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| Topic Started: Oct 11 2008, 04:30 AM (426 Views) | |
| Purple Marauder | Oct 11 2008, 04:30 AM Post #1 |
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I felt the need to get into this again. I'm going to go movie by movie here so take a seat. EPISODE 1 THE PHANTOM MENACE Other than the characters we have known like Obi Wan and Yoda, we got a couple of good characters here. You had Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Maul. They were great characters. And both of them died. I understand Qui-Gon's death more than Maul's. He was used too little and killed to soon. He was also the only interesting part of the 1st movie. Lucas should have saved him until part 3 and made Vader fight Maul for the right to serve the Emperor. The basic premise of the story was fine. The delivery was lacking. Every race was voiced as a racial stereotype. It's hard to take the aliens seriously when they sound like a KKK film. Mace Windu could have been a good character if Sam Jackson wasn't playing the role. As a calm, zen like Jedi, Sam Jackson is not your man. I won't even justify the Jar Jar Binks thing with a response. No need. What really pissed me off was the entire midi-chlorians thing. The Force was best as a mystical energy force that Jedi and Sith tapped into. Instead, we now get that Jedi are basically Scientologist. The best thing in Episode One EPISODE 2 ATTACK OF THE CLONES This story brought us Hayden Christensen as Anakin. His acting sucked. I have seen him in other movies and he did not do a bad job. But, as Anakin, he was terrible. The love story part of this movie was the low point. It seemed to move very fast and put the two of them together to move a plot line more than telling a good story. At the beginning of the movie, they see each other after a few years. Last time she saw him he was like 12. At the end of the movie, they get married. The interesting storyline was Obi-Wan's search and discovery of the clone army. The introduction of Jango and Boba Fett were strong points. For the most part, the Anakin/Padme story crashed this movie for me. The best thing in Episode 2 EPISODE 3 REVENGE OF THE SITH Okay, lets forget all the sub plots here and go right to my big grief here. Anakin turns for nothing. I know, people try to say it was built up well, but it wasn't. He has a couple o f dreams and feels that Padme is in danger. Then, Palpatine says he can teach him how to defeat death and he kills Mace Windu and swears an allegiance to Palpatine. This turns him so much that he goes to the Jedi Temple and kills a bunch of children? WTF? The best thing in Episode 3 (tie) EPISODE 4 A NEW HOPE Looking back on this movie and you have to admit, it's good but not great. Like most of the Star Wars movies, it has it moments and characters, but the story is only okay. Luke is basically a whiner. Han and Chewy were the big bright spots here along side Vader. The best part of this story was the rescue of Leia and the destruction of the Death Star. The best thing in Episode 4 EPISODE 5 THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK This is by far the best of the 6 movies to me. It was also directed by Irvin Kershner and not Lucas. It was also was written by Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett and based on Lucas's story. Tell you something? George is a good idea man, but he is the most overrated director and writer ever. Yeah, I said it. This movie was all about the Sith kicking ass. It was more of an action Sci-fi film than any of the others too. Lots of good stuff in this film: Luke finds Yoda and begins his training, the bounty hunters go after and capture Han Solo, Luke and Vader battle for the first time and Luke learns Vader is his father, Vader cuts off Luke's hand, Billy Dee Williams drinks Colt 45. It was awesome. And let's not forget the most pimp moment in the history of Star Wars: Leia: I love you. Han : I know. The bad? I just can't think of much. The best thing in Episode 5 EPISODE 6 RETURN OF THE JEDI The opening rescue of Han from Jabba started out good. Luke is a Jedi, Leia looked hot. What could go wrong? The baddest Bounty Hunter around, Boba Fett, accidentally gets hit and falls in a pit and dies. Really? That's how he goes out? Shame. Yoda dies and tells Luke there is another Skywalker. Ben tells Luke all about Vader and his story. The reveal of Luke and Leia being brother and sister...even after they kissed. The entire forest moon of Endor stuff made me want to puke. Teddy Bears? Really? WTF? Luke decides he has to face Vader, his father. They fight and the Emperor tries to turn Luke. I believed the turn of Vader back to the good because he loves his son much more than his turn to the darkside. The destruction of the second Death Star and death of the emperor were decent, but the celebration afterward...Teddy Bears? Really? WFT? And who was the band at that party, Yanni? The best thing in Episode 6 Was there ever a doubt? So there it is, the good and bad of Star Wars according to me. Rebuttals anyone? Edited by Purple Marauder, Aug 10 2013, 08:16 PM.
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| Kraul | Oct 11 2008, 04:51 AM Post #2 |
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I'll be getting on this eventually.
I just don't have the energy at the moment. Haha. |
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| Scottman22 | Oct 11 2008, 03:27 PM Post #3 |
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If you read some of the books Boba Fett actually escapes and lives and goes on to play a big role in the books. |
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| Jesus Omega | Oct 11 2008, 04:00 PM Post #4 |
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I thought those books were AU? |
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| Kraul | Oct 11 2008, 05:11 PM Post #5 |
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AU? Alternate universe? No, they're canon EU material. Boba goes on to do a ton of shit in the Star Wars universe post-Episode VI. |
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| Purple Marauder | Oct 11 2008, 05:31 PM Post #6 |
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I know. I have read some. But, this is a discussion about the movies. And, if Lucas wanted to, he can wipe out anything he wants from a book by making a movie. As far as I'm concerned, the books are basically a higher quality fan fiction. What happens there and in the comics has no bearing on the movies and the stories in them. |
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| Kraul | Oct 11 2008, 05:41 PM Post #7 |
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See now taking that approach is going to severely hamper the quality of all the storesi. I mean, what's next? Disregard the games and shows? Star Wars isn't a movies only thing. You're supposed to delve deeper into the EU if you want more than just a fun summer blockbluster to kill time watching for two hours. Most of the story is told through other means. Like the birth of the rebellion? It was told in The Force Unleashed video game. More backstory on the Clone Wars and General Grievous (who is given little intro in episode III)? The Clone Wars TV show. Star Wars is a whole different animal than regular movies. It's not supposed to just be about the movies and it never has been. And by taking just the movies in when thinking about or talking about Star Wars would be just like only taking in wrestling matches when watching RAW and disregarding the promos, vignettes, entrances, e.t.c.. It's just a piece of a much larger puzzle. One you can still enjoy on it's own, but is severely hurt without everything else. |
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| Purple Marauder | Oct 11 2008, 06:01 PM Post #8 |
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You are wrong. The Star Wars movies are the only legitimate Star Wars stories told. They are the ones that count. I enjoy the books, comics etc, but they do not matter. This is also a discussion about the movies. If you tell me that you have to read the books and play video games to understand the movies and make them better, then the movies must be worse than I thought. |
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| Kraul | Oct 11 2008, 06:03 PM Post #9 |
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Wow. You're ridiculously wrong. Next you'll say the prequels never happened and the original trilogy is the only real Star Wars... |
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| Purple Marauder | Oct 11 2008, 06:10 PM Post #10 |
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Why would I say that? They were all movies. You can read and enjoy any stories you want, but the fact is that Lucas, douchebag that he is, made these movies that told his story. The new cartoon movie and series probably get added to that too since he created them also. But, the books and such, while under his license, don't count. You think if he made the 7-9 movies that was rumored to have been part of the story that Han and Leia would have the twins etc? |
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| Kraul | Oct 11 2008, 07:23 PM Post #11 |
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Fact is though that Lucas green lights pretty much everything that comes out in the Star Wars universe, so it's not like say...Stan Lee and Spider-Man where he has a hands on experience for awhile and it eventually has nothing to do with him. Lucas gives the thumbs up for everything that happens story wise. So it's really no different than say Return of the Jedi or Empire Strikes Back. |
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| Purple Marauder | Oct 11 2008, 07:25 PM Post #12 |
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He gives the rights to let people write stuff about his characters and his universe, but he doesn't approve or disapprove of every book that is written. Fact is, if he wanted to, he could change everything that happened in novel form by making one movie. |
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| Kraul | Oct 11 2008, 07:51 PM Post #13 |
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He gives final say on most projects. He'll straight up deny or approve what characters people can write about or which characters can have what importance. He doesn't overlook every detail, but it's his place to say what happened when, if it happened at all. The movies are the ultimate canon, but they're not the only real canon. And anything in the movies can be erased or rewritten just as easily as a book or game. Don't believe me? I've got two words for ya: special edition. |
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| _DL_ | Oct 11 2008, 08:05 PM Post #14 |
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I still have nightmares about Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi. |
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| Purple Marauder | Oct 11 2008, 08:07 PM Post #15 |
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I did forget to say that Yoda's lightsabre duel was great. Cool moment in the films. |
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| Kraul | Oct 11 2008, 08:20 PM Post #16 |
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![]() Probably just a typo on your part, but it still reminded me of how people often type it like that despite that just being wrong. It'd be like calling Spider-Man "Spyder-Man" or some shit. |
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| _DL_ | Oct 11 2008, 08:51 PM Post #17 |
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I agree on the build up for Anakin's heel turn (lol), I thought it just fell flat. |
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| Scottman22 | Oct 16 2008, 07:56 PM Post #18 |
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George Lucas is ruining Star Wars ... I used to love it so much and even began to be a bit of a nerd with it but then he started pumping out all of this crap like Clone Wars, which by the way is a very very stupid show. He had two good ideas and he's beginning to ruin them both, so long good Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies ... you will be missed. |
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| MY85 | Oct 16 2008, 08:55 PM Post #19 |
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I thought Clone Wars (the cartoon) wasn't bad. Hey Purps, which are the best actors from each trilogy? Harrison Ford for the original trilogy and Ewan McGregor for the pre-trilogy? |
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| Kraul | Oct 16 2008, 11:24 PM Post #20 |
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New series or old? The original cel animation series from a few years back was absolutely wonderful. One of the best cartoons to hit television in awhile. It's only real downside was how short the episodes were for the first, I think, two seasons (there were three). The new, well...I've seen an episode of it and I'm not dying to see the next episode. Nothing seems to really blend well. It feels like a series of random animations and dialogue cut together. Very poorly edited. And I fucking hate Anakin's voice. Sounds nothing like him. The animation style is okay, but I prefer the original's look. |
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| Purple Marauder | Oct 16 2008, 11:32 PM Post #21 |
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There was only one really bad actor in any trilogy to me and that was Hayden Christensen. The good ones? hard to say because you have to look at the parts they played. No one besides Hayden (and Sam Jackson to me) didn't fit their roles. My favorites from the first series were Ewan McGregor, Liam Neesom and Ray Park. I know Ray didn't say a lot, but he played Maul perfect. It was mainly a physical role, but he did it well. The second Trilogy had good actors like Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams. Billy was just so damn smooth, he fit that role nicely.
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| CongestedThoughts | Oct 18 2008, 04:24 AM Post #22 |
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He made up for his mistakes in ROTJ, even though he started to on Empire. I've started watching the original trilogy again and am now back on Jedi. I seem to do so every 6-7 months, and I was thinking that the parts that still give me that shock feeling is when Vader says how he's his father, don't know but something about that just gets me feeling like WTF? There's a couple more throughout the trilogy that no matter how many times I watch them, it's something that just sticks out. I'm not one to read all the books and dive in that deep but from what I read both Knights Of The Republic games are good concepts as is The Force Unleashed. Having a Secret Apprentice story is just another thing that sticks out from alot of the books. Having the character come to life in some sort of live action series would be cool. Though if from what I've been reading about the upcoming live action series set for next year, I hear he could be part of it. It's still a bit foggy on whether or not how much of a part they'll have him play but its' said that the one who voiced him on the game whom you might have seen on Battlestar Galactica and a couple known movies is the front runner for the role. |
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| Kraul | Oct 18 2008, 08:05 AM Post #23 |
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I should hope so since he not only did the voice but the character was completely modeled after him. It wouldn't make sense to have that character and have anyone else play him. |
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| CongestedThoughts | Oct 18 2008, 04:17 PM Post #24 |
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Yeah that's true but you know some games if they were to make a movie out of it, they don't include the actor who voiced them in the game itself. |
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| Purple Marauder | Oct 31 2008, 01:37 AM Post #25 |
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I would like to revise some of the statements I made in this thread. Over the last couple of weeks, I watched the first 3 Star Wars movies again. It had been a long time since I had sat down and watched them with an open mind, but this thread made me want to do that. Here are my thoughts. Episode 1...no change. This movie is still terrible. Maul was still the best part. Episode 2: After watching this again, I can honestly say, I really got into the Obi-Wan part of the film. It flowed really well and I liked it a lot. The Anikin/Amadala storyline was still weak, but it wasn't as bad this time around. All in all a much better experience for me. Episode 3: Okay, this movie had one problem to me. I finally put my finger on it. It wasn't that Anikin turned quickly. They actually did a decent job of building up to that point. It was the scene where he turned. It was way too quick. He helps to kill Mace and then drops to a seat. The Emperor tells him some stuff and he pledges his undying allegiance to him. That moment should have been a much harder struggle a much more tormenting scene. It didn't payoff that way. The parts before and after that scene were good. That one scene hurt this movie. So after watching these 3 films again, I have to say that 2 & 3 were much better than I remembered. Maybe I was too pissed off at the time. But, there are still major flaws that could have made these films much much better. Edited by Purple Marauder, Oct 31 2008, 01:50 AM.
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| Jesus Omega | Oct 31 2008, 01:48 AM Post #26 |
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In the novelization of the film (which was edited extremely thoroughly by George Lucas himself), the scene was much longer. Anikin watched the duel between Mace and Palpatine for some time before he intervened, and his words with Mace were much longer. On top of that, his guilt over what he had done was greatly extended (as was his guilt for killing Dooku when he was unarmed, but that's irrelevant). And, as you said, it was a much harder struggle, and a more tormenting scene. I kind of wonder why George didn't put it in the movie, actually... |
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| Kraul | Oct 31 2008, 02:00 AM Post #27 |
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If anything, maybe it was because it made the movie darker in a way? They already seemed worried about it being too dark when it was coming out. Which is no doubt the reason why they made the droids so god damn annoying in Episode III. The voices were ruined and their personalities were turned into complete jokes. The B1's (the brown ones you usually see) were already kind of a joke, but they just went really over the top with it in III. And they even made the Super Battle Droids kind of a joke when they were supposed to be bad-ass (see how they act when taking on the Jedi in Episode II, knocking B1s out of the way and everything). The only droids that weren't comedy relief were the Magnaguards, which were pretty cool, if underused. |
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| Purple Marauder | Jul 12 2012, 04:32 AM Post #28 |
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| Purple Marauder | Aug 10 2013, 06:48 PM Post #29 |
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We have one for Star Trek, so I have changed the title of this thread to make it our Star Wars thread. You are welcome nerds. |
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| Purple Marauder | Dec 11 2015, 06:19 AM Post #30 |
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