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Vince "death" angle to be dropped?
Topic Started: Jun 16 2007, 11:16 PM (928 Views)
Master Rah
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Smackdown last night did a 2.6 rating on the fast nationals, the same as the week before. I expect a lot of shocked people by that one. More people are concerned regarding Monday and if that's not up, that's when you'll see a lot of refiguring.

There was serious talk within WWE yesterday regarding the McMahon angle due to the timing of the death of Sherri Martel. There was a significant push to drop the angle as quickly as possible, citing taste and timing, and another school of thought (that most expect would win out) to keep going.


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Well WWE, this is what you guys get for faking a death. now your in a tight spot with Sherri dieing and must tie in Vince's "death" with Sherri's actual death. I can't wait to see how WWE pulls this off.
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Remember, though, it's a 2.6 without one of their biggest markets, New York. It might not make much of a difference, but if New Yorkers and New Jersians were able to watch, it might have been more of a 2.7 or even a 2.8. We have that kind of influence as one of the largest markets.
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Jun 16 2007, 11:26 PM
Remember, though, it's a 2.6 without one of their biggest markets, New York. It might not make much of a difference, but if New Yorkers and New Jersians were able to watch, it might have been more of a 2.7 or even a 2.8. We have that kind of influence as one of the largest markets.

That's what I was saying on Gamefaqs. All of New York was left in the dark because of Baseball,and all of us in New york are about to watch SmackDown! It's 7:53 right now.
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I hope they're not going to drop the angle because of Sherri Martel's death and them believing it may be in "bad taste" to continue, since one could argue that the angle was in "bad taste" already and a lot of what they do is/was in "bad taste".

I'm not a huge fan of this storyline, but I don't hate it. I would hate it if they just dropped it or tried to rush to the payoff instead of letting it pan out, though.
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How is an angle involving death in bad taste? Where is the logic in dropping an angle because an ex-wrestler INEVITABLY died? People die, it happens quite often, get over it people.
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Jimmy C
Jun 17 2007, 12:58 AM
How is an angle involving death in bad taste? Where is the logic in dropping an angle because an ex-wrestler INEVITABLY died? People die, it happens quite often, get over it people.

I have to agree.
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I think that low ratings will get the angle dropped before someone actually dying will.
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I, as one who once again no longer watches the product, will most probably tune in next week to see what happens in relation to this McMahon thing. If every fan is like me, and I pray to the make believe God that they are, then the ratings will surely spike a little next week on RAW.
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The only thing in bad taste from the angle, I think, is the fact that they used the 10 bell salute to further a storyline. The 10 bell salute has always been a way to show last respects to a fallen wrestler. Using that same 10 bell salute to further a "supposed death" is disrespectful to those that were actually honored with the salute. I think the fact that the fans booed WWE for doing it both on ECW and SD! shows that a lot of fans feel the same way.

I know a lot of people are expecting WWE to screw this angle up, but I think they started it off pretty good. The explosion was definitely a shock factor and presuming Vince to be "dead" isn't that far out of reality. It's how they follow this up that is going to matter.
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I think the ten bell salute has always been a little schmaltzy myself.
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I said it last week, that the one thing they cannot do is the ten bell salute. Then they had it on both ECW and SmackDown! So much for WWE listening to me.

But overall, I guess it's alright. I was much more excited about it in the beginning, because it was totally shocking, but after seeing ECW and SD!, I'll just wait to see how they do it in RAW, the show that'll actually advance the storyline.
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Look at it this way. A normal TV show. One of the cast members famliy member dies. Should they stop a death storyline they just started. NO!
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Jimmy 15
Jun 17 2007, 12:50 AM
Should they stop a death storyline they just started. NO!

Yes they should. Why do you think everybody stopped watching 8 Simple Rules after John Ritter died?
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Ritter actually appeared on 8 Simple Rules, though. Jimmy 15 was asking whether or not it would be in bad taste for a death storyline to continue on another series if one of the actor's family members, who never showed up on the program, died in real life.

As far as I'm concerned they shouldn't drop the angle because of Sherri Martel's death. It's not like she died after her limo exploded. She wasn't even part of the company anymore (I don't think, anyway).
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Jun 17 2007, 08:44 AM
Jimmy 15 was asking whether or not it would be in bad taste for a death storyline to continue on another series if one of the actor's family members, who never showed up on the program, died in real life.

Oh, must have misread it. I guess in that case, there isn't a problem with that. Yeah, somebody really died, but I don't think it's fair to take all that effort they put into the angle and just throw it out like that, for somebody whose only face time in the WWE within the past decade was being inducted in the Hall of Fame. If it was a current star who died, though, *knocks on wood* it would have been right just to drop it.
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They can only screw this angle up is if they decide to drop it right now IMO.
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Oh, must have misread it. I guess in that case, there isn't a problem with that. Yeah, somebody really died, but I don't think it's fair to take all that effort they put into the angle and just throw it out like that, for somebody whose only face time in the WWE within the past decade was being inducted in the Hall of Fame. If it was a current star who died, though, *knocks on wood* it would have been right just to drop it.


No it wouldn't. It would be equally as silly. Death is like, the only thing everyones lives have in common, it's lifes most probable event (how philosophical). It's downright illogical to suggest that a story involving death would have to be cancelled due to, say, a death such as Eddie Guerreros. The timing is bad, yeah, but there's no reason to cancel a storyline like this in the wake of such a potential tragedy. The only reason I can see, is to not offend those who clearly have no concept of what they're being offended by.

I am of course referring to the members of 6SW who have expressed their total shock and emotional horror at the idea of the WWE ever airing a storyline about *gasp* DEATH!
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Well, they'll eventually have to not so much drop it, but explain it away, once Vince is spotted alive and well.

I figure about two months, TOPS. Then, they'll go some other direction. And then the debate over this storyline and Sherri's death will fade out.
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There's a debate?
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Jimmy C
Jun 18 2007, 01:08 AM
There's a debate?

You haven't seen the people speaking out against continuing the angle in light of the death of Sherri?

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I'll have to say that if it were a current superstar who died, it would be right to drop a fake death storyline. It would just be too difficult for too many people.
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Jun 18 2007, 04:13 PM
Jimmy C
Jun 18 2007, 01:08 AM
There's a debate?

You haven't seen the people speaking out against continuing the angle in light of the death of Sherri?

Speaking out for little reason is hardly debate. From what I can see, it's rather blind criticism of the angle. I still see, nor have I been convinced or even seen any evidence to the contrary, no reason for anyone to be offended at this angle.
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Cybrus
Jun 16 2007, 09:47 PM
The only thing in bad taste from the angle, I think, is the fact that they used the 10 bell salute to further a storyline. The 10 bell salute has always been a way to show last respects to a fallen wrestler. Using that same 10 bell salute to further a "supposed death" is disrespectful to those that were actually honored with the salute. I think the fact that the fans booed WWE for doing it both on ECW and SD! shows that a lot of fans feel the same way.

QFT.
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I don't really agree with that either, but I can kinda see where it's coming from.

a) It certainly doesn't prostitute the 10 bell salute in my eyes. Suppose that a wrestler died tommorow, I'd still see the ten bell salute as the farewell from the wwe type thing. this doesn't really change that.

b) It's not as if...someone really thinks that Vince is dead. Everyone knows he isn't, hence it's not really that bad.

Think about it. Has the 10 bell salute really changed that much in your eyes?
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They did the 10-bell for Eddie and Owen, who died when they were active in WWE. A deserved sign of respect.

I thought they could have handled the explosion thing on ECW and Smackdown! as not officially declaring that Vince is dead yet or something like that. Announcing that they're still investigating about his dissapearing and stuff like that. Yes, the limo explosion was a surprise, but I guess when fans boo at it, I guess it could be a sign for WWE to drop this thing.

Doing this angle with Vince is one thing, doing it with an active wrestler would be worse IMO.

Now thanks to this limo thing, I've seen idiots on the Internet believing that Owen and Eddie are still alive.

As for Martel's death, I expect that before the begining of Raw, they'll put a pic saying "In Memory of 'Sensational' Sherri Martel" with her date birth and date of death. They've done that with Mike Awesome, Bam Bam Bigelow and others who died before.
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I've seen idiots on the Internet believing that Owen and Eddie are still alive.


Exactly, they're idiots.
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Jun 18 2007, 06:00 AM
Well, they'll eventually have to not so much drop it, but explain it away, once Vince is spotted alive and well.

I figure about two months, TOPS. Then, they'll go some other direction. And then the debate over this storyline and Sherri's death will fade out.

They should really drop it now then.

Vince was spotted by fans getting in another Limo after Raw.
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On June 11, 2007, WWE aired a segment at the end of RAW that featured McMahon (in character) entering a limousine moments before it exploded. The show went off-air shortly after, and WWE.com reported the angle as though it were a legitimate occurrence, proclaiming that McMahon was "presumed dead."[5] Although this was the fate of the fictional Vince McMahon character, no harm came to the actual person (that is, his death was part of a storyline).[6][7]


STFU WIKIPEDIA!
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Jun 18 2007, 12:57 AM
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Oh, must have misread it. I guess in that case, there isn't a problem with that. Yeah, somebody really died, but I don't think it's fair to take all that effort they put into the angle and just throw it out like that, for somebody whose only face time in the WWE within the past decade was being inducted in the Hall of Fame. If it was a current star who died, though, *knocks on wood* it would have been right just to drop it.


No it wouldn't. It would be equally as silly. Death is like, the only thing everyones lives have in common, it's lifes most probable event (how philosophical). It's downright illogical to suggest that a story involving death would have to be cancelled due to, say, a death such as Eddie Guerreros. The timing is bad, yeah, but there's no reason to cancel a storyline like this in the wake of such a potential tragedy. The only reason I can see, is to not offend those who clearly have no concept of what they're being offended by.

Alright, so say Eddie Guerrero was still alive, but died during this angle. (again, just as an example, since we know what WWE did in the day(s) following the tragedy) WWE is going to have a tribute show for Eddie Guerrero, who is dead, and Vince McMahon, who we know is alive? No way in hell is that plausible. Having Vince possibly share the same airwaves of tribute with someone who is legitimately dead is wrong from a business and personal standpoint. It's not like any fan would even care about something they know is fake anyway, so they would just piss over it if they took time to try to fool two fans that think Vince is really dead.
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To be fair, this is the company that had Randy Orton "kill" the Undertaker with Eddie Guerrero's lowrider; let's not forget the "Eddie's down there - IN HELL!" promo, either. I'm not saying those two things were justified, but if Vince allowed a wrestler's legitimate death to be used to further a storyline, he probably wouldn't drop this angle straight away.
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