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| The Nostalgia Thread! | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 15 2010, 10:02 PM (2,331 Views) | |
| MY85 | Sep 20 2010, 08:57 PM Post #61 |
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Nirvana is both great/good and overrated at the same time when you think about it. I'd say Pearl Jam overall is far superior than Nirvana as far as grunge goes. |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 09:00 PM Post #62 |
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You know, I used to be in that boat who thought Nirvana was overrated because "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was overplayed and I heard so damn much about it. But then I heard their Unplugged cover of "Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sunbeam", and instantly became hooked. So yeah, I think they are both overrated and underrated at the same time. |
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| MY85 | Sep 20 2010, 09:01 PM Post #63 |
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Radios: "Nirvana, one of the greatest bands of all time!" Song played: Smells Like Teen Spirit or Come As You Are. How predictable and annoying.
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| Jesus Omega | Sep 20 2010, 09:05 PM Post #64 |
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So pretty much, you're saying that "they're good because the MEANT to suck. The entire point was to not be good." That's not being revolutionary. Revolutionary is indicative of doing something that wasn't ever heard before. Playing around with the sounds that electric guitars made was revolutionary. Layering music with Multi-track recordings was revolutionary. Those were things that made music different, and opened the eyes of many many artists, and are still techniques that are employed in music today, regardless of genre. But the grunge movement failed because people eventually realized that the music was amateur. Even bands like Pearl Jam, who thrived from the movement, changed the very nature of their music so much, that they actually SWITCHED GENRES. It's not good MUSIC, and that's the issue I have. It was popular for a while, and still is to an extent, but it's not GOOD. There's nothing good about it. But it's okay, just because something sucks ass doesn't mean you can't like it, or that it won't be popular. Like Borat. Face it, they blow. btw: I did mention earlier that they were unique in that they made shitty music popular. |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 09:07 PM Post #65 |
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Exactly, MY. I still don't consider "Smells Like Teen Spirit" even close to one of my favorite Nirvana songs. Same thing with "Come As You Are." I mean they're good songs, but I don't think they portray the emotion of what they (and especially Kurt) were. I mean if you want a great Nirvana songs, get into "All Apologies" or listen to the emotion he puts into the cover of "Where Did you Sleep Last Night?" Say what you will, but unlike many other bands from that time or this time, you can actually hear the emotion in his voice when he sings, and I think that's what puts him ahead of so many. He doesn't sing well, but on many songs, his singing gets you all worked up.No, my point was that their imperfections is what made them work so well. They were coming off the 80's hair band era, where you have the high-pitched screaming and 80's pop with synthesizers and stuff like that. Nirvana was, in a sense, going a step lower than that stuff. They didn't try to act perfect with every single note they sang or played. Actually I should say Kurt didn't himself, because I consider Grohl a great drummer (and overall great musician since I was actually a fan of the Foo Fighters long before I ever got into Nirvana), and Krist worked well as a bassist (not the best of all time obviously, but good for the band). It's just a different sound. If you want to call it "amateur," fine, but it was a different sound for the time when everything was all commercialized. Cobain got his clothes from the Salvation Army. The guy was a rock star, and yet was probably the most un-rock star there was at the time. Regarding the music itself, I guess it's about the perception of sound. When I listen to Nirvana, and hear everything come together, I feel the overall emotion coming out of it. It wasn't heavy metal that was blocking out your ears, it was a dude playing guitar and singing oddball songs with a screechy voice. I can't argue that they are overall better than any other band ever, because that's almost like trying to make the same argument for Justin Beiber. But when Kurt sings whatever he sang, the music resonates with me more than most other bands do, because it's legitimate. He can even take a cover and make me feel something that I couldn't even feel with the original version of the song. Overall, this is very similar to those ECW vs. WWE arguments. WWE is the commercialized one, while ECW was the one that took place in a bingo hall. In my opinion, I like both of them for different reasons. I'm not saying "All hail the God of Kurt Cobain" like many do, I'm just saying that I like their style of music. Edited by WWEFootos48, Sep 20 2010, 09:26 PM.
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| Jesus Omega | Sep 20 2010, 09:38 PM Post #66 |
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But here's the thing. They're not making music. You praise them for making you feel, but that's only half the battle. Good music will a) sounds good, and B) make the listener feel. if it doesn't do both of those things, than it simply isn't good music. Sure, Kurt may sing with emotion. And yeah, grohl is a passable drummer. But the guitar and bass came together to create something that wasn't dissonant, but still sounded off. And that's never a desirable sound. Their imperfections didn't make them WORK WELL, or even work at all. Their imperfections merely made them popular. There's a difference. What they do is NOT legitimate. Saying so makes you ignorant towards the realms of music. Calling them alternative isn't right either, because they were VERY mainstream for a while. They were a fad, and their music was too. I'd suggest that you open yourself to more music than just Heavy Metal, or whatever the fuck is popular these days. Then perhaps you'll find that there's music that can both convey a sense of emotion, AND not sound like garbage. But making the claim that Nirvana is good is ludicrous, because even if you do feel that they convey a sense of emotion, they still only did it half-right, and half-right is a fucking failing grade. |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 09:58 PM Post #67 |
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Actually I don't listen to heavy metal music at all. If anything, I don't really even have a favorite band that puts out music today, but do enjoy music from certain bands that fall in the pop/rock genre.
Okay, let's try to figure this one out. Let's take the example I've been using, "All Apologies." You listen to the song. They have the guitar riff: check. They have a nice drum beat going: check. They have a nice chorus where the music picks up: check. They have lyrics: although they don't totally make sense, it still conveys the message of depression of some sort. Everything has a flowing rhythm: check. What's not legitimate about it? I'm asking this honestly, I really don't see how you can call them illegitimate from this. Some songs are obviously a parody of what was going on in the media and society during that time and should not be taken seriously (like "Smells Like Teen Spirit"), but nonetheless they all have some sort of message. |
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| MY85 | Sep 20 2010, 09:59 PM Post #68 |
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Maybe we should what recent musical acts Eric Omega likes. |
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| Cybrus | Sep 20 2010, 10:02 PM Post #69 |
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Shall we change the title of this thread to "The Nirvana Discussion Thread"? Because I haven't seen anything nostalgic in a while now.
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| MY85 | Sep 20 2010, 10:03 PM Post #70 |
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Remember Cybrus and Eric Omega debating Harry Potter? Remember when I had Cybrus wear some Hornswoggle gif as his avatar? |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 10:04 PM Post #71 |
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Well Nirvana is nostalgic, because it brings people back to the time when music was good, or in Omega's point of view, the point and time where a bunch of idiots listened to really crappy music and the lead singer shot himself which was a great thing for this world. |
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| _DL_ | Sep 20 2010, 10:05 PM Post #72 |
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If I was dating Courtney Love, I'd off myself too. Edited by _DL_, Sep 20 2010, 10:06 PM.
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| Cybrus | Sep 20 2010, 10:06 PM Post #73 |
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Is it just me or did Mick Foley's WWE theme and one of DDP's WCW theme musics sound an awful lot like "Smells like teen spirit"? |
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| L69 | Sep 20 2010, 10:07 PM Post #74 |
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Nirvana were awesome, but live in the modern times dude!!! Remember when I was the top poster on the forum? |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 10:08 PM Post #75 |
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Hey, if he killed her instead of himself he would be out of jail in 2019 and would still be able to play music... And Cy, DDP's theme was definitely a rip-off of it, but I never thought of Foley's as one. |
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| Cybrus | Sep 20 2010, 10:08 PM Post #76 |
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No, I don't remember a time when I wasn't the top poster. |
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| L69 | Sep 20 2010, 10:10 PM Post #77 |
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I was at one point... for a while then I stopped posting :/ On a side note, why can't I create a new topic in the thunderdome... I remember a time I could! |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 10:10 PM Post #78 |
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Remember when Luke outed himself and everybody on the forum shunned him for like 6 months? Then he left the forum and began drinking so bad to the point where he came back on the forum so he could try and ask one of us out? What an idiot... |
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| MY85 | Sep 20 2010, 10:10 PM Post #79 |
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He would have either become friends with Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse or shoot himself after hearing Lady Gaga, Pitbull, Bieber, Cybr... er, Cyrus, etc.. |
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| Cybrus | Sep 20 2010, 10:11 PM Post #80 |
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Probably for the same reason you are seeing "Oatseeder" online and not "Fryhole". Your new active administrator just isn't as good as your retired administrator. I'm just saying.
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| L69 | Sep 20 2010, 10:13 PM Post #81 |
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Well it says I don't have permission to create a topic... I'm one of the originals dammit!!! I want access!!! |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 10:14 PM Post #82 |
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One step ahead of you. I changed the name about 5 seconds before you made that post.
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| Terrible Fry | Sep 20 2010, 10:15 PM Post #83 |
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'bout time. |
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| L69 | Sep 20 2010, 10:15 PM Post #84 |
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I'm sorted! |
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| Cybrus | Sep 20 2010, 10:17 PM Post #85 |
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Speaking from a nostalgic standpoint, remember when you could make a name change request and know if it were accepted/rejected almost immediately after your administrator logged...not a week later?
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| L69 | Sep 20 2010, 10:20 PM Post #86 |
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There was such a time? The one before was poor, but this is taking the piss
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| Jesus Omega | Sep 20 2010, 10:33 PM Post #87 |
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Trust me, dude, I know their music. I went through a Nirvana phase once upon a time. I understand their intentions and what they were going for. That doesn't stop the music from being bad. Just because a song has a riff and a drum beat and a chorus doesn't make it good. The drum beat is nothing more than a basic 4/4 rhythm, hardly more elaborate than a metronome. The riff literally alternates between three notes. The lyrics as you said, don't make sense, and the singing is not good. Even at all. What you list as merits of the song are on my lists of "What a song needs to have to even be a song at all." So you're pretty much saying "it's good because it can be qualified as a song." It's not good. It's basic, it's mundane, and not a single part of it is anything that hasn't been done better by someone before and after them. They aren't a remarkable band, hardly better than your average garage band. |
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| WWEFootos48 | Sep 20 2010, 10:36 PM Post #88 |
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We're not arguing good, we're arguing legitimacy. You said they weren't legitimate. If they have all the components of music, whether you believe they are good or not, how is it not legitimate? That is my question. They don't have to have complicated riffs or anything to be good, and that's just my opinion. But how can playing the way they play, with their "garage band style," not be considered a legitimate act? |
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| _DL_ | Sep 20 2010, 10:42 PM Post #89 |
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4/4 - Simple quadruple. The beat unit is a quarter note. That class is coming in handy! |
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| Jesus Omega | Sep 20 2010, 10:43 PM Post #90 |
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I don't consider it a legitimate act simply because I have a higher standard than you, and thus, have a different definition of what makes a legitimate musician. It's that simple. Yes, they technically make music, considering that they have rhythm and melody, the only real qualifiers to music. But I wouldn't consider it legitimate because the music that they make is AWFUL. It's not just that I don't like it, but it is sincerely bad. And thus, in the book of Omega, it's not legitimate music. It's just shitty music.And yay! You're learning DL! Basic shit, at least. Edited by Jesus Omega, Sep 20 2010, 10:43 PM.
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