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Raw Discussion 4/11/11
Topic Started: Apr 11 2011, 05:40 PM (955 Views)
Jesus Omega
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Watching the video again, you can almost tell it's not a work. Edge was not as amped up as he usually is, but was still more amped than he would be to just go out and talk. you can see him hesitate as he walks down teh ramp. This was not a happy walk for Adam Copeland.

(Also, as a fan of his from the second he his the screen, this was kinda hard to watch...)
Edited by Jesus Omega, Apr 12 2011, 04:45 AM.
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Apr 12 2011, 03:56 AM
Wow... I can't believe Edge is retiring. That came completely out of nowhere. :(

And good lord, what is R-Truth doing in a main event at a PPV? Has wwe completely lost it?
He's in a triple threat match at a throw away PPV. WWE is hardly taking a chance or anything. :P
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It was so fucking obvious in hindsight. I'm watching the video and Matthews asked JR if he knew what the rumor was. JR said he didn't know but went on to talk about how Edge started as a tag team wrestler and ended up having a hall of fame career...yeah, not fishy at all. :lol:
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I'm not sure why people think this would be a work. It wouldn't make any sense if it were. Edge is the top face on SD!. Edge is feuding against the most pushed heel int he company right now. Edge appeared on Raw in an unhyped and unexpected moment. There is no reason to think that this is anything but true.

It's a shame about Edge. I wouldn't rank him in the top 10 greatest of all time, but he is definitely one of the greats. I think everyone was surprised when Edge kept the World Title at WM. Maybe this is why they let him retain? To let him go out as World Champion after WM? If so, that was a classy move by WWE.

This could also be the reason why they didn't do the Christian heel turn at WM, if it was even planned. They are now free to let Christian take Edge's place in this feud with Del Rio -- which works since Christian has so much history with the entire feud. Assuming they don't just hand Del Rio the title on SD!, I expect Christian vs Del Rio in a ladder match at Extreme Rules for the vacant title.

True story, when I think of the World Title Edge is the first guy that pops to my head. He's always held the title with pride and made the belt seem important. And I'm talking about the way he physically holds the belt and not any of his usually short reigns. You see him hold it above his head with the pyros going off as he comes down the ramp. He wears it on his shoulder clutching it with his hands as he's cutting a promo. He wears it around his waist. I dunno why, but that really sticks out to me. Edge always made the title seem more important.

Christian on Twitter
 
"I've shed my tears..And from here on out I choose 2celebrate 1 of the greatest careers in WWE history..Cant wait2 induct u in the HOF #Edge"

I agree with Christian. Edge is definitely going into the HOF in 2012. They've already announced the WM28 main event a year in advance. May as well announce Edge as the leading inductee into the HOF.

I liked the Awesome Kong video. I'm sure she'll be called something else, but until her name is released, I think everyone is just going to call her Kong. Hell, we'll still call her Awesome Kong because we're going to hate the name. But the video was actually good. Holding a Barbie Doll (not really) that symbolizes the cookie-cutter WWE Diva and ripping (thumping) its head off. Just symbolizes that she's out to destroy the divas. Simple, effective, good.

I actually liked the gauntlet main event match. I don't know why it was called a new concept match since gauntlet matches have been around for ages. I don't know why R-Truth was in the match, never mind why he gets into the WWE Title match. My only guess is that he's finally turning heel. That still wouldn't interest me.

Except for the Edge retirement and Kong video, was was pretty dull tonight. I wonder if that was by design to highlight Edge.
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I miss Edge. I think besides the whole Hardy/Edge/Lita thing he's one of the more likable and down to earth guys in wrestling, which is why this news is shocking and depressing. I think he was one of those few guys (besides Punk and maybe Orton) that I still cared about and wanted to see succeed, so that's a blow. I never watch SD anyway but this is going to make me want to watch it less now.
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Edge's retirement speech was heartbreaking. Poor guy. I know there was talks of him retiring anyway in the next year or so, but it looked like the rug was pulled right from underneath him here. As he said though, at least he is doing it now rather than wait till he needs a wheelchair.

I have no problem with R-Truth in the main event, to be honest. I think both Ziggler and Morrison deserve it over him, and that he really hasn't been doing much (read: anything) for a while, but I wanted some new faces in the title picture and his performance against Cena made him look great.

Sin Cara, Kong's video package, Team APPLE, etc - this was a pretty fun RAW (discounting the aforementioned heartbreak).
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Cybrus
Apr 12 2011, 12:37 PM
I'm not sure why people think this would be a work.
Because this is wrestling.
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Yeah please, 60% of the IWC was convinced that Eddie's death was a work because WrestleMania 22 was held on April 1 and his return during that event would be a huge April fool's joke. Don't give people that much credit. :lol:
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No one should be surprised at Edge retiring since it's been talked about since last year here and here.
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Point being? It's like the boy who cried wolf; we keep hearing it over and over, but when the time actually comes it's a bit hard to believe.
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I wasnt planning on watching RAW. But when I heard about Edge, I had to watch his speech. Anyone whos ssen me post on here over the years knows that Im as big an Edge fan as youll find. And much like Omega, his speech was hard to watch. I for on, DO rank Edge as one of the top 10 greatest of all time. The guy rarely had bad matches. He could cut a promo with the best of them. And he eanred EVERYTHING he got. Started in the tag team division, much like Bret and Shawn. And he scratched his way up to main event status. His first world title win, is one of the greatest world title victorys of all time. The man has very little bad qualities and is what the HOF is all about.

I will miss Edge. But it just gives me even less reason to watch wrestling these days. Once Trips and Orton are done. Ill be done for good.
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I also see Edge in the top 10 greatest of all time. He was excellent in everything he did. Was probably my most favourite heel of all time.
Why has Truth stolen Shelton benjamins finisher? But more importantly, why is Truth in a Triple Threat match with 2 of the biggest names in the company? Put Orton, Punk, Sheamus, HHH. Anyone but him!
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Apr 12 2011, 08:35 PM
No one should be surprised at Edge retiring since it's been talked about since last year here and here.
There is a huge difference between planning to retire and being forced to retire. His career came to a very abrupt and sudden ending. And while I'm saddened that one of the best of this generation is leaving us, I'm glad he's leaving in a somewhat healthy condition and not being paralyzed or even dead from this injury.
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Walker

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Apr 13 2011, 08:23 AM
Why has Truth stolen Shelton benjamins finisher?
:lol:

That finisher gets passed around a lot. MVP even had it for a short time. I would call it WWE's "Black Guy" finisher, but the whitest man alive: Heath Slater, also used it for a period of time.
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I see...

But what i don't see is why anyone would want to use it. It's probably the weakest looking finisher in the WWE.
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Apr 13 2011, 09:37 AM
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Apr 12 2011, 08:35 PM
No one should be surprised at Edge retiring since it's been talked about since last year here and here.
There is a huge difference between planning to retire and being forced to retire. His career came to a very abrupt and sudden ending. And while I'm saddened that one of the best of this generation is leaving us, I'm glad he's leaving in a somewhat healthy condition and not being paralyzed or even dead from this injury.
Well yeah I know. I was thinking that after I posted it. From what I've read, Edge wanted tell everybody before it got leaked.

I knew he was working hurt for a long time but just like most who didn't know him personally, you never can tell just how bad it is.

You gotta respect him for working as long as he did and it shows just how much he cares for the business in general. Atleast he did more than most do in a lifetime.
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I also should say that there's also a difference between retiring because of injury and retiring because you're done. A report saying that someone is planning to retire because they've accomplished whatever they accomplished doesn't remotely amount to a report of someone having to retire because one wrong bump could lead to paralysis. It's a totally different mindset, almost like, as fans, we're seeing somebody leave who still had potential to do their jobs amazingly compared to knowing their time is up. So it makes it more sad in that respect.
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That is also true. About this weeks' SD! show if someone wants to, I've added the video of what you won't see after it goes off air.
Edited by TheObserver, Apr 14 2011, 02:16 AM.
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Apr 14 2011, 01:22 AM
I see...

But what i don't see is why anyone would want to use it. It's probably the weakest looking finisher in the WWE.
Weaker than The Cobra?
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Apr 14 2011, 10:51 PM
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Apr 14 2011, 01:22 AM
I see...

But what i don't see is why anyone would want to use it. It's probably the weakest looking finisher in the WWE.
Weaker than The Cobra?
Definately! The cobra is vicious! My girlfriend doesn't like wrestling but she loves the move and uses it on me all the time. It hurts!
But if someone came running up and grabbed me like that and try to pull me down, i'd just laugh at them.
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Funnily enough, it would realistically have the exact same effect as the RKO, I don't see anyone ragging on that. It is pro wrestling, finishers are not finishers because they look good/really would hurt, they are finishers because the booking treats them as dangerous.
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The RKO, when properly done, is a very effective move. You are jerking a person down by the neck and running your arm/shoulder into their throat on the way down.
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Walker

As does the Paydirt/whatchamacallit.
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Jesus Omega
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The RKO would never be effective in a real fight. That's why nobody does that type of crap in real fights.
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If I ever got into a fight, my tactic? Big boot.
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If you're skilled enough, a legit armbar could ruin someone's day.
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A basic headlock could win a fight with most people.
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Jesus Omega
Apr 18 2011, 05:38 AM
The RKO would never be effective in a real fight. That's why nobody does that type of crap in real fights.
You don't see people do Tomb Stone Piledrivers in real fights either.
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Both moves would be very effective in a real fight. Jerking someone down by the neck in an unexpected move can hurt someone big time. Same with a Tombstone. When actually performed, planting someone on the top of their head will do some serious injury to their necks. Both moves are sound and could do some major damage if done for real.
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Jesus Omega
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Not the RKO. Anyone with any neck strength (ie, anyone who isn't a child) could easily stabilize their neck and prevent it from being thrust downward. and if the attacker was significantly stronger than the attacked, all it would really do is force them to land on their chest/arms at the same rate as a standard fall. The idea of the attackers arm being thrust into the attackers throat is moot, because it's being used to pull down, not thrust up, and even if it did, teh surface area of the atack would be so large that it wouldn't hurt that much. A well-placed punch to the adam's apple would be tons more effective.

The RKO is all show. Not at all effective as a real fighting maneuver. Though, if someone could pull it off, a tombstone could do some very real damage...
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