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Raw Discussion 10/03/11; HIAC Fallout
Topic Started: Oct 3 2011, 07:32 PM (720 Views)
ChainGangmaster2kgen
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From Out of No Where
JR: How do you control the strongest man in the world?
Booker T: You don't!!
Cole: How do you control the Viper?
Booker T: You can't!! :lol:

Jack Swag should never speak on the mic :blank:

Kayfabe Lives!

3 matches really?
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Cybrus
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I'm curious, SRP. Given the current roster and the fact that the IC Title is a SD! title, who would you put the title on? You have to keep it realistic too. You cannot talk about merging any belts or play the "if this happened" game either. Given the current landscape of WWE, which mid carder do you think would make a better IC Champion than Cody Rhodes? I'd even be fine with you moving a Raw guy over to SD! since WWE does the brand jump thing often anyway.
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I'll answer with the best mid card guy on Smackdown right now and say Wade Barrett. They tried to get him to main event then pulled way back on the push. He is the best guy to hold the title and actually make a great run. Cody is doing fine right now, I just hate his voice.
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I agree that Wade would be a good candidate, but they just put the IC Title on him and did nothing with it. I don't understand why they stopped so abruptly with Barrett. He was a few credible wins away from being a true main eventer and would have been the first name WWE created in many years. But then they just stopped his push and made him unimportant for no apparent reason.
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Oct 7 2011, 12:31 AM
I'm curious, SRP. Given the current roster and the fact that the IC Title is a SD! title, who would you put the title on? You have to keep it realistic too. You cannot talk about merging any belts or play the "if this happened" game either. Given the current landscape of WWE, which mid carder do you think would make a better IC Champion than Cody Rhodes? I'd even be fine with you moving a Raw guy over to SD! since WWE does the brand jump thing often anyway.
Already gave you the better scenario. Instead of giving Rhodes the belt and doing nothing, they should have given it to Henry, and played him the exact way they're doing now, only with the IC title instead of the WHC. Bingo, a monster champ and an angle people give a fuck about. That's what the IC title used to have all the time. They need to get back to it.
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See, now you are being unrealistic and untrue to the current product. Mark Henry is the reigning World Champion. He's a main eventer. If you take him out of the World Title scene, then who do you have in his place? The IC Title is for mid cardeers. Face it, Cody Rhodes is currently the best mid carder in the company.
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Oct 8 2011, 10:33 AM
Cody Rhodes is currently the best mid carder in the company.
Now that is not true. He may be the one getting the biggest push, but he isn't the best midcard guy in the company.
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Oct 8 2011, 10:33 AM
See, now you are being unrealistic and untrue to the current product. Mark Henry is the reigning World Champion. He's a main eventer. If you take him out of the World Title scene, then who do you have in his place? The IC Title is for mid cardeers. Face it, Cody Rhodes is currently the best mid carder in the company.
And that has what to do with when Rhodes got the IC title? The whole point is that Cody should not have been given the title. It's too fucking late now! :lol:

As far as "who could have been WHC", you know that belt's got along fine for years without Henry being part of it. They would have simply kept having Orton feud with different people.
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The whole point is that Cody should not have been given the title.

No, the point is that you are absolutely wrong and out of touch with today's wrestling. Cody Rhodes is the best mid carder in WWE at the moment and is the most deserving person to hold the IC Title. You remember who was IC Champ before Cody? Ezekial Jackson. Yeah, huge step up.

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As far as "who could have been WHC", you know that belt's got along fine for years without Henry being part of it. They would have simply kept having Orton feud with different people.

So even though WWE is criticized so heavily for being repetitive, for keeping the belt on a select few, and for not creating any new stars, your suggestion is to leave the World Title on Orton and turn the monster push of Henry into mid card fodder? I'm sure I've said this before but I'll say it again: I am so happy you don't actually book for any company I watch. Henry has sucked ass for 15 years, but he has really stepped up his game this year. He is in the push of his career and is doing everything he's asked to do as he should be doing it. He is being booked as an absolute monster and is a credible monster World Champion. There is no way he should be doing the same thing as a mid carder with the IC Title.
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Rhodes is not the "best midcarder in the company" or anything close. Guys like Sin Cara, Zack Ryder, Dolph Ziggler, Wade Barrett, Jack Swagger, John Morrison, and many others are ALL better than him.

As for your other complaint, what's wrong with having a strong IC title feud? In their best years, WWF always had one. What, you want your show to be just one storyline, at the top, and everyone else just floats around doing nothing? Because that's what's happening now, and why nobody cares about Rhodes or the IC title.
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Rhodes is not the "best midcarder in the company" or anything close. Guys like Sin Cara, Zack Ryder, Dolph Ziggler, Wade Barrett, Jack Swagger, John Morrison, and many others are ALL better than him.

I don't even know if it is possible to even put a string of words together and come up with a more wrong sentence than what you just said! Lets go through this individually and point out your wrongness, shall we?

First, lets look at Cody Rhodes -- which despite your apparent temporary blindness and deafness is the best mid carder currently on the WWE roster. First of all, Cody Rhodes is a talented in ring worker. He has had good matches with the likes of Randy Orton, Ted DiBiase, Rey Mysterio, and has even made Ezekial Jackson have watchable matches. There's no way you can deny Cody is a talented in ring worker. Secondly, Cody Rhodes is good on the mic. I'll grant you his promo style may be a bit off putting to some as I can only describe it as him trying to breath in and swallow while starting to talk. But at the same time, this is unique to him and very identifiable. What he actually has to say isn't written by him, most likely, so I wouldn't fault him for that. But his delivery is great every single time. Thirdly, Cody is over with the crowd. He is not over on a main event level, but he is clearly over with the crowd. I'll go back to this past week on SD! for an example. Of all the people that cut a promo in the opening segment, Cody was the only one to get any heat from the crowd. We saw the same on Raw last week when Cody got a nice reaction when he had his promo. And, finally, Cody Rhodes actually has a character and a gimmick. He went from being "dashing" to thinking he was disfigured because Rey's knee brace hit him in the face. Now, his goal is to make everyone else see how ugly they are as well. Granted, it's not the most original gimmick, but it's a gimmick and it's over with the crowd.

Now, lets go through your list, shall we?

Sin Cara is nothing more than a spot monkey. He has absolutely no character other than being a masked wrestler. He cannot speak English so he cannot even cut a promo. He gets a decent pop when he first comes out, but the crowd is absolutely silent thereafter, so he's not really over. And worst of all, even though all he is is a spot monkey, he botches almost every match. He could be taken off TV now and no one would miss him.

Zack Ryder. Online fans tend to think Zack Ryder is more than he is because he got himself over on Youtube. I'll give him credit and say it was impressive to get himself over when WWE couldn't, but that's about it. He has a character, but it's a very annoying character that is just a rip off of an annoying TV show. I wouldn't complain too much if Ryder were given a IC Title reign (even though I personally hate his gimmick and want him off my TV), but he's not better than Cody Rhodes. Not even close.

WWE has being trying so damn hard to get Dolph Ziggler over as a mid card champion for about 2 years now and he's still not over. They paired him with the heat magnet that is Vickie and only Vickie is getting heat. Anytime they tried to split the two, they quickly put them back together because they knew Ziggler wasn't getting any heat. They let him wear the IC Title for about a year and has had the US Title on him for what feels like as long and still nothing. T his guy is not connecting with the crowd at all. He's not anywhere near Cody's level. I wish they'd drop the US Title completely and just have the IC Title.

Jack Swagger is similar to Dolph in that WWE tried so very hard with him but failed so very badly. They actually put the World Title on Swagger and it still didn't help. His promos suck. His body language sucks. He has no kind of character. The guy's only notable credit to his name is that he can actually work in the ring. That's all he is, though. He's a work horse. He's someone they can put in the ring and expect a good match from. He is not someone you build a title around.

John Morrison....really? This guy is nothing more than enhancement talent and that's all he'll ever be. He's had several reigns as IC and US Champion and none of them are memorable. His position on the card is to make others look good and nothing more. He has no personality. He has no mic skills. He cannot even tell a story in the ring. He does spot monkey matches that gets the crowd hyped up and then loses when he's suppose to. And this is the career peak for Morrison.

I saved Wade Barrett for last because he's the only name on the list that I would agree with you. Wade Barrett could be better than Cody. He's a good worker and he's great on the mic. It was just a year ago that Barrett was the hottest thing in wrestling. WWE missed a true chance to make a new main eventer when they stopped pushing Barret. I have never understood why they have either. But, sadly, they have stopped pushing Barrett. We haven't seen anything notable from Barrett since moving to SD!. He has no kind of gimmick/character anymore. We barely even see the guy much anymore. Therefore he is not currently better than Cody. Cody goes out there every week and does something. Barrett is just being wasted, even though he's already proven himself.

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What, you want your show to be just one storyline, at the top, and everyone else just floats around doing nothing? .

No, I didn't say that at all and if you'd read what I said then you'd know that. Mark Henry is over at a main event level. Mark Henry is performing at a main event level. Mark Henry is currently a main eventer. I'm not sold on the longevity of his main event status, but for right now he's definitely on the right position on the card. I am saying it would be absolutely asinine to take something as refreshing as Mark Henry's dominate heel main event status and reduce it to the mid card level...ESPECIALLY when doing this would result in the World Title scene staying as stagnant as it has been. I'm a big Orton fan, you know this. But keeping the belt on Orton constantly isn't the right thing to do.

Now that WWE has a stronger World Title scene, they should focus on creating someone for Cody to feud with. I thought they were building Ted DiBiase back up, but he's gone again. If they were smart, they'd turn Barrett face and let him chase the IC Title again.
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