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Vince "death" angle to be dropped?
Topic Started: Jun 16 2007, 11:16 PM (930 Views)
Nubochanozep
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Alright, so say Eddie Guerrero was still alive, but died during this angle. (again, just as an example, since we know what WWE did in the day(s) following the tragedy) WWE is going to have a tribute show for Eddie Guerrero, who is dead, and Vince McMahon, who we know is alive? No way in hell is that plausible. Having Vince possibly share the same airwaves of tribute with someone who is legitimately dead is wrong from a business and personal standpoint. It's not like any fan would even care about something they know is fake anyway, so they would just piss over it if they took time to try to fool two fans that think Vince is really dead.


Lol, no, it's not and I don't think you should be making absolute standpoints like that without any logical thought to back it up. Yes, if the WWE was forcing wrestlers to spit on a carboard cut out of Guerrero to show just how much more they care about Vince's death than Guerreros death, THEN that would be wrong. Only then, would someone have any chance of convincing me that they're doing something in bad taste.

Of course, I also point out that you're clutching at straws here, as you're relying on this example that has almost no resemblance to anything happening in the WWE right now.
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Jun 18 2007, 08:21 PM
Of course, I also point out that you're clutching at straws here, as you're relying on this example that has almost no resemblance to anything happening in the WWE right now.

Yeah, because real wrestler hasn't died. But look back at Eddie's death: They had a tribute show. Now look at Vince's death: They had a tribute show. Both have many resemblances in it, such as a ten-bell salute, all the superstars standing on the ramp, the talking remembrance thing, and tribute matches. So if somebody like Edge died during this, they would be having a tribute for Edge, while paying homage to Vince McMahon at the same time. And while they make a big fuss over Vince's "demise," at the same time, they're going to do the same thing over Edge, thus making two different tributes at the same time, for a dead person and someone who is only playing dead. It worked for Sherri because all they had to do was talk about her for a minute, but if a big star dies, they're going to have to dedicate more than a minute of announcers talking to their memory.

I don't think it could get much clearer than that: A real death takes priority of a fake death any day, especially if the fans know that Vince really didn't die.
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Vince had sex with the Undertakers mother, now he can come back from the dead.

Storyline problem sorted.
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Jun 19 2007, 02:40 PM
Vince had sex with the Undertakers mother, now he can come back from the dead.

Storyline problem sorted.

Ha. That is funny. They will have a storyline saying that Undertaker in is the son of VKM!
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PW Torch has posted a pretty good editorial as to why a lot of people are disliking the direction the McMahon angle has taken. I think it is relevant to this conversation, so I'll post it in its entirety.

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A lot of people keep emailing me and posting in the Forum that people shouldn't be outraged, offended, or bothered by the Vince McMahon death storyline because deaths are written into a lot of scripted, fictional entertainment programs.

The problem people have with the storyline isn't that Vince McMahon scripted his own death. Not at all. Again, zero. Zippo. That is not what people are outraged about. Nobody is offended by a death storyline in wrestling. It might be a bad idea because it goes further than typical "suspension of disbelief" allows - and "suspension of disbelief" is a big part of what turns an ordinary wrestling angle or match into a "money match." But it's not in and of itself offensive at all.

What's offensive is that to get the Mr. McMahon Death storyline over, script-breaking, character-breaking shows dedicated to Owen Hart and Eddie Guerrero after they died are being reenacted, emulated, exploited. That is what is wrong. It's beyond insensitive. It's shameful.

Those shows dedicated to Owen and Eddie, and all ten-bell salutes for that matter, are sacred. Or should be. Those genuine moments of announcers looking solemnly at the camera, as if to communicate to fans that this is "different," we're not in storyline mode, are sacred, not to be exploited for ratings. Those genuine ten-bell salutes or the gathering of wrestlers - heels and faces - breaking character and hanging their heads in tribute to a fallen commrade are not to be exploited for ratings. It's just wrong.

If there is no way to pull off a murder storyline in a "believable" serious fashion without exploiting those situations, then just don't do the storyline. There's a reason death hasn't been written in wrestling storylines over the years in any major top programs - because it just can't be pulled off effectively, at least not without insulting the viewers or offending those who really have died.

Asking Vickie Guerrero to stand on the stage with the wrestlers in the same manner and posture for a moment of silence as happened after her husband died is sick. It's wrong. It's inhumane. It lacks basic human decency.

Now ten-bell salutes don't mean a thing because it's been cashed out for a storyline. Nor do wrestlers breaking character and standing on a stage together hanging their heads.

They could have camped up the McMahon Murder Mystery and avoided those scenes. Or they could done a totally straight-faced "Missing Persons Investigation" and accomplished the same thing (at least as it's played out so far) with wrestlers cutting promos, as Mr. Kennedy did, saying, "If they never find Mr. McMahon, or if he never returns, I want to say I dedicate my career to him." Steph could have given the same promo, but instead of mourning the death of her father, she could have been concerned for his safety and worried about where he is and whether he ran off confused and disoriented or if he was kidnapped by someone with evil intentions.

The option they chose, though, is obviously and undeniably not just in "bad taste," but offensive and indecent. Exploiting the emotions generated from the tributes to real wrestler deaths is beyond justification. It's sick. It's sad. It's unjustifiable. What makes it even more sad is how unnecessary it is, too.


Personally, I don't care that they are doing a death angle or a missing person's angle or whatever they are calling it. I hate the fact that they are recreating the Owen and Eddie tribute shows to get the angle over. I don't think I can explain it in detail without basically re-wording the above editorial, so I'll just save the typing and reading. If they didn't do things like have the 10 bell salute, the backstage memorial things, and other things that have been shown as non-storylined genuine displays of emotion from colleges, then I would probably enjoy this storyline. But after watching SD! and seeing how they followed it up on Raw, I think I've pretty much lost all interest in the storyline. It's a shame too, because I was really shocked and excited when the limo blew up last week.
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Jun 19 2007, 09:40 AM
Vince had sex with the Undertakers mother, now he can come back from the dead.


What, so he and Paul Bearer were tag teaming?
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World Wrestling Entertainment's Vince McMahon was among the names announced as being honored with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 2008, The Hollywood Chamber of Commerce Walk of Fame Committee announced today.

McMahon will receive a special ceremony and a permanent star on the Walk of Fame, which runs three and a half miles down the sidewalk of Hollywood Boulevard. The date of the ceremony was not announced.

McMahon will be honored under the Television category, for his contribution to the broadcast television industry. There are five different categories an individual (including fictional characters, like Kermit the Frog and Mickey Mouse) can be honored under, one for each point of the star.

To be honored on the Walk of Fame, the honoree must agree to attend a presentation ceremony within five years of selection. A $25,000 fee must be paid to the Hollywood Historic Trust which oversees the Walk of Fame. The Trust uses the $25,000 towards costs of the star's installment and security at the ceremony, among other related costs.

Expect World Wrestling Entertainment to make a major deal out of the ceremony, including an appearance from "beyond the grave" of the "deceased" McMahon.


So...do you think he will show up for it? :grin:
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It depends when it is. He may be alive again before the ceremony happens anyway, so I wouldn't count against it.
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Vince McMahon will be honored with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 2008, The Hollywood Chamber of Commerce Walk of Fame Committee announced today. Vince McMahon will receive a special ceremony and a permanent star on the Walk of Fame. McMahon will be honored under the Television category, for his contribution to the broadcast television industry. The date of the ceremony was not announced.
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Too bad he's not alive to unveil it :(
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Jun 21 2007, 08:54 PM
Too bad he's not alive to unveil it :(

Pretty sure Taker will revive him by then.
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Yay! He's definatley deserving of it.
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- While the plans for the “Mr. McMahon is dead” angle change on a regular basis. There appears to be division within creative regarding the direction from here on out. Some would like to see the angle dropped altogether in light of Sherri Martel’s recent passing, others want the angle to run into 2008, and another camp is wanting the angle to wrap up next month, possibly on Raw or at the 7/22 Great American Bash PPV.

- Vince McMahon himself was hands on with the 6/18 Raw, but was very frustrated how the show came off.

- It was Vince’s idea to bring back Stephanie McMahon to television, and WWE expected she would get a mixed reaction for her show ending 6/18 Raw promo.

- WWE was convinced the “death” angle was a home run, the company secured the 3 hour Raw for 6/25. Speaking of Raw this week, Steve Austin has been asked to appear, but has yet to commit to doing it.

- The actor playing chief investigator, Daniel Peck, is under the impression he will finish up on Monday.
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Great American Bash is too soon to end it. And 2008 is too long. I'm guessing maybe just before or just after Summerslam would be a good time. The people who don't like the angle because of Sherrie's death just need a good talking to from team RAW(Jimmy's C and 15) and then they wouldn't speak no more.

Daniel Peck, I haven't seen him yet. Only pictures. Is he a good actor? Yes? No?
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They should carry it on to Summer Slam, to really make it this summers storyline.
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John Cena was on Power 106 in Anaheim on Wednesday acting as if he was nervous about the feds on his case for killing Mr. McMahon. He acted all paranoid, saying he thinks he's being followed and was in L.A. to get away from the feds (actually he's hosting Best Damn Sports Show Period tonight).


Not sure if this is a speculation on Cena being the one who "killed" Vinny. If so, this is going to get stupider by the minute to me.
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Ooooh. This sounds like it could be potentially interesting now. God knows Cena needs something else added to his "character". I like the idea.
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John Cena was on Power 106 in Anaheim on Wednesday acting as if he was nervous about the feds on his case for killing Mr. McMahon. He acted all paranoid, saying he thinks he's being followed and was in L.A. to get away from the feds (actually he's hosting Best Damn Sports Show Period tonight).


Not sure if this is a speculation on Cena being the one who "killed" Vinny. If so, this is going to get stupider by the minute to me.

I agree with that.

Not into a death angle, because it just screams "bullshit". It can't possibly endure, unless you plan to take the "dead" character off tv, FOREVER. We all know they won't do that; as soon as they want Vince back on tv, they come up with some stupid bullshit about "oh, he somehow survived", or blah, blah.

A kidnapping angle would have been a lot smarter. It still would have had the shock value, seeing Vince get a drycleaning bag wrapped around his head, and stuffed into the trunk of a '78 Nova or something. It still would have the "our leader's gone" drama. They still could have "been concerned" every night.

They could have had J.R. receiving "gifts" on tv, and opening the box to find Vince's thumb, or something. They could have had mysterious ransom demands. They could have had all kinds of shit.

And then, when you want him back, you just culminate in the "rescue" scene, and you've got him back.

A lot less messy than trying to explain how the dead guy is back in the ring.
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WWE.com has removed stories related to the "presumed death" of "Mr. McMahon" and tonight's RAW will be a tribute to Chris Benoit. Benoit, his wife Nancy, and their son Daniel were found dead earlier today in their Atlanta area home. No details are available as to cause of death at this time.
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I'm glad I was right in this thread. WWE did the right thing by pretty much dropping the angle all together, and have Vince talk about Benoit. I just wonder, now: The two main things WWE was working for, Benoit going to ECW to elevate most of its stars, and the McMahon death angle are both gone. These are going to be an interesting few weeks.
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I'd like to stand by a few things.

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a) It certainly doesn't prostitute the 10 bell salute in my eyes. Suppose that a wrestler died tommorow, I'd still see the ten bell salute as the farewell from the wwe type thing. this doesn't really change that.


Indeed.

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Exactly, they're idiots.


Referring to the idea that this angle could make anyone truthfully doubt that a real death would occur.

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I don't think it could get much clearer than that: A real death takes priority of a fake death any day, especially if the fans know that Vince really didn't die.


No-one was ever disagreeing with that. Personally, I would still have no problems if they were to resume the Vince McMahon death angle a few weeks from now.
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With the angle dropped due to the Benoit Tragedy. I am curious to find out who was supposed to have done it.
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I thought you were confident it was Mysterio :P
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See? Now I feel guilty saying it was a suicide attempt.
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Jun 26 2007, 06:32 PM
See? Now I feel guilty saying it was a suicide attempt.

I felt that all along. I am more depressed now... :(
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As most know by now WWE has scrapped the Vince McMahon “death” angle stemming from the tragedy of the Benoit family last week.

According to Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter the plan was to have Vince return this summer claiming that he faked his own death. He was then going to reveal an accomplice with several names being mentioned for the role. Mr. Kennedy was a top candidate for the role as WWE wanted to build a monster heel character off the storyline.

The June 25th edition of RAW (which ended up being a Chris Benoit tribute show) was scheduled to be a memorial service for Vince. WWE brought in a casket, flowers, candles, and pictures of the Chairman. All of the talent was told to wear a black suit for the evening. The show was suppose to end with a cliff hanger with the lead detective (“Mr. Beck”) making an arrest of the fake culprit, which would later turn out to be Linda McMahon.
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So that's two big pushes that Kennedy has been screwed out of. First, he was misdiagnosed with an injury when he was suppose to win the World Title from Undertaker. Instead, we watched Edge win that title. Now, he was going to get a big push out of this McMahon storyline. :-/
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Jul 3 2007, 05:43 PM
So that's two big pushes that Kennedy has been screwed out of. First, he was misdiagnosed with an injury when he was suppose to win the World Title from Undertaker. Instead, we watched Edge win that title. Now, he was going to get a big push out of this McMahon storyline. :-/

I blame Chirs Benoit. :angry:
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Aw damn it...
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