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Bret Hart Involved in Verbal Incident
Topic Started: Jun 29 2008, 11:04 PM (904 Views)
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Creative control doesn't give you the final say on what goes on


Except in the case of Hart's contract, it reportedly did. :\
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The thing is, if I remember correctly, Bret was fine with losing the title. I think he would have lost it to Shawn aswell, thats what I heard. But, just not a Survivor Series in Canada. He said the next night on RAW would have been fine.
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Jul 6 2008, 03:43 AM
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Creative control doesn't give you the final say on what goes on


Except in the case of Hart's contract, it reportedly did. :\

Final word over McMahon, I doubt it somehow.

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Creative control doesn't give you the final say on what goes on


Except in the case of Hart's contract, it reportedly did. :\

Final word over McMahon, I doubt it somehow.

I don't.

Also, what Mr. Shows said. Let the man who gave 13 years of his life for your company go out with a little big of dignity.
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You yourself said he claimed he'd drop to the belt to anyone but Michaels, that's a bit petty. Obviously the way he did go out was cruel but I think it was his attitude previous to Montreal that led to those events. He had a decent relationship with Vince up until then, a lot of people look at it as what Bret did for the company, what he gave, but Bret didn't get their without Vince McMahon. Vince put the title on him, propelled him to a level of stardom that even WWF couldn't afford, and when he couldn't afford to keep him there he done his level best to make sure Bret got the best deal possible at WCW... That's hardly the actions of an evil man
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Bret didn't get their without Vince McMahon


Ummm, heh, neither did anybody else. :-/

OOPS, forgot to quote.
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Uh...What?
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So he got there via McMahon? So what? McMahon only has a company because of the wrestlers that he employs. It's hardly a one way relationship either way, so there ought to be respect from both channels. McMahon gave Hart very little respect upon his exit, which is rubbish.

And while McMahon's actions before Hart left for WCW were pretty nice and all, I'd expect no less. Note also how he treated Hart from the end of that match onwards until Owen Hart died - no respect.

Don't get me wrong of course. If there was a guarantee that Hart was going to dump the belt in the bin on Nitro then I'd fully side with McMahon, but no signs point to that happening. Name me one instance in Hart's career that indicates that he'd stoop to that level.
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Yeah but his (Bret) attitude towards dropping it, added to the fact Alundra Blayze's contract went down the same route and we all knew what happened there... he (Vince) didn't even bother to bring the womens title back after that. I'm pretty sure Vince didn't think she'd stoop that low, but she did
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We're comparing Hart to Alundra Blayze, and the WWF title to the Women's title now?
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To me, it really doesn't matter what people think of Bret Hart the person. They can think whatever they want about him. But when it comes to how good a wrestle he was. That's a different story. The guy had a wonderful match with Yoko at WM 9. No one can say they have that honour. Bret could go out there and make the best of whatever situation he was in. He was the greatest in ring performer of all time, in my opinion. When you add other skills required, Stone Cold is the greatest wrestler of all time.
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Yeah that's the point, we all admire his wrestling ability but his bitching is ruining the legacy he's built.... none of us want to remember him for his constant bitching and moaning. At the rate he's going that's all he will be remembered for... and that's a shame
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Some people will remember him for his bitching. Some people are smart enough to remember him for being the Hitman.
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2+ decades of awesomeness versus a handful of bitchyness? No-one's gonna remember the latter.
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It's a little more than a handful if you ask me, I'm sorry, I loved watching him wrestle but everything i read from him annoys me.


"Screwed wasn't very good," Bret blasted. "My fans certainly wouldn't have liked it.

"It had a lot of guys slagging me off and making me out to be unprofessional, a bad businessman and saying they didn't know where my head was at the day of the Survivor Series."

Ugh yeah sure Bret it's the fans, who wouldn't have liked that... not you

Bret on Shawn Michaels: "He was certainly not an original, whereas a lot of the stuff I did was quite innovative."

If I do say so myself...

He's just so up himself it's unnatural
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Sure he's gonna say some things you don't agree with. So what? It's like with Booker T. He thinks he was the ratings. He thought he brought the ratings from Smackdown over to RAW when he was drafted. He also thought Booker vs Lawler at SSlam would have been a bigger draw then him vs the returning HHH. Booker is obviously very very stupid. But yet. I'm always gonna remember for the great entertainer that he is. Same for Bret. I'll agree Bret Hart doesn't like Shawn Micheals, and thinks he was done wrong. He was, plain and simple. He's still bitter about it. That's his choice. Sometimes I get a little annoyed with the way he comes off. But at the end of the day, I will always remember him as the Exellence Of Execution and not the Exellence of Over Selling, like some pretty boys I know.
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Excellence*

Michaels has made as much of an impact on the wrestling world as Bret...Ladder Match, Hell in a Cell, D-X I've always found Bret to be an excellent technical wrestler, didn't wrestle to a routine, but as far as entertainment goes Michaels was far better, and considering Michaels is still a pretty good wrestler, I think HBK is better overall. I could be biased though as seeing Michaels work with the likes of Jericho recently has restored by faith in wrestling.
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Sure it's a close call for some people. For me it isn't. I consider Bret a little better. Just my opinion.
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