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Do you think this is the same treatment anyone else would have gotten?
Yes 7 (50%)
No 7 (50%)
Total Votes: 14
Unfair Treatment
Topic Started: Aug 18 2007, 05:05 AM (392 Views)
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Okay folks, I don't lie so here it is.

In the thunderdome I said.

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I wouldn't fight him. He's gay and I don't want aids.


And I my warn got increased to 20% in this PM.

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As I said previously, I'm done issuing verbal warnings for your repeated violations of the same basic TOS restrictions (racism, sexism, sexuality). You're warn percentage has been raised to 20% for your most recent violation.


Ok so once again in the Thunderdome I said:

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Why because of the words "NCR" "Cybrus" and "screwed"?


My warn was increased in the following PM.

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It doesn't matter how subtly you word your little homophobic comments, it is still a TOS violation. I've explained to you why this is a TOS violation, why you shouldn't do it, and everything else relevant to the situation multiple times. I told you that I was done saying the same things to you. As you can see, I now have zero tolerance for your repetitive racist, sexist, and homoerotic comments. You are currently at 40%. According to the forum rules, I am suppose to place you on a 7 day mod que. There is a bug in the system, so I cannot do that. (Well, I could, but the bug would make things more difficult for me, so I'm not going to). Review your forum rules to see what happens if your warn percentage continues to rise.

As I said time after time in my many verbal warnings, it's not taking me long to find 5 TOS violations against you, now is it. You didn't want to heed my warnings when they were just verbal. You don't seem interested in heeding my advice now. It's only a matter of time, huh?


I don't know about you guys, but I have seen worse things said by other people in the thunderdome and out of the thunderdome.

So.....what ya guys think?
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The Poison
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No, actually it is unfair treatment. Anyone else would have gotten banned within a few days. But since you are so well known and post a lot, you were granted many breaks. I don't have a problem with you, in fact, I find your posts funny. But the truth is, you should've been banned or warned a LONG time ago.
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The Poison
Aug 17 2007, 11:14 PM
No, actually it is unfair treatment. Anyone else would have gotten banned within a few days. But since you are so well known and post a lot, you were granted many breaks. I don't have a problem with you, in fact, I find your posts funny. But the truth is, you should've been banned or warned a LONG time ago.

Read the thunderdome rules, jackass.
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The Poison
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Jimmy 15
Aug 18 2007, 12:15 AM
The Poison
Aug 17 2007, 11:14 PM
No, actually it is unfair treatment. Anyone else would have gotten banned within a few days. But since you are so well known and post a lot, you were granted many breaks. I don't have a problem with you, in fact, I find your posts funny. But the truth is, you should've been banned or warned a LONG time ago.

Read the thunderdome rules, jackass.

As Cybrus said many times, the rules are relaxed. But you've made jokes outside of the Thunderdome that are worthy of Warnings. And I'm actually in favor of keeping you on 6SW. Calling me a jackass isn't helping.
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jackymatic
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Honestly I think its fair.
The highest I got my warning level was 10 or 20 %

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Just don't flame ppl... I know its the thunderdome but if it's the admin and if he gets pissed at you then don't flame him in any thread.

AGAIN, I KNOW its the thunderdome and you can pretty much do whatever you want...but just ...ill talk to you in chat
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The argument "I let things that you should have been warned for before slide, so now I'm just making up for lost time" is the only one he has, and isn't the most professional argument Ive ever seen.
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Nubochanozep
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Would anyone have got the same treatment? Probably not. As I said to Cybrus (and seeing as Fittes made it public, I'll assume you have no problems with me talking about this), people have said far worse in this folder of 6SW, and they haven't been warned about it. Application of the rules within The Thunderdome have been shockingly inconsistent since I first peeped in here, and unfortunately it appears that due to both Cybrus's dislike of Jimmy 15 (and vice versa), in addition to Jimmy 15's rather...conspicuous posting style, that Jimmy 15 has seen a bit of a harsh deal.

However, will this unfair treatment happen again? Doubtful. I'm basing this off the little that I do know. I'm assuming that Cybrus has decided to enforce the rules a little more consistently from now on. I very much doubt that people will be allowed to say that type of stuff in the future, without seeing action taken against them. I trust that they'll receive as many verbal warnings as Jimmy 15 did though, of course.

So would they have? No. Will they have? Yes.

This relaxing of the rules within the Thunderdome is a little fuzzy though...
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Jimmy C
Aug 18 2007, 07:43 AM
Would anyone have got the same treatment? Probably not. As I said to Cybrus (and seeing as Fittes made it public, I'll assume you have no problems with me talking about this), people have said far worse in this folder of 6SW, and they haven't been warned about it. Application of the rules within The Thunderdome have been shockingly inconsistent since I first peeped in here, and unfortunately it appears that due to both Cybrus's dislike of Jimmy 15 (and vice versa), in addition to Jimmy 15's rather...conspicuous posting style, that Jimmy 15 has seen a bit of a harsh deal.

However, will this unfair treatment happen again? Doubtful. I'm basing this off the little that I do know. I'm assuming that Cybrus has decided to enforce the rules a little more consistently from now on. I very much doubt that people will be allowed to say that type of stuff in the future, without seeing action taken against them. I trust that they'll receive as many verbal warnings as Jimmy 15 did though, of course.

So would they have? No. Will they have? Yes.

This relaxing of the rules within the Thunderdome is a little fuzzy though...

I made what public?

You got warned.

Anyway, what you did was wrong Jimmy 15.
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Cybrus
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STAY HYPED!!!
This is the exact reason why I was originally going to wait until after the ZB upgrade to start this. I knew Jimmy 15 would go on the "He hate me" tour and try to make himself look like the victim, even though he knowingly violates the same rules day in and day out because he thinks it's, by his own wording, "funny". ZB would have allowed me to make citations without increasing warnings, which in turn would allow me to present a history of violations as indisputable evidence. That is what you are being warned for, you know, your history of violating the exact same rule over and over. I knew this was coming, so I'm not caught off guard. This will be somewhat long, but I can carefully account for all the relevant information regarding this situation:

As as general rule of thumb, I am very lenient with the rules to everyone. As long as people don't go overboard, then I usually look the other way when people break mosts forum rules, as long as the violations are rare and far between. It's only when people constantly break the same rules (or a combination of rules within a short period) that I verbally issue warnings. And then, it's only when people don't listen to my verbal warnings that I actually start increasing their warning percentage. That's the way it's always worked at 6SW.

As far Jimmy 15 is concerned, I don't see how anyone can honestly say my treatment towards him has been anything but lenient and flexible. To claim I'm "unfair" or "unjust" is just typing blindly. How many times have I verbally warned Jimmy 15 about racist, sexist, and homophobic comments? You don't have to look far or too long to find such verbal warnings. A few months ago, and I'm not entirely sure why, Jimmy 15 found it "funny" to constantly make homosexual comments at my expense. This honestly never bothered me so I just let him roll with it expecting him to grow out of it eventually. But he never did. So I started verbally warning him telling him in very plain speech that constantly making homosexual comments at the expense of the same person over and over again was a violation of the Terms of Service he agreed to when he registered on this invisionfree based forum. I constantly reminded Jimmy 15 to read the forum rules for himself so he'd know what is and isn't acceptable. I constantly advised Jimmy 15 to stop his racist, sexist, and homophobic comments because it was going to get him into trouble one day. My advice was ignored. I've constantly reminded people that the rules were relaxed within the Thunderdome, but not ignore. I have a pinned thread called "Thunderdome rules" which plainly explains that while the rules are relaxed, they are not ignored. And within that very thread clearly labeled "Thunderdome rules", the following sentence can be viewed verbatim: "You cannot go on racial tirades, gender bashing tirades, or anything else that our server does not allow". I have even made a post going into great detail explaining why Jimmy 15's behavior is a TOS violation. That post was ignored. I then plainly stated in another thread that I have grown tired of verbally warning Jimmy 15 for the exact violations every single time and was offering my final verbal warning. That post was ignored. I then told Jimmy 15 to not be surprised or not to start crying because his warn percentage was going up due to his violation of the exact same TOS violations. That was ignored. So now after months and months of telling Jimmy 15 that making homosexual jokes at the expense of the same person continually is a violation of TOS, and after telling him that I had issued my final verbal warning, it is suddenly "unfair" to warn him for the same violation? Jimmy 15 kindly posted the private messages for you. You can clearly see that I am warning him for the exact same thing both times and they are both the same thing that I've been telling him not to do for months on end.

So to summarize everything I just typed:
1) I let Jimmy 15 go on his little tirade for months on end.
2) I verbally warned and advised Jimmy 15 against such behavior for months on end.
3) I explained exactly why his Jimmy 15's behavior was a violation of TOS.
4) I publicly stated that I had issued my final verbal warning about the same TOS violation
5) I'm warning Jimmy 15 for the exact same TOS violation that he has been breaking for months, that I have advised him against for months, and that I recently issued my final verbal warning for.

Hardly "unfair" or "harsh".

It is true that the comments I warned Jimmy 15 for are tamer other comments that you may find in the Thunderdome or elsewhere. However, the differentiating factor is that I have not been telling others not for months on end that they are violating the exact same TOS almost daily. I am letting people slide with many of their comments because I expect they'll get bored and move on eventually. As I have already stated in this reply, I let Jimmy 15 slide with his repetitive TOS violations expecting him to eventually move on. It's not my fault if Jimmy 15 doesn't listen to verbal warnings. It's not my fault Jimmy 15 chooses to violate the exact same TOS almost daily.

And, yes, it is true that the comments I've warned Jimmy 15 for are tamer than his previous comments. But as I pointed out to Jimmy 15 in the warning notice (again, he kindly provided that for you all), being more subtle about it doesn't make it any less of a TOS violation. And, once again, it's not so much that I am warning him for saying these things exactly. If these comments were something new that Jimmy 15 just started doing, then I would never have even considered warning Jimmy 15. He was warned because these comments are the same breed as all the other sexuality bashing comments that I've verbally warned Jimmy 15 against, oh, so many times. It's not may fault if Jimmy 15 thought it was "funny" because I was "reacting" to him. It's not my fault that Jimmy 15 wanted my attention for months on end only to start crying once he finally gets said attention.

It's not like I'm targeting Jimmy 15. I'm only warning him for TOS violations that I've given a surplus amount of lenience and verbal warnings towards. I'm not going out of my way to find these comments. I gave him plenty of time to grow out of these comments. I verbally warned him about these comments. How exactly is it "unfair" for me to tell you for months (literally) that your comments are going to get you into trouble if you don't stop them, you continue your behavior, and, as previously warned, your comments have gotten you into trouble.

There you have it. A perfectly rational explanation backed with a time line and supporting facts. Hardly anything "unfair" or "harsh".

If anyone would like to counter my claim and show me how I am being "unfair" or "harsh", then I'll gladly listen. But as this somewhat long post proves, I have been extremely lenient, extremely flexible, and extremely verbal about what I am warning Jimmy 15 over.

But, you know, there is a simpler answer. If Jimmy 15 doesn't like to be warned for the exact same TOS violations, then maybe he should, you know, not violate those terms of service. I'm just saying. But, then again, I guess it is easier to cry "foul" and point fingers than to just accept that you, Jimmy 15, are in the wrong. :shrug:
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Cybrus
Aug 18 2007, 03:54 AM
But, you know, there is a simpler answer. If Jimmy 15 doesn't like to be warned for the exact same TOS violations, then maybe he should, you know, not violate those terms of service. I'm just saying. But, then again, I guess it is easier to cry "foul" and point fingers than to just accept that you, Jimmy 15, are in the wrong. :shrug:

Cybrus, the problem with that is because he believes that Jimmy 15 can't stop being Jimmy 15. He told me that if he started following the rules he would have "lost" to you Cybrus and he told me he'd rather be banned and "win" then to "lose" to you....

Jimmy 15, don't make this mistake because Cybrus is a very nice and friendly admin. Cybrus even told you that he doesn't hate you so it just goes to show that this conflict isn't personal, it's just business.
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Cybrus
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STAY HYPED!!!
Win or lose, doesn't matter to me, just stop violating the TOS. If Jimmy 15 is so immature that he has to get his follies from such childish behavior, then he needs to pick something that isn't a TOS violation to be obsessed with. There's plenty of ways to annoy people without violating the terms of service. That's all he cares about, annoying others.
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Actually I think the second one was a little harsh, I mean if you look in the "I challenge Jimmy C to a dual" I think it was, then you could see that Legacy called master gay, and I in turned made a comment about his comment... and It is similar to this, so I thought it could be the same.
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Cybrus
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STAY HYPED!!!
Once again, Jimmy 15 was not warned for one isolated incident. It's a repeated pattern of behavior that is the root of his warning. Should you guys continue your behavior for months on end without ever letting up, then I'll start verbally warning you as well. Should you guys then decide to disregard my warnings, then I'll up your warn percentage too. It's the same principle that I've always applied to everyone at 6SW. The only difference here is that I admittedly do not like Jimmy 15 so he's trying to use that knowledge to start a "he hate me" tour.
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Nubochanozep
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Well at least the rules, and how they apply with you are all out in the open now, and whatever.
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:lol: As if anyone thought I actually cared about the warning increase. This isn't a "he hate me" tour at all. I know the warnings were justified. It would have made sense if my warning went up earlier on a more deserving post. Cause there are more funnier ones out there.

No this wasn't a "he hate me" rant. This entire thread was once again, an attention seeker. Attention I got and am very pleased with, as usual. You think I don't realise that I have gotten away with far too much? I may be an asshole, but I'm not a dumb one.

But if you my dear friend Cybrus, were as smart as you like to think you are, you would have learned from Kraul. All he did was begin to ignore me. I never say anything to him anymore. If only you would have learnt to do the same months ago, things would be so much more different today. Infact Jimmy C and I probably wouldn't even be friends. :(

No offence.
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Jimmy 15
Aug 18 2007, 08:21 PM
But if you my dear friend Cybrus,

You called me "friend". :)
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Also, you were in this thread a mil second after you seen I replied to it. :)
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Yep, that's because no other thread was shown as active in the Today's Active Posts link.
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No you hang up first. :cool:
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Shace2007
Aug 18 2007, 06:52 AM
Actually I think the second one was a little harsh, I mean if you look in the "I challenge Jimmy C to a dual" I think it was, then you could see that Legacy called master gay, and I in turned made a comment about his comment... and It is similar to this, so I thought it could be the same.

You snitch! :angry:

I didn't know calling someone gay was against the rules. I doubt anyone on 6SW is gay to offend them. Plus it's not like guests could see the Thunderdome. But if it means that much to you, I wont call Master Rah gay. :P
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Legacy
Aug 19 2007, 12:32 AM
Shace2007
Aug 18 2007, 06:52 AM
Actually I think the second one was a little harsh, I mean if you look in the "I challenge Jimmy C to a dual" I think it was, then you could see that Legacy called master gay, and I in turned made a comment about his comment... and It is similar to this, so I thought it could be the same.

You snitch! :angry:

I didn't know calling someone gay was against the rules. I doubt anyone on 6SW is gay to offend them. Plus it's not like guests could see the Thunderdome. But if it means that much to you, I wont call Master Rah gay. :P

I snitched on myself also!!!
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Aug 18 2007, 08:32 PM
You snitch! :angry:

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500 points for Hufflepuff!
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Nubochanozep
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Who wants to **** ** *****?

[size=-4]look at stars[/size]
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Kraul

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Aug 18 2007, 08:04 PM
Who wants to **** ** *****?

Who wants to "move my Volvo"? :shifty:
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In retrospect, that would have been a far better thing to have in the micro font.
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