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| Let's Have an Argument; About Miz and Daniel Bryan | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 17 2010, 04:11 AM (827 Views) | |
| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 04:11 AM Post #1 |
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This started on the Summerslam thread last night, and kind of got sidetracked with discussion about murderers and PPV buys. So let's start again. We all see the following headline coming, in the very near future: Miz jobs the United States Championship to Daniel Bryan. Now, this makes me sick. Some of you love the idea. I have an idea for Miz that I personally would prefer, but for now let's just say I'm "against" the lying down for Bryan concept. So, who is "for" what seems to be WWE's plan, and who's "against" around here? |
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| _DL_ | Aug 17 2010, 04:21 AM Post #2 |
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All I would like to see is Miz either actually defend the title or drop it to someone else, whether it be Danielson or not. |
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| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 04:29 AM Post #3 |
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Well, can't disagree with that. But not Bryan, though. I see no use in them having any kind of feud, match, whatever. |
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| Purple Marauder | Aug 17 2010, 05:00 AM Post #4 |
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If they are going to put the WWE title on Sheamus, have Wade Barrett pin Chris Jericho (the first Undisputed champ & multi-time World champion) cleanly and Put the World title on Jack Swagger, then I see no problem at all having Miz lose the US title to Daniel Bryan. Miz still has the Money In The Bank case and is still one of the top heels on Raw, losing one match to Bryan and getting rid of the US title won't hurt him. And, it will help Bryan get over. So, what's your beef with it? |
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| MY85 | Aug 17 2010, 05:06 AM Post #5 |
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His beef: it's Daniel Bryan. INDYMAN! ![]() But I think SRP76 would have preffered to have Miz going after Cena. Seriously, it really won't hurt Miz to put over Bryan. Miz can afford to lose the US belt and then he can be focuseed to be part of the WWE Championship scene. He can easily regain his heat by cutting a promo and say he's awesome. Miz feuding with Bryan makes sense given their NXT past. |
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| Kraul | Aug 17 2010, 05:20 AM Post #6 |
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Miz is extremely over. WWE would have to go out of their way to bury him for him to lose any of his heat. A loss, especially to someone who is also very over and fits as his US Champion successor the best (Daniel Bryan), is not going to so much as leave a bruise on his momentum. |
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| In Brightest Day | Aug 17 2010, 05:34 AM Post #7 |
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It's only the United States title. Whats the big deal? Miz will lose it and go on to bigger and better things, while Bryan will have to prove himself in the mid-card. Who knows, he may join Miz in the main-event scene at some point down the line. Why are you so down on Daniel Bryan, SRP? You haven't even given him a chance to prove himself on the main roster. Edited by In Brightest Day, Aug 17 2010, 05:34 AM.
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| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 05:36 AM Post #8 |
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Alright, it seems those "for" are using the basis of "it won't hurt". I'm not focused on that. I'm saying, what's it help? Not one damn thing, that's what. It can help INDYMAN notch his belt, that's it. First off, what's INDYMAN done to deserve to go over probably your #3 guy in the whole company?! You're supposed to earn that. It won't "hurt" INDYMAN to work with other midcarders for a while, rather than immediately feud with a main event guy. If INDYMAN were, say, your #4 draw right now, no problem. But he's not close to that right now. Let him get there first, then eat your top guys. If he does get there. Not feuding with INDYMAN would also free up Miz for other things. I've had an idea for over a year now that I'd like to see, but didn't see a guy that it would fit. Miz is that guy, finally. Oh, and I'm not down on INDYMAN. I'm just not nearly as up on him as some of you. I don't consider him a Top 10 guy. Edited by SRP76, Aug 17 2010, 05:37 AM.
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| MY85 | Aug 17 2010, 05:37 AM Post #9 |
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So you want Miz to be both WWE Champion and the US Champion at the same time by the end of WrestleMania XX-Seven?
That didn't stop the 'E from pushing wrestlers (good or bad) to championship reigns really fast before. Edited by MY85, Aug 17 2010, 05:43 AM.
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| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 05:45 AM Post #10 |
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Oh, very, very, VERY true. But this is just on this one issue, not WWE in general. If we looked at all the WWE booking strangeness, we'd need a billion-character post limit. |
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| Purple Marauder | Aug 17 2010, 05:52 AM Post #11 |
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So your basic argument for not letting Bryan beat the Miz for the title is because you hate Daniel Bryan? Okay. Miz doesn't need the US title anymore. Bryan does. The fans are supporting Bryan. When the fans pick out someone they like and cheer him, the smart thing to do is push him. See how well he does against better competition and being further up the card. I like the Miz. I would have made him WWE champ a long time ago when he first called out Cena every week. But, he is not in the top 3 guys in the WWE. He could be, but not yet. The Miz/Bryan storyline was the most interesting thing about NXT. It brought in a lot of viewers to that show. They have never paid it off. That's what they are doing now. It's actually smart booking on the WWE's part...finally. |
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| In Brightest Day | Aug 17 2010, 06:02 AM Post #12 |
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I just don't see what the problem is, SRP. The feud doesn't hurt ANYONE. It makes Bryan look legitimate while Miz will move onto bigger and better things. Unless you would rather Miz cash the MITB right now, which is really just personal preference. Putting Danielson in the mid-card isn't overrating him. In fact, most would probably say that would be underrating him (that's not something I necessarily agree with, just to clarify). I would agree with you if Miz was the WWE Champion right now, but he isn't. He's still has the U.S title at this point. I don't know about you, but I'd take a Daniel Bryan-Miz feud over another Miz-R-Truth or Miz-Morrison any day of the week. Evan Bourne or Mark Henry wouldn't be too bad, but this angle just has so much momentum at this point that theirs absolutely no chance of those feuds ever coming into fruition. Edited by In Brightest Day, Aug 17 2010, 06:05 AM.
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| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 06:03 AM Post #13 |
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Um, no. I thought I made that clear. And no, he doesn't "need a title". Try having maybe 5 matches first before breaking out the gold for him (or anyone). Hell, try even getting more over than Evan Bourne first, before getting a title. And Bourne's not exactly Orton-level over, you know.
If he wants to look legitimate, there's a long list of guys that he can murder on the way up. That list doesn't start with Miz, it may end there. MITB does factor into my thinking, as does Miz getting rid of the midcard belt. But I would have let this feud die, and be replaced simultaneously with Miz vs. Cena or Orton (probably Cena; either of which gets placed on hold as soon as it starts), and Bryan vs. Nexus (for now; Alex Riley would replace that in Miz's stead afte NXT, so Miz could still be down the road). A lot more goes into it, but I'll post the long rant later. Edited by SRP76, Aug 17 2010, 06:13 AM.
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| MY85 | Aug 17 2010, 06:07 AM Post #14 |
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That shouldn't be hard nowadays, eh? ![]() I like Bourne, but the guy got fucked the moment he got injured while on ECW and then being drafted to Raw and getting misused. |
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| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 06:17 AM Post #15 |
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Bourne's still popular when he shows up, but they haven't had him on tv much lately it seems. |
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| In Brightest Day | Aug 17 2010, 06:27 AM Post #16 |
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The Miz-Bryan feud is waaaaay too hot to just let die. Their was absolutely no chance of that happening. I'm genuinely excited for this feud anyway (I'm not the only one) so I'm a happy, happy boy at this point. Edited by In Brightest Day, Aug 17 2010, 06:27 AM.
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| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 07:18 AM Post #17 |
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Alright, here's my plan for what I've wanted to see for more than a year: Everything that follows revolves around the return of the Undisputed Championship, and creating a new #1 heel in WWE. Keep that in the back of your mind. Rewind to Summerslam, just before Miz runs out to attack Bryan. All things start at this point, and go step by step. 1. Miz doesn't come out. 2. Bryan gets eliminated through normal course (probably double-countout with Gabriel), boiling the match down to just Cena. 3. When Super Cena thinks he's going over for the billionth time, that's when Miz attacks. He costs Cena the match. Nexus goes over, like they should have in the first place. Miz does NOT carry the MITB case here. Or EVER AGAIN. This is vital. Bascally, we want fans to forget he has it. 4. Miz makes clear the reasoning. He's not good enough for Cena, Cena didn't want him, well fuck Cena. Now Cena pays. Simple premise. 5. On Raw, all other storylines continue. Bryan gets fucked in his match some other way, not by Miz. Like the rest of "Team WWE", his beef with Nexus just goes on from there. 6. Super Cena again does not go over. Nexus remains 7 guys. Miz costs Cena this match, too. Instead of Bryan getting a beatdown from Miz, Cena gets it instead. 7. August 23 Raw. Taped, so we don't get anything big. Miz-Cena mouth running, Miz attacks Cena again at some point. 8. August 30 Raw. Miz promo, runs down Cena, gets cut off. Anonymous GM. Due to his repeated attacks on Super Cena, Miz is hereby suspended from Raw for 60 days (Raw only loophole lets him continue on NXT, so he's still seen). Miz goes apeshit, smashes Cole's stupid little computer. End of Anonymous GM bullshit, thank God. Miz is now even more awesome. 9. September 6 Raw. Since Miz is suspended, he can't defend his U.S. Title. Can you say "stripped"? This is how the belt gets off him. Tournament for vacant U.S. Title announced. You want Bryan to be champion? Here's his route. Of course, Nexus will be involved, as well as others. Champ crowned at Night of Champions. 10. Miz serves suspension. 11. November 1 Raw. Miz returns. Guess who gets attacked? Miz-Cena program for Survivor Series. 12. Miz-Cena feud goes any way you want until January. As long as Cena doesn't repeatedly squash him. 13. Royal Rumble. IMPORTANT. Miz wins the Royal Rumble. Get ready, because he's going to now be talking more shit than ever. 14. Miz doesn't name his "champion" for WrestleMania until after whatever shitty PPV WWE has in February. 15. After February PPV. Miz is by now a massive heel freight train, with huge momentum. Time to name his champion. 16. Smackdown champion. Oh wait, he's not done. Miz breaks out MITB case. Remember this? Miz will also challenge the WWE Champion. It's a triple threat at WrestleMania, winner take all, the return of the Undisputed Championship. Miz will "make history, fulfill my destiny". You know how he's always talking about that. And why? Because he's the Miz, and he's awesome. 17. WrestleMania. Here's the swerve that blows him up to what he needs to be. MIZ DOES IT! The first Undisputed Champion since Brock Lesnar! Miz is about to get handed the belts... ...and never touches them. A face won the WM MITB match (hopefully the last one ever) earlier in the night. He cashes in on the exhausted Miz. Miz loses Undisputed Title only a minute after winning it. Mania ends with a face (appropriately for WM) gettin the balloons and confetti and whatnot. Just to give you guys an indygasm, imagine Bryan being that face. Highly unlikely he'd be over enough to warrant the position by then, though. At this point, Miz goes fucking batshit crazy on Raw the next night, due to having his "destiny" stolen, his one big moment ripped away. Dude snaps. He's now not only awesome, but extremely dangerous in his jealous craze. He will now have surpassed all other heels by a wide margin, and we can start phasing out the older guys. That becomes your 2011 summer program. The obsessed, lunatic Miz chasing that Undisputed Championship. Does he get it? That's up to you. |
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| MY85 | Aug 17 2010, 07:31 AM Post #18 |
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Very interesting. Chances of it happening? Highly unlikely. Seeing how WWE goes, Miz might cash it in at Night Of Champions. Edited by MY85, Aug 17 2010, 07:35 AM.
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| _DL_ | Aug 17 2010, 06:49 PM Post #19 |
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18. The Miz unifying the World titles forces Mr. Mcmahon to end the brand split. |
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| Kraul | Aug 17 2010, 07:44 PM Post #20 |
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I like that plan for Miz a lot. It'd pretty much cement him in the main event for the remainder of his career, too. I just want to say that you said Bryan would never be over enough by WrestleMania to be undisputed champion, but it's happened before. Look at Brock Lesnar. Lesnar started out without any heat and as a complete unknown in March 2002 and beat The Rock (The freaking Rock) for the Undisputed Championship at SummerSlam 2002 and stayed in the main event as one of the most over people for the remainder of his WWE career. Daniel Bryan is already hugely over for someone unknown to the majority of the "WWE Universe" a year ago and has proven throughout the rest of the wrestling world that he can hold up under pressure, so if WWE takes care of him right, he very well could be at a main event level by WrestleMania. Would he be a great undisputed champion? That's debatable, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him being a contender by then. |
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| MY85 | Aug 17 2010, 08:29 PM Post #21 |
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If Daniel Bryan doesn't get fired, he could be part of the MITB match (assuming WWE doesn't axe the MITB match from WrestleMania so they can have their MITB PPV). If he has to win it or not, that's another discussion. But he would be useful to make the match entertaining or great. |
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| Kraul | Aug 17 2010, 08:34 PM Post #22 |
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Well they don't have Shelton Benjamin anymore, so there's at least one spot that will be open for the next one. Expect to also see: Christian, Matt Hardy, and either Mark Henry, Kane, or another "big man" like Kozlov. |
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| TheObserver | Aug 17 2010, 09:47 PM Post #23 |
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It maybe true that Bryan has something to prove but I don't think it's fair to perceive someone just cause they haven't been in WWE that long. It sounds alot like Cole who just gets to the point where I have to change the channel. Perhaps it could be also that SRP hasn't seen anything outside of WWE and just how good Bryan is. It's pretty obvious though if guys like Cena and even Orton are asking why he got release in the first place, shows that he must have the right people putting good word on him. I no doubt aswell as anyone knows how over Miz has gotten but Bryan has yet to scratch even a surface in WWE. It was do to personal conflicts is why he was let go to begin with. But then you could look at it as a master plan that no one knew but Vinny. Besides the past speaks for itself, there hasn't been that many smaller wrestlers who were given that chance until they were well into their career. Also they plan as it was suppose to play out was for Bryan to win NXT but do to creative swerving everyone, it didn't happpen. There was even suppose to be a feud with Miz over the US belt that never came about with Bryan eventually coming out on top. The US belt isn't really worth anything now. Why have a secondary belt if you're not going to even defend it which is the basis of being a champion. Or atleast it was. It really comes down to who you know. Before the Hart Dynasty was put together, when the Legacy angle came around. Davey Hart Smith was asked to team with Tyson, he didn't want to and wanted to be put with Orton but when that didn't happen, his last choice was to be with Kidd. It wasn't until Bret came back that they were even considered to be champions and the fact that there are hardly any tag teams in WWE. Just look at Sheamus, who still has yet to have a good match but do to his relationship with HHH, he's already a 2 time champ so it shouldn't be a problem if other ones who have stroke want Bryan in. After all we have no control over what happens. Edited by TheObserver, Aug 17 2010, 10:21 PM.
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| Kraul | Aug 17 2010, 09:58 PM Post #24 |
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I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread already in progress. Edited by Kraul, Aug 17 2010, 09:58 PM.
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| TheObserver | Aug 17 2010, 10:14 PM Post #25 |
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Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways Kraul.
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| Kraul | Aug 17 2010, 10:30 PM Post #26 |
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I couldn't resist.
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| SRP76 | Aug 17 2010, 11:45 PM Post #27 |
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Quite frankly, I'd bet Cole deserves a lot of credit. Before NXT, how many internet/ROH junkies do you really think were filling WWE arenas "spreading the word" about Bryan? Not too many. A heel announcer (that would be Cole) ripping him constantly on tv did more to get him over with WWE fans than all his previous employment combined, I guarantee it. Fans will automatically flock to a guy that a heel tears into all the time, just as much as they do when a face announcer constantly gives him verbal blowjobs. It was smart to have Cole do that.
Heres where Cybrus storms in and yells, IT'S A WORK! about 5 times.
Sheamus is an entirely different entity. Also, what Kraul was saying about Lesnar. They got over by simply destroying guys, and looking like they could actually do so in real life. It's not hard to get the crowd reacting to a monster who breaks peple in half. But Bryan is simply not a person that can be booked that way, any more than people would buy that "Rey took out Undertaker". |
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| MY85 | Aug 18 2010, 12:18 AM Post #28 |
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Happen. ![]() Come on, Bryan was over enough with the crowd to not really need to win NXT to continue in WWE. People like Barrett needed to win the Season more than Bryan to get over and stand out. |
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| TheObserver | Aug 18 2010, 01:54 PM Post #29 |
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I agree with the other things you mentioned. This is the only part I wanted to say something about. Hmm...I think it just musters up to who you know and is willing to speak up which is just the basis of how I were to decribe this situation with Bryan. Just saying that if it weren't for certain higher ups, certain people wouldn't get the chance they have now which is all I'm just saying. Also in comparison to Lesnar, he was atleast 5x better than Sheamus. He actually had the ability to back up anything WWE put in front of him and didn't have to rely on politics to get to where he had gotten. His background also help defy his character. But after a while it got to be to much for him to handle from what he says. |
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| Cableguy15 | Sep 11 2010, 05:23 AM Post #30 |
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Bumping this since it's pretty much confirmed to happen now. Miz is probably going to lose at this PPV or the next one to Bryan. Quite frankly I sort of have the same attitude about this as SRP. I think a lot of internet fans are letting what they've seen from Danielson outside the WWE get to them. It reminds me of when CM Punk first joined WWE and people assured me that he was great on the mic and that he deserved the monumental push. But wouldn't you know it, he was pretty bad on the mic for a while and I really didn't like him until he turned heel. I think that if Miz is going to lose the US title to Bryan, they should draw the feud out a little more than just Night of Champions. It'd be pretty stupid to just hand Bryan the title in what would really be one of his first matches in wwe. Not to mention it still takes away from Miz's credibility if he loses to a "rookie" (In kayfabe) like Bryan. How can anyone take a Champion like that seriously?
This is one thing I used to claim a lot back in my tv.com days, but in the end you have no proof that Sheamus used politics or that HHH helped him get anywhere. Likewise, we don't know how Brock Lesnar got his enormous push or why. What's to stop me from saying, "That damned HHH, using his politics to get Lesnar his huge push."? Nothing, nothing at all. All we have are rumors and wrestling sites who just want to put out some interesting stories. Neither of which hold any weight. Or maybe I'm missing something. I've never heard anything concrete (Like a video or something) that says Sheamus was involved in backstage politics. Sheamus has done a damn good job so far too. Brock Lesnar basically thrived on burying his opponents and dominating them (Though I will say he had a lot of great moments in his short time and would love to have him back in wwe). Sheamus is already at the point where he's taking losses in stride, basically putting other guys over from time to time as well. I'd take him over Lesnar any time. Edited by Cableguy15, Sep 11 2010, 06:15 AM.
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