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WWE Money In The Bank Discussion Thread; July 17th, 2011
Topic Started: Jun 21 2011, 08:36 AM (3,248 Views)
Cybrus
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I have limited knowledge of Colt Cabana, but I can say that after seeing Eric Young and Santino, I have very little interest in anyone described as a :quote: comedy wrestler :quote: . I'm not saying it wouldn't work. If he isn't as campy as those two then I could be fan of him. But it be a struggle to get me interested.
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Well as I said, comedy guys are destined to be low-card jobbers. I think Colt Cabana can be more than that.
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I can remember seeing some of the feud Cabana had with Homicide in ROH a few years back and I thought that was some pretty intense stuff. Especially one of the hardcore type matches they had where Homicide was beating down Cabana, walked off when he had enough and Cabana kept taunting him for more. I can remember Cabana screaming out to him that "You're goin to have to fuckin' kill me!", or something like that. I'm just paraphrasing.

That was good stuff.
Edited by Terrible Fry, Jul 15 2011, 10:05 AM.
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Looking at the WWE Title match, which is the most interesting storyline that WWE has created in a very long time, there are three popular outcome ideas that I see most frequently:

1) John Cena wins, Punk leaves a defeated man.

2) CM Punk wins the WWE Title, but the Raw MITB winner cashes in immediately after and wins the WWE Title.

3) CM Punk wins the WWE Title, but has signed a short term deal to stay with WWE a few weeks thus allowing him to appear on Raw and brag about holding the WWE Title captive (since from a storyline standpoint he is not with the company and cannot be forced to defend it). This would go on for a few weeks before Punk eventually lost the belt or was resigned to the company (from a storyline standpoint).

Of those three, the third one is the most interesting and the least likely to happen. I think it's most likely we'll just see Cena win, but Punk winning and then losing to the MITB winner would be fine to me as well.

I have been thinking of a 4th way of ending this match. This idea is very interesting to me, but I think there is zero chances of WWE ever doing it...mainly because it kills off both MITB winners in one night, and we know how WWE likes to drag at least 1 of them out for 6 or 8 months. My idea is as follows:

First, CM Punk beats John Cena and wins the WWE Title. Almost immediately afterward, the Raw MITB winner comes out and cashes in his briefcase. Everyone is expecting the MITB Winner to be victorious, but Punk pulls off his second upset of the night and beats the MITB winner in the middle of the ring.

Punk gets on the mic and gloats about both his victories. Over the past few weeks, we've seen Punk use words that are taboo in WWE. Punk calls himself a "wrestler" and not an "entertainer". Punk calls it a "belt" and not a "championship" or "title". Punk would continue this by calling himself the very last WWE World Heavyweight Champion. He would brag about walking out of the company with the WWE World Heavyweight Belt and say that since he can never be beaten, that he is the last WWE World Champion in history.

During Punk's speech, the SD! MITB winner would come out to the ring. CM Punk would know that something was up but would use logic to discredit the SD MITB winner saying that his contract was not valid against Punk. The SD! MITB winner would get on the mic and correct CM Punk by saying that nowhere in the MITB contract does it say that he has to challenge the for the SD! Title. He would say that his MITB contract gurantees him a "World Heavyweight Title match", and say this is a vague description. The MITB winner would say it appears to him that he should be allowed to use the MITB contract against any World Heavyweight Champion. Punk would counter again by saying that he is the WWE Champion, which the SD! MITB winner would point out is both right and very wrong. He would then ask the production crew to back up the footage a few moments and show clips of CM Punk calling himself the "WWE World Heavyweight Champion" and say that since CM Punk himself classify his belt as the WWE World Heavyweight Title that the MITB winner should be eligible to challenge him. The two could bicker for a moment before the Annonymous Raw GM chimmed in and said he agreed with the loophole and said he'd honor the MITB contract, thus setting up an immediate match between the two. Punk would lose the WWE Title and leave feeling screwed (thus giving him something to talk about when he returned).

This storyline would accomplish several things: First, it would get the title off Cena and that in itself is a great move. Second, it would make WWE seem a little less predictable since no one would have expected both MITB contracts to be cashed in. Third, it would make for the first MITB failed cash in, if that matters. And it would make a new star for the company since the guy that jumps from SD! to Raw as the new WWE Champion woudl look like a savior for the company.

Of course, this will never happen since WWE likes to draw out 1 of the briefcases for a while and won't cash both in immediately. But it would be a damn fun twist to watch.
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Recently released WWE wrestler Chavo Guerrero unleashed a string a criticism and advice on Twitter for John Cena heading into Cena's match with C.M. Punk this Sunday at Money in the Bank. The criticism is directed at Cena's earlier tweet that said, "Regardless, for or against, people will talk about what happens tomorrow for years." Chavo wrote [edited for readability]:

"Ok, don't say that people will talk about this for years if you're going to let Punk do all the work and not deliver at the PPV, Cena. I am tired, and I know fans are tired of WWE Superstars talking big and not delivering. We don't want to see someone just in a fight. And frankly no one believes it anymore. If Miz can kick your ass then the clerk at the store can kick your ass, so please deliver if you say that people will remember this PPV.

You know Punk will bring "it". I've been in the ring with both of you and Punk has "it". Cena you have mic skills yes, but if you think people believe your BS lazy comeback that you do exactly the same every match then you are mistaken. Eddie and I taught you different. We never said "get lazy" and do the same thing every night. We always said "think out of the box" and give the fans what they deserve and not rely on the "machine" to "get you over."

I hope this lights a fire under your ass and you deliver this Sunday. Don't just rest on you being over because you are and that is easy. Challenge yourself and give the fans what they deserve. That's why they boo you. Because they aren't stupid. They know what they pay for and the "great" promo guy but the shitty "match" guy that you have become is not what they want.

I understand "longevity" but at the sacrifice of the fans trust is not worth it. Deliver on your fans and deliver on why you got into this business. Eventually the fans that you have gained with from the purple t-shirts will turn on you. Take a lesson from the Hulkster. Give the fans there money's worth and don't become just another "promo" guy. I know you love this biz and don't get distracted from the McMahon money.

Deliver please!! Have enough respect for your fans because without them, you're working at a fast food chain. Love you man and I support you and hope you see this because I know Punk will and I know he's going to bring it because he's got nothing to lose!"


Why did Chavo praise Hogan there? Is he planting seeds for a TNA run?
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Probably because Cena is the Hogan of this era for the WWE and they both have about the same ring skills.
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I've said it before, but I'll repeat myself. I don't remember the last time I looked forward to a PPV more than this one. And it's all because of CM Punk. I would love it if they let Punk leave as WWE Champion and ran with that storyline of him being Champion but not a contractual wrestler. But I fear that this all ends with Cena going over, again.
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I can honestly say that if I knew Punk was going to win I'd look forward to this match. But, the fact that Cena will probably win and the fact that the rest of the PPV is about what it has always been, makes me glad for the Austin Aries hate machine to watch PPV's with. The only matches I'm interest in at all are the 2 world title matches. And both have two guys I hate in them, Orton and Cena. And I expect both Orton and Cena to win so I'm pretty meh about the ppv as a whole.
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What is the Austin Aries hate machine and how can I watch with him? :shifty:
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:lol: Call back to the PPV when he had that shout out to me and everyone watching on illegal streams.
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See, I didn't have that stream link. You didn't share that time. Purple bastard. I bet you bought a John Cena T-Shirt just because it is the only wrestling shirt that is Purple! Bastard. :shakefist:
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You weren't even online during the ppv! At least you weren't on 6 star!! YOU CHEATED ON US!!!
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I was online at the start of the PPV, but I couldn't find a working stream and no one else was online at the time. I had nothing to do, so I think I just went and played my Wii or something.

I'm going to try to be online for tonight's PPV, but there's only 1 match that I really am interested in. I don't know if I'll sit through the entire PPV or just get online for that one match. And we all know Cena vs Punk is closing the show, so there's no worry about missing it if I don't get online before 10:20 or 10:30
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I'm wondering if Christian is going to beat Orton by DQ and then have the Smackdown MITB winner come in and beat him for the title. He will have an even shorter 2nd title reign than his first one and will make him look even more ridiculous.
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Jul 17 2011, 06:33 PM
I'm wondering if Christian is going to beat Orton by DQ and then have the Smackdown MITB winner come in and beat him for the title. He will have an even shorter 2nd title reign than his first one and will make him look even more ridiculous.
I'd imagine that WWE would do something like this, just because everyone is expecting the Raw MITB winner to cash in instead.
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Jul 17 2011, 06:33 PM
I'm wondering if Christian is going to beat Orton by DQ and then have the Smackdown MITB winner come in and beat him for the title. He will have an even shorter 2nd title reign than his first one and will make him look even more ridiculous.
I'd imagine that WWE would do something like this, just because everyone is expecting the Raw MITB winner to cash in instead.
Honestly, I'm still expecting Orton to win, but have the SD!MiTB winner cash it in on him after the match.

As for Cena/Punk; Cena is definitely winning, no question.My prediction is Summerslam will focus on the conflict between Cena and Mr McMahon; Cena questioning his role as "The Man" and Vince growing disillusioned with the idea of Cena being his top guy. McMahon instead chooses to publicly endorse Alberto Del Rio as his top guy, who cashes the MiTB in on Cena and wins the title. Summerslam can be Cena vs Del Rio.
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Is everyone watching it live tonight?
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If Austin Aries doesn't hunt me down I will.
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He only cares about people watching streams of TNA PPVs so I think you're in the clear :crossfingers:
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MITB for Smackdown starts the show.
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Sin Cara taken out on a stretcher!
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Jul 18 2011, 12:20 AM
Sin Cara taken out on a stretcher!
During the match, or is it over?
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During the match!

Kane just broke Daniel Bryans neck!!!!!!!!!
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Pretty sure he did NOT break his neck. :lol:

Well, maybe they'll have a "substitute" mid-match for Sin Cara. That would be a nice little swerve, right?
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Micheal Cole: You know what you call that?

Lawler: What?

Cole: Splat!

Lawler: That all you got?
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450 off the ladder!
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HOLY SHIT! DANIEL BRYAN WINS MITB!!!
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This is a long-ass match. Started what, 20 minutes ago?

EDIT - well, it's over now. Cybrus was right about the folks picking Bryan.
Edited by SRP76, Jul 18 2011, 12:35 AM.
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Holy crap, Daniel Bryan? Why?
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