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The Official Shimmer Discussion Thread
Topic Started: Jun 18 2009, 09:49 PM (1,657 Views)
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So, it's probably going to be me and Matty for a while but I wanted a place to talk about Shimmer. :lol:

I have just finished watching Volume 16. I have a lot of random thoughts on the first 16 DVD's.

Made me laugh to see Hornswoggle in the crowd and dance with Daizy Haze as she made her entrance in Volume 13 or 14...can't remember which.

The ending to the Kong vs Del Rey match was total crap. Both women were trying to get to their feet and Del Rey got up at nine and Kong didn't beat the 10 count. This was not a last woman standing match. When Del Rey got up at 9, that should have stopped the refs count and the match should have continued.

Melissa is basically the Benoit of Shimmer. She isn't killing people, but she is the one that always puts on a great match. She is also the one that women go through to get into the main even matches. I guess as long as she has a TNA contract, she won't hold the Shimmer title.

I hate Cindy Rogers. Not in the way you hate a heel, but in the way that makes me say...shit, a Cindy Rogers match. She is a pretty good worker and Allison Danger has spent about a dozen DVD's trying to make her a star, but she is a Shimmer midcarder at best. Maybe in a year or two, she can develop into something more, but right now...no.

Alexa Thatcher needs my penis inside her.

The thing that most of the Shimmer ladies need to work on is their promos. A few of them are pretty good at it, but a lot of them are not. Sara Del Rey is the least charismatic woman/champion I have ever seen.

If MsChif keeps a manager, she will do well. But, her screaming proves how much she fears a microphone.

I know she is not there anymore, but Lacey could have been the top heel of Shimmer for a long time. Her and Rain made a great team.

I like what I am seeing from Portia Perez and Nicole Matthews as a team. Portia is very over as a heel with the crowd. She can be a real player as the company grows.

That's all I can think of for now, but I'm sure I'll add more later.
Edited by Purple Marauder, Jun 18 2009, 10:49 PM.
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For Kong and Del Rey, I didn't see the end of that match (I had to go somewhere right as it was starting and later didn't feel like watching it, instead just going to the next volume) but it sounds like an attempt to keep both women from getting a loss without resorting to a double DQ.

Although if I would have been booking it, I think I would have had Lacey and Rain interfere, which could lead to a no contest and a tag team main event on the next volume - which would get around having to have Kong and Del Rey fight again while still leaving their match up as a no contest/double dq. The Minnesota Homewrecking Crew could have done their thing with Jetta on Volume 17 rather than 16 as a result.

I'm about halfway through Volume 16 as of today. I left off during Serena Deeb and Allison Danger vs Malia Hosaka and Lexie Fyfe.

But Portia and Lorelei Lee? I think you mean Portia Perez and Nicole Matthews. She fought against Lorelei Lee (and Ashley Lane, aka TNA's Madison Rayne) on Volume 15.

I definitely agree with the Alexa Thatcher part. I've become a very big fan of hers based on looks alone. She seems like a good wrestler too, though, so I'll probably stay a fan of her's.

Cheerleader Melissa's not being able to get the SHIMMER Championship due to her TNA contract is a huge shame. Out of the entire roster, she would probably be the best fit for the belt. In kayfabe, it doesn't make sense that she wouldn't be competing for the title regularly when she's one of the most dominant women on the roster. She's not much of a talker, at least character wise, so that could have been rough but since SHIMMER isn't too promo heavy (though more now than they used to be), I think she'd be okay especially when she does her talking in the ring.

As for Cindy Rogers, my biggest complaint with her since day one is that she just doesn't have much personality and flare. It's better now that she's a heel rather than a face, but she's still very bland although I think we'll see her improve in time. I think you're right about her being a midcarder, though. I could never see her being a regular in the main event. Honestly, I think she belongs in the lower midcard opening up shows with Amber O'Neal and Lorelei Lee.

My biggest pet peeve is her ring attire, though. She may be an indy wrestler but she doesn't have to look like an indy wrestler. She looks like she just took the first bits of ring gear available to her and went out there. Even the serious, no nonsense types had some personality in their gear (Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, etc). Her look doesn't scream serious wrestler, which is probably what she's going for, instead it screams "I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to presenting myself" - at least to me.

I am so glad I started watching SHIMMER last year, though. These DVDs have completely changed my favorites list and continue to do so. The newest additions to that list include Serena Deeb (who is probably in my top five wrestlers I like to see perform right now), Alexa Thatcher, Jetta, Sarah Stock and Eden Black (which I can't say enough how much it disappoints me that she's retired). It's kind of funny to watch my top list slowly be filled with women over men, especially considering how many male wrestling fans are so completely dead set against women wrestlers - mostly because of the mainstream company's attitude towards them.
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Jun 18 2009, 10:22 PM
But Portia and Lorelei Lee? I think you mean Portia Perez and Nicole Matthews. She fought against Lorelei Lee (and Ashley Lane, aka TNA's Madison Rayne) on Volume 15.
I clearly said Nicole Matthews. :weirdo:

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I'm watching Volume 17 as I type this. Shark Girl vs Nicole Matthews. Funny how they are completely talking like Shark Girl is making her debut. Curry Man would be proud.

I have become a big fan of both Serena Deeb (who I saw get her ass kicked by Kong in TNA) and Eden Black. I'm not sure why Eden appealed to me, but I really did like to watch her on the DVD's.

I have not been able to get into Jetta that much. Her teaming with The MHWC didn't help me like her and that is saying something.

Sarah Stock is one of my favorites too. I hope when she debuts with TNA, they know how to use her.

Oh, and for some reason, Allison Danger gets on my nerves. I know she is a good wrestler and one of the better promos on the show. I know she really hasn't used her position to further herself up the card or anything like that. But, for some reason, when I see her, I get annoyed. Maybe it's the fact that she is wrestling Cindy Rogers all the time. Hopefully she will get better in the next few volumes. But, she will be leaving soon enough I guess.
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Allison is the type that while I think she is really good and don't really have any complaints about at all, she needs an interesting opponent for me to really get into her matches. Put her in the ring against someone like Daizee or MsChif and I'll be paying close attention, but against someone like Cindy Rogers or Malia Hosaka? It takes a lot for me to not just skip the match.

In fact, if Serena wasn't in her match on Volume 16 (against The Experience), I probably would have skipped it.
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That's pretty much what I do with Amber O'Neal matches. :lol:

Also, I'm not sure why/how The Portuguese Princess Ariel is so high up the card. I guess she has more experience or something, but I still don't get it. In Volume 19 she is in one of the final matches vs Sara Del Rey. I don't get it.
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Ariel is another girl that's the exact same as Allison, for me. But I believe Allison is of a higher card quality than Ariel.

Ariel is good, but she's more of like a strong undercarder good. She helps maintain a great foundation for the show but isn't really the type to build the show around (i.e., to be featured in upper card matches). If the card has six or seven matches, then Ariel should be somewhere in the first three I think. Preferably around match number two or three.
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I agree with that. Seems like they have Amber O'Neal for the openers. See what the noobs can do. Then they move on to face Ariel if they do decent with Amber. If they do well vs Ariel then they can probably fit in on the roster well. Melissa is the Main Event test at this point. You have a good match with her, you probably get a title shot or at least Main Event matches with Daizy Haze and Sara Del Rey or MsChif etc...

Oh, yeah...I forgot. One of the funniest things is when Kong is introduced weighing in at "None of your damn business!" :lol:
Edited by Purple Marauder, Jun 18 2009, 11:43 PM.
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Especially since her face seems to always have a sort of smirk on it when it's said.

She's still in character and very serious, eyes locked on her opponent, but the slight smirk shows that she enjoys the audience's reaction to it (which of course they laugh out loud every time).

Speaking of Kong, it's jarring to see the same woman with the same appearance during the same time frame have two characters that, while on the outside are the same, are very different in practice. As Awesome Kong she's completely silent minus the screams and grunts and just acts bizarre at times. As Amazing Kong, while she's still a destructive force, she's more...normal and on the rare occasion she cuts a promo, she talks trash like anyone else. I'm not sure which version I prefer.
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I think I like the Ghetto Fabulous version that is in Shimmer. Okay, she's not that ghetto fabulous in her promos, but sometimes you can hear it. I like the fact that she is a monster that can actually cut a promo. It's limiting herself in TNA. It also has kept Melissa in her Manager role in TNA when she doesn't need to be.
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I think it's only a matter of time before Kong starts talking in TNA, or is released. One of the two will have to happen eventually. She can't be the silent monster forever.

The biggest shame about Melissa being stuck as a manager is that talking isn't even her strong point. Her strong point is what she does in the ring and she does it very well. That's what bothers me the most about them making her a manager is that it just doesn't make sense. If Melissa was someone who was known for their mouth and was good in the ring, like say Lacey, it wouldn't be as much of a head scratcher. But as it is, they're wasting her talent. She could no doubt put on some ridiculously awesome matches against women like Tara, but instead they'd rather have girls Angelina Love reign supreme and keep Melissa as a mouth.

Even more perplexing is that Melissa an attractive woman. Maybe not the traditional beauty wrestling fans are used to, but she is attractive. Yet they have her in a gimmick where she's covered up. So not only is her in-ring skills being pushed to side, but so are her looks all to favor her mic skills which are easily her least valuable asset. It's mind boggling.

Although I suppose one good thing is that all of this time on the mic will help her out in the long run and make her all that stronger of an all around talent. And since she's using a persona radically different than her own and is a masked character, so to speak, she could always "debut" later on and make a go as something more closely resembling Cheerleader Melissa with Raisha Saeed being treated as a completely different person.

Part of me wonders if that's not their plan all along, to groom her and prepare her for the big show as herself by making her work out there now hidden in plain sight, so to speak. Then again, I don't know if TNA is capable of such complex planning.
Edited by Kraul, Jun 19 2009, 01:28 AM.
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:lol: She just cut a promo on Impact right now. NICE!
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Oh, shit. I completely forgot about Impact. I've already missed a half hour and am watching a movie (30 Days of Night) and am about to watch True Blood (usually don't have these channels, but it's free preview weekend). I'll have to catch the saturday morning replay, I guess.
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Yeah, they already showed Raven, Daffney and Stevie.

By the way...just finished Volume 17 before Impact. Sarah Stock vs Lacey was great! As was the tag match Melissa/MsChif vs Dangerous Angels.

I just wish they ran a few more storylines than they do. Most of their cards seem to just be random matches thrown together.

And on an earlier discussion, I saw that on Volume 22 I think, Ariel gets a title shot. WTF? She gets a shot before Melissa? Melissa beat MsChif a couple of times in the early DVD's.
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Ariel must be one hell of a muff diver.

I'll probably be ordering a few more volumes tomorrow or in the next few days. I think I'll be getting 17-20. I tend to buy four volumes at a time. It doesn't break the bank and it gives me plenty of SHIMMER action to watch for awhile. I just can't wait until I'm completely caught up because buying two volumes or so every few months will be a lot easier than buying four and still being behind.
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:lol:

I know. I bought the big part I needed when they had their Black Friday sale. My Christmas present to myself. Now, I just have to keep up with the recent releases. Of course it would help if I actually watched all of them as they came in, but I had to take a break. There are only so many DVD's I can watch at a time.
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These aren't Shimmer Promos, but you get the idea of their abilities on the mic.

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I heard Kong's promo on Impact. It's pretty much what I expected to hear, with her being in her TNA character and all. It doesn't give much room for depth but meh.
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I just got through watching MsChif vs Nevaeh on RoH on HDNet. Pretty good match. I still find it funny that Shimmer and RoH are basically sister companies, even Dave Prazak announces for both of them, yet the storylines don't really cross over. Like MsChif is in The Age of The Fall with Jimmy Jacobs. She is basically a heel in RoH. But, in Shimmer, she is one of the more popular stars.
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Dave Prazak announced that SHIMMER star Portia Perez, one of my favorite female independent stars, will miss this weekend's DVD tapings after being diagnosed with swine flu. Our best goes out to my favorite Canadian Ninja for a quick recovery.
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It should have been Melissa. They have her set up for the next feud, but Shimmer never has a quick title change. That's such crap for Melissa.
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Honestly, I'm not expecting Eagles to have a long reign at all. Melissa will probably take the strap off her. I wouldn't sweat it too much, Purps.
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Recently released WWE Diva Serena returned to SHIMMER today as a surprise opponent for Kellie Skater.


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May 30 2010, 07:48 PM
Honestly, I'm not expecting Eagles to have a long reign at all. Melissa will probably take the strap off her. I wouldn't sweat it too much, Purps.
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SHIMMER is simply doing what their sister promotion ROH seems to like to do: go with a champion nobody really gives a damn about.

I really don't know what they're thinking.
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I think it goes alittle further than that. During her short time in WWE, I'm sure she made some fans which would bring in more people who actually want to follow her into watching SHIMMER. It's kinda a good idea. The same with ROH. Both Haas and Benjamin have made a good name for themselves which could only bring in more fans to watch not just them but to try and give more exposure to company itself.
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When was Madison Eagles in WWE? I don't remember that. Then again, I don't really pay attention to that company a lot anymore anyway so...

Edit: tried to look her up on Wikipedia, but she doesn't even have her own article yet. My poop from last night has it's own article but she doesn't... :-/
Edited by Kraul, Sep 13 2010, 05:39 AM.
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She has never been in the WWE. She had a tryout match once. Melissa has had way more national exposure than Madison ever thought of having. Madison is not bringing anyone into Shimmer. If you polled any random wrestling fan on who she was, they wouldn't even have a clue unless they followed Shimmer.
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Lol, just to clear up any confusion, I was referring to Serena.

My bad I should've specified who I was talking about. :grin:
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If you polled any random wrestling fan on who she was, they wouldn't even have a clue unless they followed Shimmer.
That was the complaint I had about ROH, too. Champions that only appeal to people that already follow the show don't do anything but to help service the fans that already exist. It does very little to nothing to bring in new fans.

ROH could have Daniels as their champ. A name that people who might be interested in seeing ROH but never have/seen little of probably know. But who gets to be champ? A nobody.

SHIMMER could have Melissa as champion or even make Serena Deeb a champion soon. They're girls with some recognizability factor and unless you're happy with the audience you already have and aren't too concerned about bringing in new fans, you probably should be going for that recognizability factor when it comes to the face of the company.

It's why TNA has had to have guys like Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Jeff Jarrett, etc around the main event for years. They've featured them while they build guys like Styles until they became good enough to be a main event feature themselves.
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I understand what you both are saying about how they need those certain names to help build the other up and comers but at the same time it also helps that the company builds around those that are already in it.

This is one of the problems with TNA at the moment, they have plenty of talent to make people take notice. Did anyone know who Flair was before he was made to bascially carry the NWA? Or even how you have people who've already established a decent name for themselves only to get pushed aside by the higher ups.

It really can factor on the person's own way of what they feel or perceives in their own vision as an alternative.
One of the few things that ROH has done better is make champions who are deserving. Yeah their production or even angles, matches etc, might not be all that since 05-06 but they still have guys who pretty much bust thier ass to get to where they are.

I have no idea why Shimmer doesn't have Melissa as champion. Perhaps she could have been given the chance at one point to be one but left to pursue other places (TNA). You never really know unless you're in the business so I guess we can only speculate as to why things are the way they are.

Another major difference between the Indy companies and the bigger ones is that it's not all political bs you have to sing and dance to.

All of this is already has been said in one way or another though.
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Sep 13 2010, 10:13 PM
I understand what you both are saying about how they need those certain names to help build the other up and comers but at the same time it also helps that the company builds around those that are already in it.
I never said that. I just said Melissa should be champ. Because she is awesome.
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