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Raw Discussion 03/31/08
Topic Started: Mar 31 2008, 02:59 PM (721 Views)
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At WrestleMania XXIV, Randy Orton shocked the world by pinning John Cena and retaining his coveted WWE Championship at the Citrus Bowl. Now that Orton has proven his dominance against not one, but two of Raw’s most powerful and skilled Superstars, who could possibly step forth to oppose him? And how will Triple H and Cena react after having been foiled in their attempts to recapture the WWE Championship? We'll find out as Raw rolls across town to Orlando's Amway Arena.

Unfortunately, Orton’s win wasn’t the only disappointment for WWE fans last night. After a legendary 36-year career, the "Nature Boy" Ric Flair was defeated by Shawn Michaels, and given a standing ovation by the 74,365 at the Citrus Bowl. How will The Showstopper deal with the emotions involved in ending the career of his friend and 16-time World Champion? And while Flair is forbidden to compete in the ring again, will this be the last we see of the Dirtiest Player in the Game?

Fans got to witness two experienced brawlers do what they do best on Sunday when JBL narrowly defeated Finlay in a Belfast Brawl. Though Finlay almost defeated the self-proclaimed "Wrestling God," even an assist from his recently recovered son wasn’t enough to put a stop to the rampaging self-made millionaire. With this win behind him, will JBL continue to run roughshod over the Raw roster? Or will the newly reunited team of Finlay and Hornswoggle rebound to take him down?

And with Beth Phoenix & Melina topping Maria & Ashley in their BunnyMania Lumberjack Match at WrestleMania, who will rise up from the Divas division to challenge the powerful Glamazon and make a move on her cherished title?
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Ric Flair for GM!!!

Ric Flair >>>>>>>>>>>> William Regal
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Kraul

Flair should disappear from the wrestling world for a long time (like two years minimum). Why? It would really cement his retirement.

If he comes back within a year after retiring, then it would take away from the impact. And if he comes back at all, it increases the chances that he'll have at least the occasional match (which I believe he'll eventually do anyway, like Foley or Austin).

If Flair is gone for two years or more, it will feel like Flair is truly done which would make any potential return for any position whatsoever much, much, much more bigger and entertaining.
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Regal is very underrated as GM hes funny at times

RKO will probaly be challeneged by HHH cause Cena has to film his second movie

JBL will continue feud wit finlay

All the wrestlers hugging Flair goodbye should be a good moment, but its what they should have of done at wrestlemania and gave Flair and HBK the last match

I hope we just dont have to see the ugly ashley get pushed to beat Beth.
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Kraul

Wasn't Ashley a fill in for Candice last night? I don't know what's happened in the last few weeks, but I'm assuming it was a last minute thing out-of-kayfabe (is Candice out legitimately right now?).

If that's the case, why would they push her if she wasn't even supposed to be a focus right now and when she's failed in the past?
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I 2 was surprised at her appearance last night. I couldn't care for either one or the match itself, though I'm sure that there's a "reasonable" explanation for her replacing the other one.

Plus Ashley is injury prone so to have a focus on her would be dumb.
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Ashley did well last night.
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After seeing how it turned out, I retract my earlier post. This was definately the best way for Flair to go out.

Great RAW, too. If they were all that way, I would have never stopped watching. :tu:
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Cryme Tyme is back. Hells ya.

As for Ric Flair. Maybe it's because I'm a disrespectfull snot nosed punk, BUT, Triple H should have Pedigreed the shit out of him when he came out. Would have been the perfect way for him to return to the being the biggest heel in the game. But NOOOO.

I'm thinking they were hinting towards a Batista v Micheals fued. Maybe going in the direction of Batista thinking Micheals should have laid down for Flair on refused the match. Dunno.
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After RAW Went Off The Air:

-- The Undertaker, Stephanie and Vince McMahon came out and joined the Ric Flair farewell celebration. Vince took Flair's arm and raised it up high on each side of the ring.

I figured UT wouldn't break kayfabe on TV.
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Very emotional ending to a great career.

Here's a bit more from an attendee.

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Hey guys, I saw you reported the Undertaker and Vince coming to the ring to say goodbye to Flair. I thought I'd give a little more detail.

Undertaker came out to his music, in full attire. He entered the ring, took his coat off, his hat, etc. He walked over to Flair and extended his hand, when Flair took it they hugged several times. It was cool to see Taker out of character. He even went
on one knee and did his pose in front of Flair and proceeded to stand outside of the ring with all the other superstars clapping.

Then Vince came out and hugged Flair several times and raised Flair's hand to all 4 sides of the ring.

This was one of the most special moments in WWE history and they went all out on it. It was the best send off for a wrestler I've ever witnessed and I was glad to be there. They stayed out there a good 10-15 minutes after Raw went off the air. Of course Ric got a huge standing ovation. He took the mic and said "Thank you" about 5 times before heading out with his family. The wrestlers on the ramp did the "I'm not worthy" gesture to him as he walked passed them, even the Undertaker did it. Haha. It was a great sight to see!
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I'd love to know just how jealous Hulk Hogan is that Flair has been treated the way he has for the past while with it culminating last night. Not to mention that everyone keeps calling Flair the greatest ever. :lol:
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Apr 1 2008, 02:54 PM
I'd love to know just how jealous Hulk Hogan is that Flair has been treated the way he has for the past while with it culminating last night. Not to mention that everyone keeps calling Flair the greatest ever. :lol:

Hogan is a duche bag who has been rightfully disowned by the WWE. :P

Raw was pretty awesome last night. Flair's swan song was without a doubt one of the best endings to Raw in a while. My one and only complaint with last night's Raw was the lack of Cena and Triple H. But that's only minor. Otherwise, great show.
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Apr 1 2008, 12:57 PM
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Apr 1 2008, 02:54 PM
I'd love to know just how jealous Hulk Hogan is that Flair has been treated the way he has for the past while with it culminating last night. Not to mention that everyone keeps calling Flair the greatest ever. :lol:

Hogan is a duche bag who has been rightfully disowned by the WWE. :P

Until he agrees to come back to one of their major pay-per-views to score a pointless win over current WWE talent. He'll definately be up for it if he gets to squash rising talent.
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The main difference between Flair and Hogan now is that Flair has retired and had a final match. Hogan just left/got cast aside and never had that one last match mentality. Plus, if Hogan had a final match, he would want to win it. :lol:
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Apr 1 2008, 01:22 PM
Plus, if Hogan had a final match, he would want to win it. :lol:

So damn true. And you know that he wouldn't be satisfied completely with it unless it was a win over someone big today, like Cena.
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He'd want to beat Austin or HHH.
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I think that might be a big reason why Austin hasn't tried to pursue a Hogan/Austin match at WrestleMania despite Hogan trying to push it when he was inducted.

Austin knows Hogan would push for him to win or else he wouldn't agree and Austin has no interest in losing to Hogan.

The only good ending to that match up would probably be Randy Orton coming out and RKO'ing both of them anyway. Legend Killer. :cool:
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I was shocked to see Cryme Tyme back. Even though I'm not a big fan of the team, I marked out as soon as I heard their entrance music.

Seeing Flair go out last night was much better than I had ever imagined. I cried like a little two-year old, but it was well-worth it. You'll be missed, Naitch.
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Apr 1 2008, 03:39 PM
I was shocked to see Cryme Tyme back. Even though I'm not a big fan of the team, I marked out as soon as I heard their entrance music.

Seeing Flair go out last night was much better than I had ever imagined. I cried like a little two-year old, but it was well-worth it. You'll be missed, Naitch.

Was I the only one wgo marked out for london and kendrick winning
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I'm a fan of Londrick, so them getting a win is always a good thing - even if I didn't see it last night (missed half of RAW after the opening segment).
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I marked out at Cryme Tyme returning and London and Kendrik winning missed the second half of Raw though.
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By: Bob Ryder
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The matching watches being worn on RAW last night by Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels have inscriptions on the back. Flair's says "To Be The Man" and Michaels' says "You Gotta Beat The Man".


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Cool, so is HBK "The Man" now? Is he officially the new Ric Flair? Will we see Shawn wrestling in his 60's?
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Apr 2 2008, 05:54 PM
Cool, so is HBK "The Man" now? Is he officially the new Ric Flair? Will we see Shawn wrestling in his 60's?

And eventually he'll be retired in a similiar fashion, complete with the mandatory putting over of Triple H.

Hey, if Hunter can't be the one to retire the guy, he has to get an ego boost somehow.

half j/k
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Here's the video where Taker and Vince embrace Flair after Raw ended... pretty awesome. :tu:
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What can I say about that RAW? It was the first live RAW I've seen awhile, and it was well worth the wait. The Flair ceremony at the end was honestly one of the classiest moves I've ever seen in my entire life in any form of TV or real life. It was just pure emotion. Even though some might debate whether he is the greatest "wrestler" of all-time, I don't doubt it at all that he may have been the greatest "person" ever to step into the ring, and it showed. Even as he got older, he didn't get this huge ego like some others, and worked to put over so many with his name. He was the inspiration to most of the roster, and again, unlike others, when somebody called him the greatest of all-time, he would start crying as if he was overwhelmed with that statement. I've obviously only been a fan since he was past his prime, but I really respect his career and his character more than anybody else. Really, really cool guy.

The only thing that was better than him was that ending to RAW. When Benoit and Guerrero died, I didn't shed a tear. But at the end of RAW, I really got caught up in it because it was just so damn classy. That's really one of the reasons I became a wrestling fan; for a moment like that. It really rejuvenated my appreciation for the passion of every wrestler who steps into the ring.
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I finally watched Raw. I wasn't putting it off or anything, I just didn't have the time until last night. It was a good Raw.

I'm not sure how well an Orton vs JBL feud will go over. WWE doesn't usually do heel vs heel matches because the fans really have no one to cheer for. I wonder if a face will be added into the mix. Or maybe this will turn into an EC match or something. Nah, probably not. If it is JBL vs Orton, I don't want JBL as champion. I didn't enjoy his SD! reign at all.

Big Show vs Khali is going to suck, big time. Lets go ahead and get this "big guy vs big guy" match over and put Big Show in something actually interesting.

I think this week was the big blow off for the Maria/Santino storyline. Hopefully, the two will go their separate ways. I still expect Santino to fade away without Maria, but keeping him in this storyline won't help matters any.

The Flair segments were the best parts of the night. I am not even a big Flair fan, wouldn't even call myself a casual Flair fan, but I still enjoyed the career highlights and the big send off. Bringing back older names was a fitting touch. It was great to hear the Horsemen music one more time. And since Flair claims Steamboat was his greatest opponent, it was good to see him come out as well. HBK, Batista, Triple H, and Ric's family were all fitting as well since they all had storyline ties with Flair. The only name that really seemed out of place was John Cena. I'm not sure why he came out on his own instead of coming out when the entire locke room flooded out. I don't remember any big storyline that connected Flair and Cena. Oh well. It doesn't matter. It was still a great segment.

Third straight week of no Kennedy. This better be because he is filming that movie. :(
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The only thing that connects Flair to Cena was during the HOF Ceremony, where Flair mentions Cena and in a way to give a jab to The Rock, Flair said Cena won't be leaving the (wrestling) business to do movies... maybe that connects them. Other than that, I dunno... maybe WWE still thinks Cena's their biggest babyface :shrug:, but he got the usual reaction on that Raw. It's better not to think about it that much... why not having Orton come out to salute Flair? Maybe they didn't have Orton come out on his own because of his heel persona, but everyone knows Flair and Orton go way back since Evolution and they could had even tried to turn Orton face (if he was to feud with JBL only, but I expect Cena and Triple H to be involved on the next Raw) by showing his respects to Flair.


The episode was pretty good. My only complains would be the ending of the Matt Hardy-Orton match and Cryme Tyme returning (even if I know the WWE needs to build a tag team division).
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Apr 4 2008, 07:06 AM
The Flair segments were the best parts of the night. I am not even a big Flair fan, wouldn't even call myself a casual Flair fan, but I still enjoyed the career highlights and the big send off. Bringing back older names was a fitting touch. It was great to hear the Horsemen music one more time. And since Flair claims Steamboat was his greatest opponent, it was good to see him come out as well. HBK, Batista, Triple H, and Ric's family were all fitting as well since they all had storyline ties with Flair. The only name that really seemed out of place was John Cena. I'm not sure why he came out on his own instead of coming out when the entire locke room flooded out. I don't remember any big storyline that connected Flair and Cena. Oh well. It doesn't matter. It was still a great segment.

Ditto on the fan part and Cena part.

The Cena part confused the hell out of me since it was just so out of place. It seemed more like an attempt to get him over (see, everyone, Cena really respects Flair to come out on his own! CHEER HIM DAMN IT!) than anything else. Everyone else fit in some way but him.
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