against the ratings juggernaught, Monday Night Football. I dont think WWE has an advantage via timeslot.

RAW is an established program, and TNA isn't. Of course, more people will know WWE Programming, than TNA. If TNA was in RAW's timeslot, and was running for over 13 years, I believe it would be getting the same, or even better ratings. As Vince McMahon said on the Monday Night Wars DVD, "The ratings mean nothing."
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Nov 7 2006, 04:40 PM
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Nov 7 2006, 04:37 PM
I don't really have to prove anything. RAW has better ratings so what do I care. Im not trying to debate which is better. I just said I like RAW better. You asked why and I told you. But now my reason is not good enough because according to you guys it's wrong. Well too god damn bad. I like RAW better. So it is better. And you like TNA better so it is better. That's the end of that.

We're not saying that we hate your opinion on RAW. All you're doing is putting over RAW, and throwing out every single thing another brand/Company has done. You've given bad examples of why "TNA Sucks," and they just don't work for me. Unless you have a Super High-Definition TV set in Canada, I don't think what we see on our Television sets could be THAT much different.

I don't think I said TNA sucks. I said I like RAW better. And I told why god dammit. What more do you want. RAW may have more botches but only because it's live. In the 2 TNA PPV's I watched there were plenty of lets say...not so smooth manuevers. And god damn I know Im right about the interference thing.
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Cybrus
Nov 7 2006, 04:42 PM
So for all these weeks whenever someone pointed out reasons they didn't like Raw, then it was fine for you to counter argue. But when you point out something you don't like about TNA (or SD!), then the same people shouldn't counter argue your points? Very odd.

I don't think it was counter arguments as much as me simply saying I liked what they didnt like.
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Nov 7 2006, 04:37 PM
I don't really have to prove anything. RAW has better ratings so what do I care. Im not trying to debate which is better. I just said I like RAW better. You asked why and I told you. But now my reason is not good enough because according to you guys it's wrong. Well too god damn bad. I like RAW better. So it is better. And you like TNA better so it is better. That's the end of that.

We're not saying that we hate your opinion on RAW. All you're doing is putting over RAW, and throwing out every single thing another brand/Company has done. You've given bad examples of why "TNA Sucks," and they just don't work for me. Unless you have a Super High-Definition TV set in Canada, I don't think what we see on our Television sets could be THAT much different.

I don't think I said TNA sucks. I said I like RAW better. And I told why god dammit. What more do you want. RAW may have more botches but only because it's live. In the 2 TNA PPV's I watched there were plenty of lets say...not so smooth manuevers. And god damn I know Im right about the interference thing.

Alright, fine. You don't think TNA sucks. However, you're really doing a great job of putting RAW over! Again, I know it's all perception, but your arguments as to why RAW is better, especially using the ratings as an excuse, is bothering me. If you want to go this way, you can look back 6 years ago, when RAW was getting nearly twice the number they're getting today.
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Nov 7 2006, 04:49 PM
you're really doing a great job of putting RAW over! Again, I know it's all perception, but your arguments as to why RAW is better, especially using the ratings as an excuse.

Why thankyou sweety.

I beleive I said I don't really care after my ratings statement. I never said it was better because of ratings. Im just simply saying, you may like it better but, more people agree with me so HA!
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Nov 7 2006, 01:59 PM
And Smackdown....well....I don't watch it.

Hmmm.... this is funny. Because like everyone else said, you put Raw over any other wrestling show or company. I've seen you claiming that Smackdown is a shitty worthless brand with not much good excuses to back up your statement. And you claim that you don't watch Smackdown. Yet, when people like Junkie and I said we didn't watched much of Raw, you come up with this:

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Nov 7 2006, 12:51 AM
You guys didnt even watch it, so dont say nothin till you do.

That's just funny. Because we don't watch Raw and criticize it, you tell us not to criticize it until we watch it.
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Because we don't watch Raw and criticize it, you tell us not to watch it.


Call me stupid but this confused me.

And I dont think I called Smackdown shitty and worthless. I know I have said RAW is better. Because I think RAW is better. And if I did say Smackdown was worthless and shitty it was when I did watch it. And that was around the time ECW came back. And at the time I thought it was worthless and shitty. I dont know about now and so I wont give an opinion except for that I think RAW is better I can say that if I feel like saying that.

You reveiws on RAW and jumped up and said it was shitty without even watching it. Therefore I told you to watch it first. I though it was a great RAW, with Bishoff reaking havoc as GM. I like when he makes commentators and announcer face big people. It may not be a great wrestling match but, for me, it was good entertainment. Oh and I watched it.
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Nov 7 2006, 10:27 PM
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Because we don't watch Raw and criticize it, you tell us not to watch it.


Call me stupid but this confused me.

My bad. Just in case, I fixed it.

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Nov 7 2006, 10:03 PM

That's just funny. Because we don't watch Raw and criticize it, you tell us not to criticize it until we watch it.


Oh, and since that time you claimed to watch Smackdown around the time ECW returned, I'll agree Raw was better around June and a bit of July. But then, Smackdown has improved in show quality, but the ratings really started to improve once it got aired on the CW due to UPN not airing in other states across the USA. But I'll tell you that things have changed at Smackdown after June-July.
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Well good for Smackdown. But my favorite wrestlers are in order

1. Triple H
2. Edge
3. Carlito
4. Randy Orton
5. Kurt Angle
6. Booker T
7. Kane
8. Shelton Benjamen
9. Test
10. Big Show.

Hmm 2 Smackdown guys. I dont feel the urge to watch it.
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Nov 7 2006, 10:35 PM
Hmm 2 Smackdown guys. I dont feel the urge to watch it.

Then don't watch it if it doesn't appeal to you. No one says you have to. But at the same time, you aren't exactly in a position to say how Raw is superior to SmackDown!

And has anyone else noticed how Raw discussion threads always go off the topic of the relevant week's Raw and move onto a more general wrestling discussion? Every damn week.
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Nov 7 2006, 10:40 PM
And has anyone else noticed how Raw discussion threads always go off the topic of the relevant week's Raw and move onto a more general wrestling discussion? Every damn week.


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Hmm 2 Smackdown guys. I dont feel the urge to watch it.

Then don't watch it if it doesn't appeal to you. No one says you have to. But at the same time, you aren't exactly in a position to say how Raw is superior to SmackDown!

Read my last post homeslice. I think I tried to get back on topic of the current RAW episode.

I won't watch it. And I'll saying what I have been saying all day. I have not said what is better then what for some time now. And If I do I always add, for me, to me, my opinion around that comment.
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Hmm 2 Smackdown guys. I dont feel the urge to watch it.

Then don't watch it if it doesn't appeal to you. No one says you have to. But at the same time, you aren't exactly in a position to say how Raw is superior to SmackDown!

And has anyone else noticed how Raw discussion threads always go off the topic of the relevant week's Raw and move onto a more general wrestling discussion? Every damn week.

Well, there's nothing worth talking about RAW.
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Nov 7 2006, 09:20 PM
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Nov 7 2006, 01:59 PM
TNA's contain some faced pace action and some cool moves, but on the other hand are filled with botches and end with an interference every single time.

You don't watch much TNA do you? I rarely see many botches and the matches rarely end with interference. Only the Jarrett matches did that.

agreed

That's the thing I love about it

The X Division owns the intercontinental division anyday

If only wwe pushed the intercontinental divion to its true untapped potential

oh well
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God, that was awful. Thooughts:

  • Bischoff is still entertaining as GM, but he doesn't have too many good people to play off. Yes, his banter with Coach is at time hilarious, but other than that he's got no real characters to play off. RAW looks to be filled with one dimensional hacks who lack any real direction, or any reason to see them as anything more than mid carders. The reason why McMahon v Austin was succesful was because they were two extremes that meshed extremely well. The reason why Christian and Cena came off so well is because they were two extremes that meshed so well. See the point? Bischoff is fine, but everyone else is a little grey for my liking

  • - Cena seems to have adopted a pseudo-new gimmick, but it still reeks of mediocrity. Yes, he's a marine or something like that now, but he still has the same tendancies he always had - monotony. He came down to rescue the damsel in distress, beat up a few people who ran away. It was fine the first few times, now it's old. And hey, if they're trying to get the hero character of Cena down, FU'ing Todd Grisham was about the biggest disrupter of continuity they could have ever engaged in.

  • - I do like Benjamin playing the black card. It certainly might not seem politically correct to the mainstream, but it does offer a new direction for that character to take after the long drawn out period of nothing following his brilliant momma gimmick.

  • - Has anyone else noticed how...almost sexist JR appears to be? I mean, he must have mentioned that Maria was a helpless woman about 398 times in a half hour. That's too much.

  • - New RAW theme, I like it.

  • - K-Fed can't act for shit, and his pre recorded promo reeked of...pre recordedness. Honestly, lets see some believability that doesn't make sitting through that interview a job to keep yourself from laughing.

I stopped watching before the last half hour, so maybe I missed out on the entertaining parts to the show like DX...if they showed up. Awful - 3/10
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- The Monday Night Football game on ESPN between the Seattle Seahawks and Oakland Raiders was the lowest rated game of the season, scoring an 8.2 rating with 9.95 million viewers. The November 6 Raw scored a 3.7 rating with 4.7 million viewers. Last week's show drew a 3.6.

The highest rated quarter hour was 4.1 at the beginning of the second hour for Umaga-Maria. The over-run with DX making the save in the Flair & Piper vs. Edge & Randy Orton match drew a 4.0 rating. The opening segment in the first hour drew an uncharacteristically high 3.8 rating before dropping to a 3.4 rating for the second quarter hour of the show.


Well, that just neutralized everyone's complaints about the quality of the show being extremely bad. As long as the ratings don't drop, then Vince has no reason to think that his product wasn't good. More of this crap in the future. :td:
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People already knew the outcome of the MNF game, so it's understandable for it's drop in ratings.
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RAW lucked out because of the shitty MNF.
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And now, the Raiders have screwed us all!
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Quite surprising seeing how much Raw sucked tonight. I seriously think this was the worst Raw of the year.
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