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Let's Have an Argument; About Miz and Daniel Bryan
Topic Started: Aug 17 2010, 04:11 AM (826 Views)
SRP76
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The Man. Any Questions?
Cableguy15
Sep 11 2010, 05:23 AM
Likewise, we don't know how Brock Lesnar got his enormous push or why. What's to stop me from saying, "That damned HHH, using his politics to get Lesnar his huge push."? Nothing, nothing at all. All we have are rumors and wrestling sites who just want to put out some interesting stories. Neither of which hold any weight. Or maybe I'm missing something. I've never heard anything concrete (Like a video or something) that says Sheamus was involved in backstage politics.

It's pretty simple why Lesnar got pushed, politics or not. Just look at his MMA record. He was shot to the moon because he's a legitimate badass that really could plow through the roster. And since he was a former NCAA champion, most of the audience knew it. Much like when Ken Shamrock entered the WWF, the fans expected him to kick ass, not to get whipped by "sports entertainers". So when they sent him out there to destroy DDP and Rikishi, fans accepted it. Things just went on from there.

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Sep 11 2010, 07:00 AM
Cableguy15
Sep 11 2010, 05:23 AM
Likewise, we don't know how Brock Lesnar got his enormous push or why. What's to stop me from saying, "That damned HHH, using his politics to get Lesnar his huge push."? Nothing, nothing at all. All we have are rumors and wrestling sites who just want to put out some interesting stories. Neither of which hold any weight. Or maybe I'm missing something. I've never heard anything concrete (Like a video or something) that says Sheamus was involved in backstage politics.

It's pretty simple why Lesnar got pushed, politics or not. Just look at his MMA record. He was shot to the moon because he's a legitimate badass that really could plow through the roster. And since he was a former NCAA champion, most of the audience knew it. Much like when Ken Shamrock entered the WWF, the fans expected him to kick ass, not to get whipped by "sports entertainers". So when they sent him out there to destroy DDP and Rikishi, fans accepted it. Things just went on from there.

I'm not really saying that Lesnar used politics to get his push. I'm saying that I could just as easily spread the rumors and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the internet fans bought it. Everyone is so convinced that there's certain guys who basically control what they want backstage, but I haven't seen any real proof yet.

And I mean videos. If we go by those, "The clique" and Hogan are the only ones I can think of where anyone complained about their politics.
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HUGE BUMP!!

Okay, you Bryan lovers, where's INDYMAN now, huh?! He's great, right? WTF happened?! Why isn't he the World Champion?

That's right, everyone's forgotten. The fans don't give a shit about INDYMAN. He sucks.

Give the devil his due, now. Daniel Bryan was overrated.

- Sorry, just felt like being a massive dick tonight.
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Believe it or not, there are actually a small number of fans that think he's going to win the SD! MITB match. :-/

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MY85
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Mainstream people... they are the ones who likes Cena, Orton, Justin Bieber, Lionel Messi, Twilight, Transformers, etc.

:P

I know the guy won't amount to much, but having him feud with Ted DiBiase was suicide for someone like Bryan. Cody Rhodes is going to go through the same, I think.
Edited by MY85, Jul 4 2011, 05:02 AM.
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Well, Orton is currently the best over all performer in wrestling today, so it makes sense why people like him. :wink:
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MY85
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All people/things/stuff that I listed there are either overrated or shitty. :tu:
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Cybrus
Jul 4 2011, 04:57 AM
Believe it or not, there are actually a small number of fans that think he's going to win the SD! MITB match. :-/

Believe it or not, I wouldn't mind that. Two reasons:

1. The SD title is irrelevant as shit, so Joe Shmoe could be champ for all anyone cares.

2. Someone has to fail cashing in. MITB itself is fail. The thing's more played the hell out than Hotel California. Time to end it. If Bryan fails the cash-in, at least he'll be known for something.

EDIT - who the fuck is Lionel Messi?!
Edited by SRP76, Jul 4 2011, 05:04 AM.
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Except for Orton, which you are sourly wrong about. Completely wrong about. Should hand in your "wrestling fan" card for being so utterly wrong about.
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MY85
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I still don't see anything special about Orton at all. Wrestling skills and mic skills? Many are better than him. Heel skills? Same.
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MakeYourself85
Jul 4 2011, 05:05 AM
I still don't see anything special about Orton at all.
That's because you are one of those silly internet fans that will hate on absolutely anything because it is popular. I bet if I look through past threads, I can find comments from you praising Orton for how much better he is than most others. Yet, since he is one of the most popular wrestlers in the world right now and since he is one of the two hardest pushed wrestlers in WWE right now, then all you're ever going to say is negative thing about him.

However, anyone that actually watches knows that he's one of the absolute best right now. Especially since moving to SD!, he's been having the most talked about wrestling matches each month, has improved his mic skills, and is insanely over. Hmm, good wrestler, good talker, and very popular. Yup, that's the three elements to being a good wrestler.
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SRP76
Jul 4 2011, 05:03 AM
EDIT - who the fuck is Lionel Messi?!
A very famous footb... soccer (Americans... *sigh*) player. I'm sickened of this guy thanks to everyone nuthugging him to death and praise him like a God. In Barcelona he works well well thanks to Xavi and Iniesta (Google/Youtube them). In Argentina, not so much.

Should have used another example for overrated athlete. Would Lebron James work for you?
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MY85
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Cybrus
Jul 4 2011, 05:08 AM
MakeYourself85
Jul 4 2011, 05:05 AM
I still don't see anything special about Orton at all.
That's because you are one of those silly internet fans that will hate on absolutely anything because it is popular. I bet if I look through past threads, I can find comments from you praising Orton for how much better he is than most others. Yet, since he is one of the most popular wrestlers in the world right now and since he is one of the two hardest pushed wrestlers in WWE right now, then all you're ever going to say is negative thing about him.

However, anyone that actually watches knows that he's one of the absolute best right now. Especially since moving to SD!, he's been having the most talked about wrestling matches each month, has improved his mic skills, and is insanely over. Hmm, good wrestler, good talker, and very popular. Yup, that's the three elements to being a good wrestler.
I may have praised Orton a few times, sure. But most of the time, I don't find him to be that special. He's improved, yes. But he's not #1 as a face or heel or in wrestling skills as his fans flat-out insist that he is.

I also liked popular wrestlers too. HBK, Austin, Jericho... okay, not the best examples since you mentioned current names, but I'm not a full-fledged anti-mainstream person in everything.

It'd be pointless to argue the Orton thing, we'll never change opinions about him. You used to hate him before, but I haven't seen that much of a extremely drastic change in Orton except for a few moments.
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MakeYourself85
Jul 4 2011, 05:13 AM
you used to hate him before,
That is true. Orton used to be my most hated wrestler. But that's back when he was bland, boring, had no skills and was pushed to the moon just because of his last name. But I became a fan of his when he finally started showing actual skill and dedication. He is fully into his character. He is good on the mic. He's good in the ring. And he's extremely over. Everything needed in a wrestler.
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Jul 4 2011, 05:08 AM
I bet if I look through past threads, I can find comments from you praising Orton for how much better he is than most others. Yet, since he is one of the most popular wrestlers in the world right now and since he is one of the two hardest pushed wrestlers in WWE right now, then all you're ever going to say is negative thing about him.

Can't say that about me. :lol:

I've never been into Orton. In fact, that's the one thing we had in common WAY back. Talking the tv.com days, here! You have warmed to Orton, but I haven't.

He may not be a chinlock machine anymore, but I find his matches "meh", he still speaks in monotone, and still says nothing of interest (more on that in a moment). His feuds? Forgettable.

I will admit, he's the most over guy right now. He's just not over with me. He may be the best, but I consider this a very weak crop of guys to stand out against.

Promos - here's the sticking point. Whatever he says, it's forgotten immediately, since it's just bland. Now, Jake the Snake once said, "those who emulate evil ALWAYS surpass the example set; those who strive to do good always fall a little bit short." Now, you go to bed tonight, and you'll still be thinking about that in the morning. You do NOT get that sort of thing out of Orton.
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MY85
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The one thing I found somewhat memorable about Orton was earlier in 2009 when he punted Vince, but most of the set-up for that moment was thanks to Vince. Sparked me some interest in Orton. Then he wins the Rumble... and then he feuded with Shane McMahon. Shane killed any interest I had in Orton and despite his popularity nowadays, Orton hasn't done anything to interest me.

Like SRP said, Orton isn't exactly memorable. If he could cut a promo like CM Punk did recently, then yes. But his mic skill is still mediocre to this day.
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With Orton's character, it's not about what he says in promos that makes his promos good. With Orton's character, it's how he reacts when other people are talking to him that makes his promos good. It's his facial expressions. His body movement. He has this slow, methodical approach to him. That's what stands out. That's what gets the reactions.

Another thing, MY, it sounds like you are saying that since you don't think Orton is one of the all time greats that you don't like him at all. That's silly. I don't think Orton will rank very high on many "Top" lists. No, he doesn't measure up to the badass that Austin was. No he doesn't have the verbal skills of The Rock. No, he's never going to be as good in the ring as an HBK or Kurt Angle. But he's still one of the best right now. A wrestler needs three skills to be good. He needs to talk, which Orton can. He needs to wrestle, which Orton can. And he needs to be able to draw the fans into whatever he's doing, which Orton obviously can. Not one of the all time greats, but the best right now.
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MY85
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For the current crop in WWE, CM Punk would be ny current #1 wrestler of preference and this isn't just because of his recent promo. He works well in the ring, can get heel heat very well and can be a reliable worker.

Anyways, this is a Bryan topic... but we're talking about Orton. Now that should say people don't care about Bryan, but that's due to me name-dropping and Cybrus reacting against it because he likes him and somewhat finds it baffling that I have yet to like him.

When I mention to many that I don't like Orton, it's like I killed someone. :lol:

Going back to the Bryan thing... don't mind if he wins MITB, but right now they just moved him and his former NXT rookie to the 5th season of NXT. Probably WWE could push them both as a tag team.

The Bryan thing... also a big problem WWE has is creating babyfaces.
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But he was trained by the Heartbreak Kid! :uhoh:
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That's probably the problem. Everyone that came out of that school is/was a failure.
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I preferred heel Orton, only because at least then he seemed to have some sort of character to him. Now he's just going too hard to be the "cool badass".

But I do prefer the bearded look to the bald Orton.
Edited by _DL_, Jul 7 2011, 12:43 AM.
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