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Raw Discussion 4/11/11
Topic Started: Apr 11 2011, 05:40 PM (953 Views)
Cybrus
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A full sized man weighs anywhere from 180 to 300+ pounds. That much weight suddenly jerking down on your neck unexpectedly is enough to break it. The reason it's not used and is considered ineffective in a fight is because of the set up. The person literally has to jump into the air and put his full weight into the move. It is easily countered by either catching the person to stop the weight or simply moving. But the move itself has very sound theory behind it.
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The problem with the Tombstone is that it's not an efficient move to use when fighting. Are you really going to turn somebody upside down, opening your entire lower body to an attack, just to drop them on their head at a semi-quick force? A regular piledriver is a lot more effective and takes a lot less of a set up.
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Haha oh my what have i started! Neither of these moves are effective in anyway in a fight at all. Been in many fights myself, you honestly don't think of wrasstling at all. You just throw down. It's actually very exhilarating, but i don't mention doing it AT ALL.
Anyway, it doesn't matter if it's a mate or some stranger, there is no way in the world someone can grab me in the standing position by the head and drag me down, they will hit the ground harder than i do anyway. Also, Tombstone would never EVER work.
Unless you are knocked the fuck out so someone can pick you up and turn you upside down on your head without you fighting out of it, it'll never happen.

But this arguement can be said for any Wrasstling move, The AA, GTS, Rock Bottom, Stunner, anything acrobatic, powerbombs etc. NONE of it would work EVER in a real fight.
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Cybrus
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I will agree that wrestling moves are designed to be flashy. Wrestling isn't real. These moves aren't designed to have real impact. They are designed to look good and get people to react, not to actually hurt the person.

But at the same time, I think there is a very sound theory behind each wrestling move. Look at Santino's "Cobra" for example. It's 100% flash in the wrestling world. It's just a move that makes the crowd pop. But in a real fight, if you were to punch someone in the throat (with a fist, not with your fingers pointed like Santino), then it'd be a fight winner. The RKO, if someone puts their full weight into it and hits it before you are able to counter it, then there's no way you are stopping 180-300+ pounds with just your neck without doing some damage.

But, really, if you are going to try to do wrestling moves in a real fight, you'd be best off going with the basic headlock type move.
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Sorry Cy but i disagree 100% with you on this. I don't care how much a person weighs, there is no way in this world that a person could grab me by the head and try to drag me down, my reflex would kick in way too quickly and would be sitting on their ass looking like an idiot.

But if someone pointed their fingers in the way Santino does and hits me square in my adams apple...could possibly break it. 4 fingers extended straight out into a palm and pushed finger first into the throat would do as much if not more damage than a fist to the throat, therefor The Cobra could possibly kill you, whereas an RKO, would most definitely not.
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Cybrus
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I'm not saying the RKO move would look like when Orton does or even when DDP did it. Not in a real fight. I wouldn't expect both men to fall down. That's human poetry done to make the move look good. I'm looking at the theory of the move. A grown man putting all his weight pulling down on your neck. At the very least, that's going to snap your neck and give you that whiplash feeling where you'll have pain in your neck. But, as we've both said, it's very easy to counter which is why it isn't ever used. Simply catching the man will stop the effect.
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Jesus Omega
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The human machine is inefficient. Nowhere near all of their weight would be put onto the victims neck on any of the ways Stunners, cutters, or RKO's have ever been performed.
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Jesus Omega
Apr 20 2011, 05:02 AM
The human machine is inefficient.
Are you Skynet?
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Jesus Omega
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I'm afraid that I cannot answer that question.
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Cybrus
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Jesus Omega
Apr 20 2011, 05:02 AM
The human machine is inefficient. Nowhere near all of their weight would be put onto the victims neck on any of the ways Stunners, cutters, or RKO's have ever been performed.
You are really over thinking this. Again, I'm not saying the exact move we see on TV would ever be used in a fight. But the theory of the move is very credible. A sudden jerking on your neck is going to hurt you. This is why people get whiplash in car accidents. It's a sudden jerking/snapping motion on their neck. If someone grabs you by the head and pulls you down and you try to stop it with your neck muscles, you are going to get the same effect.

Wrestling moves are designed to be flashy and to make people pop and you'll almost never see one used in a real fight, but most wrestling moves have very sound and credible theory behind them. It's what makes them good moves to begin with. Most...not all.
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