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| Purple Marauder | Jul 13 2011, 04:04 AM Post #31 |
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Eliminate the Punk vs Cena storyline...how was the rest of Raw? Also, I love how the IWC is still getting put in this little box (even by guys on the Internet, in a wrestling community) as this small group of people that don't know anything. Yet, all we hear about is how everyone has smartphones and Internet access and nearly everyone in the target demo is online now. Aren't the vast majority of WWE and wrestling fans by definition Internet Fans? |
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| SRP76 | Jul 13 2011, 04:13 AM Post #32 |
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I put them in a box as a large group of people that don't know anything. Let's face reality: we know only what they ALLOW us to know. If we ever walked in backstage, we'd be fucking lost. Now, everyone has online access now. But, here's the differnce: you have casual fans who do NOT get into the "insider" sites and message boards, who are just fans. Then, on the other, hand you have the folks like us who give a shit about "behind the scenes". That's the "IWC". No different from regular movie fans vs. the tabloid (Star Magazine, etc.) readers. Edited by SRP76, Jul 13 2011, 04:13 AM.
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| MY85 | Jul 13 2011, 04:28 AM Post #33 |
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I'm thinking of using Punk as an anti-hero type of face. He's got the mic skills and as long as they don't change him to a standard babyface, he'll work just fine. |
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| Cybrus | Jul 13 2011, 09:47 AM Post #34 |
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I don't think anyone thinks it is a shoot. It's a worked shoot. It's a storyline that has been planned out to look legitimate. It has enough real elements in it so that it looks more than just a wrestling storyline, yet it is a wrestling storyline. There's no way Punk is going out there with a live mic and just saying whatever he wants as it comes to his head. But at the same time, there is no denying that Punk has had massive influence over his promos. Which is a good thing. People are talking about Punk's promos. No one remembers anything the writers came up with on the same shows. I wish Vince would let this remind him how valuable wrestler input is and let guys have more creative freedom with their characters. Stop having them read from a script so much and just give them bullet points. Some guys that cannot speak on a mic, sure give them a script. Guys that can, give them more freedom.
Hey! Stop cheating off my paper! But, yeah, Del Rio is the obvious choice to win, therefore he isn't going to win. It's going to be someone you don't expect. Rey wasn't even on Raw or really mentioned much, so he's my pick. Miz could get it and do the Punk repeat storyline. But Del Rio is not winning.
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| In Brightest Day | Jul 13 2011, 10:08 AM Post #35 |
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They already do. CM Punk, Shane Helms, Randy Orton (talking about himself and Cena) and the Miz have all gone on record to say that that is exactly the way their promos are done. Exactly how you put it. Bullet points are given to them, but they make up most of what is in between. |
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| Cybrus | Jul 13 2011, 10:22 AM Post #36 |
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Your top tier of talent may have more creative freedom, but there have been enough interviews with former wrestlers to indicate that most wrestlers do not have that creative freedom and are given a script. Even big names like Stone Cold Steve Austin and Mick Foley have criticized WWE for forcing their talent to read from scripts and not giving them enough creative freedom with their profile and characters. You become a good promo guy by trial and error. Some are blessed with great skills, but most people need time to develop that skill. If you force someone to read verbatim from a script for however many years, then suddenly tell him to write his own promo around certain points, then the chances of it being poor is great. Cena and Orton are homegrown WWE talent. Both of these guys have been brought up by WWE and have very little experience elsewhere (I am aware that Cena worked the independents prior to WWE, but that was a very short stint). Both of these guys are often criticized for their promo skills and one of the biggest factors for that can be attributed to the fact that both were given scripts to read and were never required to create their own until they made it. Compare that to Punk, who spent many years in the independents where he had to come up with his own material and is always listed amongst the top mic guys in the industry whenever anyone makes a list. |
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| Jesus Omega | Jul 14 2011, 02:51 AM Post #37 |
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Meanwhile The Rock has noted in his Autobiography that he has almost complete creative control over all his promos... Anyways, one of the things I really liked about this week's Raw was how well Punk and McMahon played off of one another. It was almost like the attitude era for a few minutes, I swear. He really made Vince squirm in that promo. I swear. Aw, he made the boss look vulnerable, it's great. |
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| Jesus Omega | Jul 14 2011, 03:10 AM Post #38 |
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Also, damn, he straight up called Cena 'Mr. 3000' in Boston. |
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| Cybrus | Jul 14 2011, 04:20 AM Post #39 |
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The Rock competed in a completely different time. WWE didn't start scripting promos until well after the Attitude Era. This is one of the many, many reasons why the Attitude Era was so much better than today's product. Currently, as cited by many wrestlers that are too high to touch (such as Stone Cold) or that are no longer with the company and do not give a damn, WWE uses script writers to write promos. |
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| Jesus Omega | Jul 14 2011, 06:22 AM Post #40 |
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They used script writers back then too. Just not for some of the elite promo-ers. |
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| Cybrus | Jul 14 2011, 07:21 AM Post #41 |
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I honestly don't understand the point you are trying to make, Omega. There is absolutely no denying that WWE currently restricts their performers to what they can say, making the vast majority of them read from a script. There is absolutely no denying that wrestlers from the Attitude Era had more creative freedoms with their promos and characters. Past and current wrestlers have confirmed this. Wrestling news sites have confirmed this. Former creative members have confirmed this. Hell, even company yes-man J.R. has confirmed this numerous times on his blog. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue for or even against. |
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| MY85 | Jul 14 2011, 09:22 AM Post #42 |
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Even in the Attitude Era and in the past, WWE still follows a script or structure. The creative freedom in promos will always go to the main event guys. That's what Eric is trying to say, I think. |
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| Purple Marauder | Jul 14 2011, 12:27 PM Post #43 |
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I just listened to a pod cast with Punk as the guest from a year or so ago and in it he says that basically they give him a script and he looks at the points of what they want and then he tosses it. He says that, for him, trying to memorize lines would take away from his promo abilities and make them suck because he would be trying to remember lines and not cut a good promo. He says basically now the writers come to him and say they are suppose to write his segment and the two of them usually sit down and just go over the structure of the segment and what needs to be done and he goes out and does it. |
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