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| Jim Cornette on Eric Bischoff | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 15 2010, 02:47 AM (256 Views) | |
| Purple Marauder | Aug 15 2010, 02:47 AM Post #1 |
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| SRP76 | Aug 15 2010, 04:41 AM Post #2 |
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Cornette has a hair across his ass about Bischoff. Nothing unusual. Not that I'm coming down on Purps for posting this, though. You know you're my Memphis/USWA hero. What he said about WWE drawing based on being WWE ("like the Globetrotters") rather than an individual sounds a lot like what I said in another thread, doesn't it? Edited by SRP76, Aug 15 2010, 04:52 AM.
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| Kraul | Aug 15 2010, 04:51 AM Post #3 |
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I usually agree with Corny and once again, I find myself agreeing with him. I've been reading The Death of WCW lately and it's helped me to truly see just how inept Bischoff really is when it comes right down to it. He isn't a wonderfully talented guy, or some genius, or anything even that special - he was just willing to play dirty with a lot of money being fed to him and got lucky. His recent comments that slapped down the guys in ROH and guys on that level is just more of the same. It's exactly what he did back in WCW with guys like Jericho, Misterio, Benoit, and Guerrero. WCW was being headlined by Luger, Hogan, Nash, etc and they had proven that they could bring in money - but they under card guys never got that chance. We all know now that these guys not only could draw but draw very well, but since they hadn't already proven themselves in main events somewhere Bischoff got it into his thick head that it meant they weren't worth putting much energy into because "they couldn't draw". This is, of course, despite the undercard matches usually being the absolute best matches on the card and the undercard stars often getting a lot of fan support (just look at how over Raven or Jericho was). But instead of at least giving them a shot, the men with fragile egos did what they could to keep their top spots and Bischoff agreed with them. Bischoff is an idiot. He stumbled onto a good thing or two then proceeded to let the hottest pro wrestling company in history at the time turn into a complete and utter wreck because he quite simply does not know how to do his job. He knows stars can bring in ratings...but that's about all he knows. The wrestling world would have been better off without him if he would have just never returned after his Raw GM stint (the best thing he's ever done - and he was just playing a character written by someone else). |
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| SRP76 | Aug 15 2010, 04:59 AM Post #4 |
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How much of that is really true, though? WCW did do wonders for a long time with those guys headlining, no denying that. It wasn't until 1999/2000 that it started slipping. I read in WOW (World of Wrestling) magazine waaaaay back then, Hogan had an interview. He was getting into his feud with Kidman. He said that guys like Kidman were just then starting to get the balls to actually work with the top guys like Hogan, Luger, etc. As everyone knows, undercard guys aren't going to elevate unless/until they do just that: work with he top talent, and win. Now, I know 90% of what Hogan says is bullshit, but, if he's truthful here, those guys like Mysterio and Jericho would have nobody to blame but themselves. You can't get huge just working with other midcarders. |
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| Kraul | Aug 15 2010, 05:25 AM Post #5 |
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Well seeing that pretty much every single person that was involved in WCW that wasn't one of the people that others point the finger at in disgust (like Hogan, or Nash) has said similar things, and a huge chunk of their undercard roster was quitting or trying to quit because of the same reasons, I'd imagine it's very close to the truth.
It started slipping in at least early 1998. 1998 was the year WWF started to pull ahead and the year when fans started losing interest. Even back then their main events were considered crap. WCW had been using the same main events guys, give or take a few, for three years by that time and all of the major match-ups were already old news. Most of the people also were getting old and slow. It was the perfect time to start changing things up, but since Bischoff is a fool, he just stayed the course expecting what worked in 1996 to keep working far into the future. "Why fix what isn't broke?" Right? That's a mentality that always winds up screwing people over in the end when the times start demanding something new but the people calling the shots are too slow to act. Instead of building the stars for tomorrow while the stars he had were starting to slip, he just kept the spotlight on them full force like an idiot.
How were guys like Jericho or Misterio supposed to work with the main eventers if the main eventers refuse to work with them? Hogan saying that they were "finally getting the balls" or whatever is such crap. It's because of guys like Hogan that people like Jericho couldn't take a step up. Raven has said before that, despite being very popular during his run in WCW, Hogan would make sure to say that "oh this kid can't work. He can't main event", etc, etc. Hogan was afraid to lose his spot and had total creative control in his contract so he could insure this. Why else was Hogan involved with every major storyline and always coming out on top in the end? And guys like Nash weren't any better. The company was filled with a bunch of men past their prime that didn't want to leave the spotlight and whose egos were too fragile to admit that the new guys underneath them had potential to be better than them or to replace them. Maybe the undercard guys wouldn't have been able to hang with the other main event guys, but there was no way to know unless they were booked too. It isn't like it's a real competition where if you try real hard and stand out from everyone else, you'll succeed. It seems to have been quite the opposite. Stand out, dare to make some noise and not be Nash, Hogan, Luger, etc then you're going to get shut up. Jericho was getting over, so they tried to tuck him away, but he kept getting over. Jericho was supposed to be just another job to Goldberg, but he turned the whole thing into a hugely over "feud" that wound up making both Jericho and Goldberg look good at the expense of absolutely no one else. That right there should have screamed "this kid has something", but no. So what happens? He heads to the WWF and in his very first appearance goes head to head with The Rock and skyrockets in popularity. WCW could have beat the WWF in the ratings and buys for a much longer time if they had just adapted to the times, but they were stuck in 1995. If you watched an episode of Nitro in 1998 then watched one from two or three years earlier, you'd be seeing the exact same show. And that shit isn't going to fly. By the time WCW started to change at all (2000?) the damage had been done and the WWF was completely dominating. And remember, Bischoff was the same guy who thought guys with masks like Juvi or Rey weren't marketable. Ask Vince if Rey Mysterio and his mask is marketable or not... Also: the article says that this was posted on Corny's website, but I can't find it. In the fan questions, the newest one that pops up for my is from October 2009; in the commentary it's that cease and desist letter from TNA's lawyers from back in April. I thought for a minute I might have a reason to put his site back in my bookmarks... Edited by Kraul, Aug 15 2010, 07:18 AM.
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| Purple Marauder | Aug 15 2010, 03:42 PM Post #6 |
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Just for the Hell of it...Jim Cornette's first promo debuting as a manager. |
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| Kraul | Aug 15 2010, 03:56 PM Post #7 |
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Oh my god, he looks like he's starting to get hair in funny places and thinking about girls.
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