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WrestleMania XXIV Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 18 2008, 09:04 PM (4,509 Views)
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Matt and MVP had a big program going where Matt could never get a 1 on 1 shot at the US title. Then the storyline was that MVP hurt Matt. It's time for a payoff. If they don't, then the WWE really is stupid. Matt is very popular and very over. MVP is one of SD!'s top heels. It's a good midcard match for WM.
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Feb 27 2008, 10:13 AM
I mean Kennedy is already claiming hes using the briefcase at WM..if he wins,

Kennedy's trash talk was just that: trash talk. It wasn't a premonition. It was just trash talk used to hype the "anytime, anywhere" status of the contract. I cannot be for certain, but I think that same line has been used every year by at least one performer in MITB. Kennedy is going to win. History teaches, and he wrote the book, you know. :wink:

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Matt and MVP had a big program going where Matt could never get a 1 on 1 shot at the US title. Then the storyline was that MVP hurt Matt. It's time for a payoff. If they don't, then the WWE really is stupid. Matt is very popular and very over. MVP is one of SD!'s top heels. It's a good midcard match for WM.

I agree. It would be asinine for WWE to not capitalize on the Hardy/MVP storyline. But at the same time, WWE shot themselves in the foot. Hardy went out with a real injury right after MVP beat him down on camera. WWE could have been hyping the shit out of that, which would have given MVP more heat, and would have made Matt's return more anticipated and more exciting. Instead, they gave the real reason Hardy went out and then gave Orton heat by having Orton take Matt out again when Matt appeared on Raw. But still, Matt is still one of the most popular guys on the roster and a good worker. Matt vs MVP would be a very good undercard match. They still have months of history to hype leading up to the match. They just missed an opportunity intensify the grudge and up the fans' emotions.
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Didn't Orton and Edge claimed last year that if they won, they would use the briefcase on the same night? They lost. Kennedy could lose, too... but I'll watch the buildup. I'm 50-50 on thinking either Jeff or Kennedy will win.
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Hardy is probably the most over guy on the roster right now, so he should be the guy that wins it. But I think Hardy's time has pasted. I said when they gave Hardy his big push starting at Armageddon that I didn't expect it would last past the Rumble. And, sadly, he's once again been delegated back down to mid-card matches. Even though he could easily be pushed to the top.

Of all the guys that have qualified thus far, the only guy that is getting a serious push is Kennedy. Kennedy is always in the ring with big names. He's always in important angles and storylines. He's always having good-to-great matches. Hardy's big push is over, so I don't think he's getting it (even though he should). Jericho isn't going back up anytime soon, so he's not getting it. Shelton is on ECW, so no one even remembers he is alive. He's not getting it. Kennedy is the only guy that's qualified that is in a position to win. Unless they throw Batista or someone in, then I don't see how Kennedy is going to lose.
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If Kennedy wasn't in the MITB match, I would of given it to Jeff, but now I'm leaning toward Kenendy. To me, Jeff didn't seem to falter while feuding with Orton, so there could be a slim chance of him getting back in the main event picture. But at the same time, Kennedy was being built up to main event since his MITB win last year, but had to put it on hold because of a misdiagnoses, so in all likely-hood they could be picking up where they left off with Kennedy.
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Feb 27 2008, 10:16 PM
Jeff didn't seem to falter while feuding with Orton,

I think you may have meant to say Jeff didn't flourish, since he is being treated like he did falter.

I thought Jeff did well with his main event push. It's just that it was never meant to last longer than a month. They gave him is match at the Rumble, a PPV that is going to sell on name brand and the Rumble event regardless of the title match. Now, he's going back down to mid card status with the occasional high profile match.
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Kennedy won't win. I don't even think he's being that big a push. You see Jeff Hardy beats the main eventers such as Triple H and HBK. Kennedy doesn't. He always loses. The way I see it, is they just throw Kennedy in there, so that the other guys has someone to face. Carlito did the same thing. I don't see how Kennedy getting thrown into tag matches, is any different then when Carlito used to team with Angle to face HBK and Cena on RAW in 2006. Kennedy said, if he won, he was gonna use it that night. And I know how the WWE works.(see winner of the first year of roundtables) and they would not have him say that, then win and not do it. And if he was going to do it, he would not have said it. Kennedy won't win, because Kennedy doesn't win. He's just a peice of crap they thrown in with the main event guys.

As far as him getting Cena at the end of RAW. It was just to show that Triple H didn't care. Kennedy got the move and left the ring. They did not show him on the stage. The camera was on Triple H. And the reason Orton didn't do it, is because if Orton did it, Triple H would have confronted him since he's his opponent. Kennedy is useless, so Triple H didn't give a damn. And the champ, Orton got the upperhand on Trips and Cena earlier in the night. Look next week, for 2 F-U's. :(

Jeff Hardy gets the loudest crowd reactions every single night. Jeff is the most over face in the WWE. And he always has good-great matches. At least that statment holds true for him, unlike someone else. *Cough*Bleach blonde constipated Kennedy*Cough*. Jeff Hardy is going to win the MITB and get right back into the title picture. Not every guy can main event Wrestlemania, so they put the champ, along with 2 of the biggest draws in the main event. There is nothing wrong with that. Other then Cena sucks, but thats a topic for another time. Jeff wins MITB, I would put money on it. It's Wrestlemania people, use your brains.

As far as Matt Hardy goes. I don't think he's even that popular. I don't think he will be back in time for Wrestlemania, because he's a pussy. And since Matt is going to be out so long, people are gonna forget about him. He will get a few loud cheers when he gets back and attacks MVP, but it won't last that long. The only time Matt got his big pops, is when Jeff was there. Matt by himself, isn't that over. Don't get me wrong, the fans do cheer for him. But not as much as they boo MVP. MVP is too good to have to be put in a bathroom match with Matt at Mania. Because that's what it is, a bathroom match. Really. Just like Benoit vs JBL last year. BATHROOM.

I'll be here all week.
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Feb 27 2008, 10:48 PM
Just like Benoit vs JBL last year. BATHROOM.

I didn't knew JBL wrestled last year at 'Mania. :P
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Feb 27 2008, 10:48 PM
The way I see it, is they just throw Kennedy in there, so that the other guys has someone to face. Carlito did the same thing.

I'd say WWE is treating Kennedy more like Orton than Carlito. The kept Orton in limbo for about a year, maybe longer, where he was constantly in the ring with big names, constantly having matches with big names, but always losing against big names. That's where Kennedy is currently at. He is always in the ring with big names. Constantly have good-to-great matches against big names, but is losing against those big names. All the while, JR is on the mic constantly praising Kennedy for his talent. They are priming him. They didn't get to capitalize on his MITB win last year, so they are going to make it right this year. Watch it.

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Kennedy got the move and left the ring. They did not show him on the stage. The camera was on Triple H

So you just close your eyes anytime Triple H isn't on screen then? Go back and watch the footage. They showed Kennedy standing on the top of the entrance ramp doing his mic pose several times as the show went off the air. Your boy, the forgotten champion, wasn't shown at all. Kennedy was the focus of the end. It's undeniable, and saying otherwise just shows your pitiful biasness against the inevitable.

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they would not have him say that, then win and not do it. And if he was going to do it, he would not have said it.

Yeah, because heels don't often make claims that they fail to back up do they. Nah, heels always speak the truth one-hundred percent of the time, right. :mhm:

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As far as Matt Hardy goes. I don't think he's even that popular.

Wow, you are just killing yourself here. Matt is one of the most popular guys on the roster. The crowd reaction is always there. I'm not sure what you are watching, living in denial like that. :shrug:
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You do know that just because you say I'm in denial, doesn't make it true. I am the winner of the first year of roundtables.

In fact, when I read your reviews on a wrestling show and you talk about Kennedy, it really truley seems like your in your own little world with it. Okay he doesn't as suck as bad as I used to say he did. But he does not hold as big a future as you say. And especially when you say he always has good-great matches. He hasn't once had a great match, and has had very few good matches. Even his matches with HBK, with the exception of one, they were pretty lackluster. Even ask Jimmy C, who is the biggest HBK fan. Actually the RAW after Shawn fought Kennedy, Shawn was in a match with Lance Cade. A different one then this past week. And that particualr Shawn/Cade match was better then the Shawn Kennedy matches, with the exeption of 1. I forget which. Kennedy has a pretty good match with Jeff Hardy one night on a night with nothing else. And that's about it as far as good matches with Kennedy goes.

And him being how Orton was. NO. Orton was losing to Undertaker in Hell In A Cell matches. Kennedy gets thrown into a match and loses. He never had a chance of winning the rubber match with Micheals. He never had a chance of beating Flair. He doesn't have a chance in the MITB.

I did watch the footage over and yes it did show Kennedy do his stupid mic pose once, but I forgot about it, not because I live in denial but because the focus was not that Kennedy hit Cena, but that Triple H just stood there and watched. And if your seriously trying to tell me that, that wasn't the main focus of the ending to RAW, then I don't see how you could say I live in denial. Kennedy was a pawn used to further the storyline with Cena and Triple H.

And Matt isn't one of the most popular guys on the roster. He may be one of the most popular guys midcarding, but thats about it. He's not Jeff Hardy. Never was. Never will be. He sucks at everything.
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I am the winner of the first year of roundtables.

You keep saying this throughout the forum like it means something. All this time, I thought you were just having a good time, tooting your own horn. But you dont' think this is a serious accomplishment worthy of praise do you? :lmao:

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And especially when you say he always has good-great matches. He hasn't once had a great match, and has had very few good matches. Even his matches with HBK, with the exception of one, they were pretty lackluster.

I know I am bias towards Kennedy. I state my biasness towards him frequently And I would be more likely believe you if you weren't the only person that says stuff like this. But I frequently read feedback (both fan reactions and editor comments) at PWtorch, at PW.net, at wrestlingobserver -- all three of which are the big news sites, and 95% of the reviews for Kennedy matches and segments share my opinion. Kennedy's matches, excluding squash matches, usually get a 3 star rating or more, and from multiple sources. Kennedy's matches against HBK were good, several were great (his raw match in particular). Kennedy's match against Ric Flair at No Way Out got a lot of mixed review, but the overall majority of the reviews I read said the match was good. It's a consistent consensus across the board from fans across the world. Even here at 6SW, you are in the minority with your foolish Kennedy bashing. Your denial of Kennedy's talent and match/promo quality doesn't change that. It just makes you look foolish for claiming otherwise. You are in the minority when it comes to Kennedy. Kennedy will be a headliner and will make for a damn fine champion. Accept it.

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And him being how Orton was. NO. Orton was losing to Undertaker in Hell In A Cell matches. Kennedy gets thrown into a match and loses. He never had a chance of winning the rubber match with Micheals. He never had a chance of beating Flair. He doesn't have a chance in the MITB.

Again, continual denial isn't going to change facts. Kennedy's current push heavily resembled Orton's push from a year or two ago. Both were kept in the higher mid card region of the card. Both were put into matches with big name talent. Both were built to look like credible threats to their opponents. Both had good-to-great matches against their opponents. Both lost more matches than they won. Orton didn't start winning his matches again until he got that nod for his big push. The same is going to ring true for Kennedy. Watch it. The only difference is that Kennedy doesn't have an aura of utter unimportance surrounding him that Orton seems to have...which is mind boggling for Orton seeing as how so much of his current reign is going so right for him.

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And if your seriously trying to tell me that, that wasn't the main focus of the ending to RAW, then I don't see how you could say I live in denial. Kennedy was a pawn used to further the storyline with Cena and Triple H.

And if you'll once again read my Raw comments, which you seem to commenting on here for some odd reason, then you'll see I questioned why Kennedy was given that role and why Orton wasn't shown at all. Kennedy is unimportant to the current WWE title picture. I said that. Kennedy should have lost the match and faded away. I said that. The segment should have closed with Orton, Cena, and Triple H...the three guys headlining WM. I said that. Instead, it closed with Cena, Triple H, and Kennedy. Deny it if you want. Over look it if you wish. But Kennedy's treatment this past week made him look more important, at least for that one instant, than the reigning WWE champion...the forgotten Randy Orton. Orton didn't even get shown with a perplexed look, wasn't shown clutching his title, wasn't even shown laying out on the sides. He was completely forgotten at a moment when he should have been shown. Instead, Kennedy got his moment in the sun. Kennedy got to take out Cena. Kennedy got to have the grand exit pose to close Raw. And, correct me if I'm wrong, the announcers didn't even mention Orton either.

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And Matt isn't one of the most popular guys on the roster.

Yes, he is. But denial seems to be your motif, so why bother anymore. If the crowd reaction doesn't do it for you, then text words won't either.
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Cybrus, I'll ask the same question I asked -O- before. Why do you waste your time with J15, Cybrus?

Anyways... Kennedy vs Flair at No Way Out wasn't that good, really. Take away the Kennedy tactics of getting heel heat and the match itself wasn't all that great, it was quite boring.

Sure he'll be a headliner, but a great champion? I don't know. I can't give a damn about him as I used to before. :shrug:
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Feb 28 2008, 02:15 AM
Cybrus, I'll ask the same question I asked -O- before. Why do you waste your time with J15, Cybrus?

It's always a sure-fire for conversation and his illogical, circular replies amuse me. Yes. :tu:
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Feb 28 2008, 02:24 AM
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Feb 28 2008, 02:15 AM
Cybrus, I'll ask the same question I asked -O- before. Why do you waste your time with J15, Cybrus?

It's always a sure-fire for conversation and his illogical, circular replies amuse me. Yes. :tu:

Oh, I see...

I wonder why the hell he waited for almost an entire year to brag about his Roundtable victories...
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Double post, but....

Purplemarauder
Feb 27 2008, 04:54 PM
Does anybody know Matt Hardy's status? If we don't get the Matt vs MVP payoff, that will just be stupid.

Matt Hardy on his MySpace blog
 
I am physically super healthy and feeling great right now and can't really say anything except this.. The clock is ticking.. TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK..

I am mentally and emotionally super healthy right now as well. Every aspect of my life is at peace right now. I feel fucking amazing when it comes to what my future holds!


He should be back soon! :tu:
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The clock is ticking.. TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK..

That would be a reference to MVP wouldn't it? That's a line out of MVP's theme music, isn't it? :P
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For those of you that didn’t read the SmackDown taping results, Batista vs. Umaga was officially added to the WrestleMania XXIV card in a match for brand supremacy on last night’s episode on the CW Network.

Also announced on last night’s edition of SmackDown, John Legend will perform America The Beautiful at WrestleMania XXIV.

Here is what happened after SmackDown went off the air (as noted in our Spoiler report): Edge backs up on the outside as Batista’s music hits. Kane’s music follows. Edge is frozen in fear and selling his “injuries.” They back him into the ring, he tries to escape but they put him back in. Kane hits a chokeslam, Batista a Spear, and Undertaker a Tombstone. Kane and The Undertaker exit ringside with their brothers of destruction handshake. Batista goes all around the arena shaking hands with fans on his way out. Edge, finally gets up in the ring and says that Undertaker won’t have Kane and Batista at WrestleMania. Tony Chimmel announces Edge as the World Heavyweight Champion and tells everyone goodnight. Edge’s music plays.


I'm a fan of Legend's so this should be good.
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You keep saying this throughout the forum like it means something. All this time, I thought you were just having a good time, tooting your own horn. But you dont' think this is a serious accomplishment worthy of praise do you?


Well it does show that Jimmy15 is on the ball more often than say, you, or anyone else here for that matter.
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I was just having fun of it. But it is worthy of praise and it does mean something. But yes, I was just having fun with it.
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Mar 1 2008, 09:31 PM
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You keep saying this throughout the forum like it means something. All this time, I thought you were just having a good time, tooting your own horn. But you dont' think this is a serious accomplishment worthy of praise do you?


Well it does show that Jimmy15 is on the ball more often than say, you, or anyone else here for that matter.

Possibly. If you ignore the fact that I don't even participate in WWE roundtables. Possibly, indeed.
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Which gives you a total prediction score of zero! :grin:
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He does particpate in them. He's lying.
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Well it appears that WWE has decided to run with the whole "forgotton champion" thing that Cybrus mentioned. It also said that Orton wants to provide an unforgettable moments at Mania for the so called "experts". Talking about us net geeks perhaps??
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It also appears that HBK is going to go heel for WM like he did when he faced Hogan. He should give Flair some Sweet Chin Music next week...
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[size=14]DO NOT POST SPOILERS WITHOUT WARNING[/size]

I'm not entirely sure if that was a spoiler but if it was, you're a dick.
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The words "appears" and "should" do not constitute a spoiler in my book...
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Spoilers? Where?
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Mar 3 2008, 11:58 PM
[size=14]DO NOT POST SPOILERS WITHOUT WARNING[/size]

I'm not entirely sure if that was a spoiler but if it was, you're a dick.

[size=14]DON'T BACKSEAT MOD ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS NO NEED BECAUSE THIS IS PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART!!!!![/size]


I'm not entirely sure if that was backseat modding but if it was, you're a dick.
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Mar 4 2008, 11:25 AM
I'm not entirely sure if that was backseat modding but if it was, you're a dick.

:lol:

The card should be updated on the forum... Carlito got into the MITB (thank God that cunt Cody didn't made it there) and Finlay vs JBL is on the card now.

3 spots left on MITB, I think Morrison, Kane and either Miz or Noble will get into MITB.
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Card updated to reflect changes.
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