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| Zack Ryder Demoted | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 28 2011, 09:21 AM (773 Views) | |
| _DL_ | Dec 28 2011, 09:21 AM Post #1 |
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BURN IT DOOOWWNNNNNNNN!
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| Cybrus | Dec 28 2011, 11:21 AM Post #2 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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Please allow me to borrow a quote from Dr. Sheldon Cooper as he so rightfully gloated to his friends that they would be too late to get a good spot in line to see the Indiana Jones movie, when "I told you so" just wasn't strong enough: I informed you thusly! I have been saying for months that Zack Ryder was a flash in the pan and that he'd peak when he got the US Title. I give him all the credit in the world for getting himself over when WWE wouldn't, but he's done nothing to advance himself since getting back on TV. He's just playing to goof character that will be popular for a short time, but will see his popularity fade. In order for him to stay in his spot, he'd have to actually do something to his character to give it depth and meaning. This would mean that creative would have to be behind him. Since creative clearly has never been behind Zack Ryder in the first place and since they are just coasting on his internet popularity, then I don't see them doing anything to make Zack Ryder more than the current comedy act he is. So, yeah, he's peaked and it's all downhill for him now. |
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| 15 Shows | Dec 28 2011, 08:14 PM Post #3 |
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Aint cheatin aint tryin
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Calm down Cybrus. Much like I did for CM Punk, Im gonna stick up for Zack Ryder here. I dont like CM Punk, and I cant stand Zack Ryder. But I know when someone is over and when someone isnt. Your right, Zack Ryder is a flash in the pan. Hes terrible in every sense. But hes still over and not the reason for the low ratings. The reason for the low ratings would be mainly Daniel Bryan and Alberto Del Rio. Even Miz, people dont give a shit about him anymore. So if anyone can quote Sheldon Cooper it would be me. I told everyone The Miz wont last. He went from main eventing Wrestlemania to teaming with R-Truth to literally fueding with no one.
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| Cybrus | Dec 28 2011, 09:50 PM Post #4 |
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Wow, you really went over the "completely wrong" level and into the "obsessed" level, huh? Where to start? Where to start? First of all, this is all about the ratings report for last week's show. Ratings never dropped when Miz was WWE Champion. Ratings didn't even drop during Miz's segment last week. But when Ryder, Bryan, and Punk were on camera for both the opening promo and the final match, the ratings went down. This is the first time the ratings went down like this, so WWE is assuming it is either Ryder or Bryan. I'd say it's both, but it seems they are targeting Ryder right now (and Bryan later, most likely). As far as Ryder being over, he is very over in some areas (like New York), but there are other areas where he gets lackluster reactions and even no reactions. He's really only over in the internet markets. You go to a city/state where the crowd isn't known to be internet marks and you'll see that Ryder gets those lackluster reactions. It was just a few weeks on Raw that I even commented on the same thing. So Ryder isn't really over with the crowd. He's just over with the internet crowds. So I once again quote Sheldon: I informed you thusly. |
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| 15 Shows | Dec 28 2011, 10:19 PM Post #5 |
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I think you and I both know WWE has more to worry about then just this past weeks ratings. WWE has been shit since 2009. |
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| Cybrus | Dec 28 2011, 10:30 PM Post #6 |
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I agree the product has been bad for a while and terrible at certain points, but the ratings have pretty much remained the same. WWE saw a pretty drastic drop in just quarter hour ratings where they were losing hundreds of thousands of fans instantly. That's what they are reacting to. |
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| Lionheart | Dec 28 2011, 11:21 PM Post #7 |
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Heat Lifer
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Daniel Bryan is essentially the Jack Swagger of 2011, so I don't expect him to have a lengthy reign. If he actually does make it to Wrestlemania, someone like Orton will have to be inserted to carry the feud. Zack Ryder getting depushed doesn't surprise me either. He's pretty much doomed to be another Santino/Eugene if he doesn't change up or add more to his character. And Shows, aside from jobbing to Alex Riley (who the company was hoping would be their next midcard face, not Ryder), Miz has stayed in the upper-midcard level all year. He isn't lost his place on the card or his reactions with the crowd. |
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| Cybrus | Dec 29 2011, 12:00 AM Post #8 |
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Not to mention he's main evented more PPVs this year than anyone not named Cena: Royal Rumble Elimination Chamber WrestleMania Extreme Rules Over the Limit Survivor Series TLC That is 7 PPVs out of 13 that Miz was in a main event match. That's not counting him running in and interfering in the HIAC main event or his tag team match with Truth against Triple H and Punk. Miz may not be in the WWE Title picture right now, but for anyone to say he's been demoted is simply denial. The Champion is the focal of the show. Punk and Del Rio have been WWE Champion and have been the focal points of the show for the second half of the year. |
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| 15 Shows | Dec 29 2011, 04:02 AM Post #9 |
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I never said he was demoted. You pointed out facts that mean nothing to the case Im making. Your facts of him main eventing PPV's only tells me that he has not been depushed. Which I never claimed he was. However I will say Miz is just lucky to be apart of one of the worst rosters WWE has ever had. All Im saying is that Miz has gone as far as he is going to go. And heres my facts. Since his main event win at Wrestlemania. Which by the way was one of the worst Wrestlemania main event matches in history. Which I said it would be. Since then, Miz dropped the title quickly. Teamed up with R-Truth and was out done by him every week. They jobbed to The Rock and Cena. Then he took on this character where he took guys out, and the only thing that came of that was a few shitty promos. And now hes fueding with no one and teaming with Del Rio for the most part. Im just saying he sucks, not saying hes been depushed. Hell I think he might face Punk at Mania for the WWE Title. But what do I know. |
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| Cybrus | Dec 29 2011, 11:16 AM Post #10 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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And once again you show how wrong you are. But we've had this discussion about Miz before and I don't feel like repeating myself. Feel free to look up any of my previous explanations for why Miz is better than you give him credit. |
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| 15 Shows | Dec 29 2011, 05:13 PM Post #11 |
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I dont think I said anything that wasnt the truth in my post. Whats your case for Miz? "Hes one of the best on the mic" bla bla. He copies Chris Jericho first off. And whatever good promos he was able to cut a year ago have long passed. He comes out makes his stupid frog face talks real quiet and cuts terrible promos week in and week out. R-Truth was a million times better then him during there alliance. And thats the truth. |
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| Cybrus | Dec 30 2011, 12:40 AM Post #12 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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Awesome Truth was a fun pairing and both guys played their roles well, but Miz was the stronger of the two. He was the one that brought credibility to the team. R-Truth was nothing but the comic relief of the team. And this is going to prove itself in the next few months as Miz remains at his spot while R-Truth eventually falls to the wayside just like all of the other worthless people that they've teamed with Miz in hopes of them getting some kind of heat off Miz. |
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| 15 Shows | Dec 30 2011, 04:10 AM Post #13 |
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Just cause you say Miz was the stronger of the two doesnt mean your right. Truth has become one of the best talents in the WWE over the past year and over shadowed Miz during there pairing almost every night. |
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| Cybrus | Dec 30 2011, 11:12 AM Post #14 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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And just because you say he isn't doesn't mean you're right. You're actually wrong about most things you say when talking about the current wrestling product.
R-Truth did grow as a performer when paired with Miz, I agree. I'm not convinced that he'll stay entertaining on his own since he was the very definition of "comedy sidekick". That was his role of the tag team. Now that he has no one to play off of and carry him, I think we'll see him go back to being the bland and boring and annoying guy he was before his pairing with Truth. Oh, and did you hear the crowd reaction he got when he was attacking Miz? Yeah, me neither. That's because the crowd was dead silent during his attack. Way to overshadow the guy that never fails to get a reaction, huh?
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| 15 Shows | Dec 31 2011, 08:08 AM Post #15 |
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Aint cheatin aint tryin
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Man you have some sort of werid crush on Miz or something. Never fails to get a reaction? Gimme a break. And you say he carried Truth. Hahahaha how retarded. Neither of them carried each other. Neither of them played off each other at all. They just came out as two heels and pretty much just cut there own sepreate promos. Miz's were shitty, Truth's were good. There was no playing off of anyone or carrying. You may be right about Truth going back to being bland and boring. If he drops the crazy act and the little jimmy stuff then yeah. But as long as he sticks to that hell be much more entertaining then Miz. Not that, thats hard to do. Miz hasnt gotten a real reaction in months, sorry to break it to you kid. How am I mostly wrong about todays product?? Cuz I dont think CM Punk is "great". Big whoop, he isnt. Thats not to say I dont think hes one of the best right now and he doesnt deserve to be champion. Cuz he does. Hes just nothing special is all. And my biggest knock on him is the fact that he needs to be able to break kayfabe to have a good promo. I think thats a legitimate knock. No? I think Randy Orton is the best wrestler in the world right now? Just cause I called it years and years ago when all you thought he did was headlocks, doesnt mean Im wrong. I think WWE sucks right now. Am I so wrong in saying that? No. It does. Thats just how it is bro. Accept it. |
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| Cybrus | Dec 31 2011, 10:52 AM Post #16 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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Nope, I just enjoy proving you wrong every time you come babbling your nonsense. You are clearly obsessed with hating Miz. You take shots at him every chance you get, even when it's not relevant to the current thread. This makes me think that you actually like Miz and just don't want to admit it. Um, yeah, that's all I'm going to respond to. The rest of your reply bored me. I've already explained why you are wrong about everything you said multiple times already. I'm not going to keep repeating myself to a guy that is clearly just a troll.
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| 15 Shows | Dec 31 2011, 08:42 PM Post #17 |
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Actually you just know Im right. You throw around meaningless claims of me being wrong about most of the stuff I say about todays product. Mainly because of the fact that you realise how wrong you are about The Miz and everything. Its just the simple case of me being right and you being wrong. Your not tired of proving me wrong, cuz no one would be tired of that. Your tired of being wrong. Ill be here all week cupcake.
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| Cybrus | Jan 1 2012, 05:34 AM Post #18 |
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No, it's just because you are like a record on repeat. You just say the exact same things over and over. You never have anything new to say and it's boring. You're wrong just like always. |
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| 15 Shows | Jan 1 2012, 07:34 AM Post #19 |
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Why would I change what Im saying if Im right? Sorry I dont spin circles around what I say and then back out when I know Im wrong like...lets say...you. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 1 2012, 07:41 AM Post #20 |
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Because you are very rarely right when talking about the current product. We'll stick to your favorite wrestler one more time: The Miz. Remember how you claimed he'd be out of the spotlight and forgotten when he dropped the belt? And here we are 6 months later and he's still main event PPVs and getting title shots. Must suck to be you, huh? |
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| SRP76 | Jan 3 2012, 04:36 AM Post #21 |
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The Man. Any Questions?
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So much for that demotion. |
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| Henry_Townshend | Jan 7 2012, 02:12 PM Post #22 |
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I think you're wrong. Ryder right now is one of the popular guys out there. If creative won't screw him over he will be holding that title for quite some time and even if they will he will just use Chiopetta's story to vent on them until they give him another shot. You like it or not but Ryder is there for the win. I would believe that what you write is what you yourself want to go down but deep down you know that Zack will prevail. Guy been through worse. Hell it's not like all his internet fans will suddenly just disappear. Yes he will loose some but also gain some. He has proved that he is more than capable off putting himself over and the more frustrated he gets the more entertaining his shows get also so I really can't see any flaws on that front than it comes to Long Island Iced Z. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 7 2012, 09:46 PM Post #23 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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No he's not. He's real popular in certain cities, but a lot of weeks he doesn't get that big of a pop. |
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| Kraul | Jan 8 2012, 03:26 AM Post #24 |
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Why is it that when these three (two of them undoubtedly two of the most popular superstars in WWE) are a big focus point on Raw and the show gets a low rating, it's blamed on them - but when Raw is the usual John Cena show (or even Triple H show years ago) and gets a low rating, it's blamed on something outside of WWE's control? This is just something that has been bothering me. Edited by Kraul, Jan 8 2012, 03:31 AM.
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| Cybrus | Jan 8 2012, 08:21 AM Post #25 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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1) Cena and Triple H have had enough opportunities to be tested. By this I mean that they have shown that they can draw in high ratings. So even if they do draw the occasional low ratings, they still have the good ratings to fall back on. 2) I don't think WWE really wants to push Ryder. He got popular not because of them. He got himself popular. WWE is going to ride his self made popularity without doing anything to make sure he stays popular and then they are going to toss him back aside when his short lived popularity dies out. WWE has no interest in "making" Zack Ryder. |
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| Henry_Townshend | Jan 8 2012, 04:31 PM Post #26 |
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Well he sure does get a more positive reaction than Cena. I dunno what you have been watching but he gets more and more cheers each week. His popularity is sky rocketing. Can't see why WWE would decide to ditch the guy for your dislike of him bro;). I can't see a massive hater in you....but don't worry time tells no lies .
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| SRP76 | Jan 8 2012, 05:10 PM Post #27 |
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The Man. Any Questions?
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My ballsack gets a more positive reaction than Cena. That's no kind of proof. |
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| Cybrus | Jan 8 2012, 05:39 PM Post #28 |
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It skyrocketed. As in past tense. Ryder did get himself very popular with the online crowd and I give him all the credit in the world for that. WWE couldn't get him over, but he did. But WWE isn't seriously behind him. He's had no kind of character development since he came back on TV. WWE is just riding the wave of popularity he created for himself. Thus, it will be short lived. You will see. |
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| SRP76 | Jan 8 2012, 06:04 PM Post #29 |
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The Man. Any Questions?
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I like Zack, and think he'll be big. Cybrus is forgetting how retarded fans are. Even though I like ZR, I'd normally admit he's right. But come on. You have retards popping for fucking Hornswoggle to this very day. They'll go nuts for any face not named John Cena. So I say Zack's popularity will last until he turns heel. The only boos will be from the smark know-it-alls. The casual fans will still go crazy, even for the same old shit. Edited by SRP76, Jan 8 2012, 06:05 PM.
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| 15 Shows | Jan 8 2012, 07:21 PM Post #30 |
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Aint cheatin aint tryin
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All that really matters to me is if Zack Ryder is a good wrestler or a bad wrestler. I copuld give a shit who the crowd likes and all that bullshit. At the end of the day, Zack Ryder sucks. |
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