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| Lance Storm Criticizes Undertaker | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 20 2008, 11:46 PM (306 Views) | |
| _DL_ | Feb 20 2008, 11:46 PM Post #1 |
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It's a bit long, but I think he makes a good point about Undertaker using the Gogoplata. |
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| MY85 | Feb 20 2008, 11:51 PM Post #2 |
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Didn't Taker use the Gogoplata once against Angle in No Way Out only to lose via pinfall while still holding Angle? Oh, I really agree with the part about Matt Striker and Taker. |
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| Kraul | Feb 21 2008, 12:01 AM Post #3 |
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I disagree with Storm on the whole "choke not being a proper finisher in wrestling" thing, but I agree that 'Taker shouldn't be doing them (unless it's the old 'Taker choking the life out of his victim because he's a nasty heel thing with his hand). I've never liked 'Taker's moveset since he's started to use holds and all that. The Undertaker is one of those wrestlers that not only could get away with using very few holds, but he actually should use very few on very rare occasions. He's supposed to be super intimidating (arguably the most intimidating guy in WWE history) and he's very large, so simple pummeling his opponents like he used to would work. Slapping on a triangle hold or whatever just seems off and out of character. |
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| TapOutAngleLock | Feb 21 2008, 12:03 AM Post #4 |
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Is Lance Storm saying he doesnt like any finishing holds where the wrestler hwo performs the move is laying down because a couple finishers have u laying on the ground like the ankle lock and cross face. Or is he saying he doesnt like finishers that were the wrestler is on his back or is he saying he doesnt like big men using submission holds. |
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| Kraul | Feb 21 2008, 12:10 AM Post #5 |
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He's saying that he both doesn't think chokes of any kind should be moves in wrestling that can be used without being disqualified and moves where you are on your back when applying it to your opponent (like with the Tazzmision). A move like the ankle lock or crossface is neither. |
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| MY85 | Feb 21 2008, 12:18 AM Post #6 |
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I think he also complains because when Taker does the move, he's prone to a pinfall position. |
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| _DL_ | Feb 21 2008, 12:29 AM Post #7 |
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That was the Triangle choke. They look almost the same, however.
I think he's saying he doesn't like the move because for 1: You're on your back because you could get easily pinned; 2: The move is a legit choke hold and in wrestling those aren't allowed or something like that; and 3: The Undertaker shouldn't be doing those kinds of moves. |
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| MY85 | Feb 21 2008, 12:35 AM Post #8 |
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If Taker did the hold on someone like BDV or Khali, he wouldn't have much problems with it. If he did that on someone like Matt Striker, it would be unnecessary. I don't mind having Taker use different moves from time to time. After all, many people complain about many wrestlers using the same moveset. If they can use a new move, better... |
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| WWEFootos48 | Feb 21 2008, 12:48 AM Post #9 |
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From a psylog-yadda yadda yadda standpoint, I totally agree with what he is saying. It's a very effective move for taking down a really big person, but when you're taking on someone like Striker, or even somebody less than the size of Khali or Viscera, it's completely unnecessary. He's built up many moves over the past two 'decades of destruction' where he doesn't have to pull out a perceived "chokehold" to beat somebody he could easily take out with a tombstone. And also for his other argument, he's arguing that a move like that is effective in MMA where you can't be pinned, but looks bad in the WWE because it could easily be countered into a pin; it's kind of a risk he doesn't need to take, since, as said earlier, he could take his opponent out with just about any other move. That NWO '06 match pretty much ended with Angle countering the triangle choke into a pin, showing what the risk of the move can do. |
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| Nubochanozep | Feb 21 2008, 12:54 AM Post #10 |
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I agree with storm entirely |
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| JVicious | Feb 21 2008, 03:00 AM Post #11 |
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When I saw Taker give Striker the choke, it looked very awkward and unneeded. Using it on bigger opponents like Khali or BDV yes, but anyone smaller then 6'5, no. I thought Taker was going to use it every odd match, like HHH would use the Indian Death Lock an odd occassions. But it seems like its going to become a regular and I'm not a fan of it. |
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| _DL_ | Feb 22 2008, 05:06 AM Post #12 |
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Would anyone happen to have a link to Undertaker using the move on Striker? |
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| L69 | Feb 22 2008, 11:58 AM Post #13 |
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I don't like the move full stop used on anyone. Why do something to win a match when a chokeslam could do it. It's really stupid. |
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| WWEFootos48 | Feb 22 2008, 01:36 PM Post #14 |
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It's funny how 10 people here pretty much repeated the same thing about how the move is used.
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| MY85 | Feb 22 2008, 09:42 PM Post #15 |
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Would it be credible if Taker used the move against... Cena, whom according to what WWE wants you to believe is "the toughest guy in the company"? |
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