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Harry Potter Marathon
Topic Started: Feb 17 2012, 11:22 AM (3,669 Views)
Kraul

I'm a very casual fan of the Harry Potter movies, at best. I've never read the books and will almost certainly never read them, and I've never delved very deeply into the lore, I've never waited with bated breath for the next film release... I've only just caught a handful of them on TV over the years and enjoyed them in passing. I know about as much about them as the average person knows about Star Wars. I can name a few names, throw out a handful of plot points, and that's about the extent of my knowledge.

This is part of why I'm so interested in doing what I'm about to do. I've long mentioned wanting to do this and fairly recently it became an option for me at long last after obtaining copies of all of the Harry Potter movies.

I'm going to engage in a semi-marathon of all eight of the Harry Potter films. "Semi" because I'm not going to watch them back-to-back nonstop or even without watching anything else in-between, but I'm going to try to watch at least one a night until the series is complete.

I'll be going into this with a mostly fresh mind towards the series, having only seen three or four partly and remembering very little about them. I know enough to know that I enjoy the series but little more than that.

Anyway, I'll post my play-by-play commentary immediately after I finish each film. I figure a typical play-by-play style will be more efficient and honest than a review done totally after the movie is over. Not to mention a lot easier for me.

I will also keep a record of my personal ratings (using a six star voting system) in the first post just for organizational reasons.

So it begins!

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Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone
:fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :emptystar: :emptystar:

Harry Potter & The Chamber of Secrets
:fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :emptystar: :emptystar: :emptystar:

Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azkaban
:fullstar: :fullstar: :emptystar: :emptystar: :emptystar: :emptystar:

Harry Potter & The Goblet Of Fire
:fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :halfstar: :emptystar: :emptystar:

Harry Potter & The Order of the Phoenix
:fullstar: :fullstar: :emptystar: :emptystar: :emptystar: :emptystar:

Harry Potter & The Half-Blood Prince
:fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :halfstar:

Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part I
:fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :emptystar: :emptystar:

Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part II
:fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :fullstar: :emptystar:


An explanation of the review system taken from a post of mine later in this thread:

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I think the review system will be mostly how much I enjoyed it and how satisfied I felt with it overall.

I guess the system could be described as:
6 - Incredible/no complaints (or so few and so small they don't matter)
5 - Very entertaining but left me wanting for a little more.
4 - Above average. Entertaining but far from blown away.
3 - Average. Nothing special, but nothing terrible.
2 - Below average. Not the worst, but less than memorable with plenty of flaws.
1 - Really terrible. Feels like a waste of time and energy.
0 - Crime against humanity?

In truth, I would prefer using a five star system since it's not a big enough difference between 4 and 5 (at least not one that's easy to explain) but I've gotta play into that 6 Star gimmick, man.
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Kraul

I've seen this movie before, but I have since forgotten almost every detail from it. Honestly, all I can remember is that I didn't care for it originally and thinking how funny Hermione looks with her huge poofy hair.

Instead of purely compiling my thoughts after it's over, I'll do some play-by-play while I watch it. I'm watching while also playing a game - it's the best my attention span can muster nowadays, I'm afraid - so I'll try my best. This will probably be a long post, so... a warning beforehand:

It's very odd seeing a different person playing Dumbledore. Very odd indeed. I also forgot how huge Hagrid is supposed to be. From what I've seen of the movies, he's one of my favorite characters, so I'm surprised I've forgotten that detail.

His adopted family is absolutely horrible. :lol: They seem a bit cartoonishly awful, but they all do a pretty good job at making me dislike them.

I'm not entirely sure what that snake bit is about. I'm taking an early guess to say it's somebody imprisoned in snake form or something? Also, how Harry could simply look at the glass and make it disappear? Maybe my understanding of this universe's magic is lacking more than I thought.

The persistence of the letters from Hogwarts, especially the scene where they're making it rain with envelopes reminds me of what's like to open my fan mailbag. :cool: Only all of the letters are from James_Sunderland, unfortunately. :-/

Why didn't they just send Hagrid after the first few letters? Or maybe in the first place? But wow, I did not realize how strong he was, too!

So far, Harry's acting is... well... he definitely refined his craft as he grew older.

I didn't even realize they were members of his real family. I understand more why they treat him so terribly now, and why they would have given him to such awful people.

Why isn't Hagrid allowed to do magic?

I didn't realize everybody already knew about Harry before he was anybody of importance at all. I've always thought that he was more of a Luke Skywalker type; pre-destined for greatness but nobody even suspects he's anything but a normal albeit gifted student except for the higher ups and those who are out to keep him from achieving his greatness.

The goblins in the bank look like albino midget orcs. I wonder if that's Warwick Davis as the vault escort? He sounds and walks like him.

I also never realized that Harry Potter was so amazingly wealthy. I was about to wonder aloud about what's in Vault 713, but I suppose that's the Philospher's Sorcerer’s Stone.

I'm only a half hour into it, and it feels like I've already doubled my knowledge of the Harry Potter universe. :lol: For example, I had no idea that a wand wasn't just a wand and that different wands work better with different people. I always thoughts wands were kind of like shirts. They all do their job right, but you choose one over another and hold on to it purely for aesthetics.

Ooh, first mention of Voldemort... kind of. Their eventual battle is already being laid out. I didn't think it was all in place and made into a big deal this early. Why can't they say Voldemort's name, anyway? I've never understood that really. And why didn't Voldemort just kill Harry? Is he thinking about Harry maybe being an apprentice of his some day? That's the only reason I can think of that doesn't suck.

I remember a skit from Conan O'Brien when this was out in the theater, making fun of the accents and saying how hard it was to understand them for the average American audience. I don't know if it's spending the last ten years in a culture that is much different than the decade before this movie came out, or what, but absolutely none of these accents are hard to understand in the least. :-/

How did Mrs. Weasley know Harry was legit? And how did nobody else see them or see them going through the wall? Did they spend the entire walk through the train station invisible or something? And even Ron had heard about Harry already?

I can't help but look at Ron's pet and think about what happens to him later on. And Hermione is here... I also can't help but chuckle knowing that some day she and Ron will be bumping uglies. :lol:

Sorting hat time! I took a test online that put me firmly in Slytherin House, so even though I know that's supposed to be the "bad" house and is mainly represented by a pompous weasel, but seeing that the sorting hat chose it for me, I have to feel some kind of attachment to them. :cool: Besides... Voldemort is one of the best characters.

Nevel makes me think about a recent post on Facebook by a girl I know. She and some of her girlfriends posted a multi-year picture of him basically saying how he started out looking like he'd never get a date, grew into a guy who definitely looked like he would be forever alone, but ultimately wound up as some sort of stud. :lol:

Motherfuckin' Snape. My favorite character by far. Let's see if that continues as I watch this series.

Why is the sorting hat being so dramatic for Harry? :lol: I wonder how different the movies would have played out had he been assigned to Slytherin?

I do not remember Billy Connolly(sp?) being in this series! Bad ass! And Hermione was such a little bitch this early in the series.

Off topic a bit, but I wonder if that cat that the teacher (I don't know her name) was in the form of is a legit breed? It was a gorgeous breed.

Oh my lucky stars! A negro! I honestly didn't know non-caucasian humans existed in the Harry Potter universe other than the one asian girl Harry has a thing with later on.

"... I want you to mount it. And grip it tight, you don't want to be sliding off the end. … I want each of you to kick off from the ground hard, keep your broom steady, hover for a moment, then lean forward slightly, and touch back down." Sound advice from the whistle lady. :lol:

Hospital wing? She doesn't know a spell to instantly heal him? Oh my, Malfoy actually said “ass”? Those Weasley twins are two of my favorites, too.

I did not know that the Cerberus, or whatever it's called in this universe, was in this movie. I thought it was one of the next ones. My god, Hermione is such a little bitch.

And here come the scenes I don't care about... Quidditch. Even in games the in-universe games/sports of choice always disinterest me. But then again, I'm not much of a sports person so these wouldn't interest me in our universe either.

The kid showing him the ropes was looking all over the place in the complete opposite direction than where the snitch was flying! :lol: One downside of acting with invisible characters/objects. And this teacher just has to be played by Warwick Davis. That kid that keeps causing explosions is hilarious. :lol:

I wonder how much shorter the movie would have been had that guy's turban fallen off just now when he fainted and revealed Voldemort's face underneath it? :lol: This movie is starting to come back to me now for sure. Actually, it's been off and on familiar for the last half hour or so, but now is the part I remember best of all (the troll part). The troll looks like Sloth from The Goonies. And five points taken/ten points awarded from/to Griffindor? What is that all about, anyway?

I'm assuming the world of magic has existed for hundreds or even thousands of years, yet the most efficient method of travel they've come up with is a flying broom?

Anybody else think that Quidditch teacher would probably be an animal in bed? She's good looking and comes off really stern, but has this aura to her that she's really affectionate when you get the chance. Hmm.

I remember this game. Snape does his magic. Androgynous Guinan looking kid does play-by-play. Hermione starts fire. I spend ten minutes bored out of my mind. If there are any other Quidditch games in future movies, I'm skipping them. On a side note, if I didn't already know John Williams did the score for this movie, this scene would have given it away by far. It sounds like the song was ripped straight from one of the Star Wars prequels.

Why do the people of this magical realm celebrate Christmas? What kind of impact could Jesus Christ or Christianity have ever had in their world? I guess maybe the original pagan holiday Christianity hijacked originated from or was celebrated in this realm originally and just kind of turned into a more modern version of Christmas because of all the kids coming from the Muggle world?

You know, I've spent so much of my life daydreaming about a better life... I've actually spent almost all of my life daydreaming about a better life... that I know that if I had access to that mirror, it would be a very bad thing. I would be one of those people who just spend all the hours of their days gazing into it. I've already more or less begun to waste away myself.

I know the books were renamed but was the movie "Sorcerer's Stone" everywhere or just in America? I wonder this because if I wonder if it the mentions of "Sorcerer’s Stone" in the movie say "Philosopher's Stone" elsewhere? And Fluffy, that's the three-headed dog's name. That's right.

Hermione might act like a little bitch through a lot of this movie, but Malfoy acts like another kind of little bitch even more. I can't wait for the time when he gets his comeuppance.

The way that Voldemort is moving in this unicorn/centaur scene is incredibly creepy. I could see that leaving a lasting impact on children.

You know, sometimes I feel like Hagrid with his inability to keep things secret. :lol:

Conveniently size changing invisibility cloak is convenient.

It's a good thing Ron is in charge here and not me because holy crap would everybody be screwed. I don't know the first thing about chess. The only kind of chess I've ever played was the Mortal Kombat variety and that was against my brother who somehow knows even less about chess than I do. :-/

Oh yeah, Snape was working to help Potter while the turban guy was conspiring against him. Hmm. I had forgotten about that. I have to say, this just makes Snape more interesting. I already knew he was one of the more complex characters, but I had forgotten just how complex he was. This is going to be interesting to follow along with his growth.

Wait, why does Voldemort have a nose here?

With this bed scene, I half expect a bunch of Hobbits to come running into the room in slow motion and Harry to share a homoerotic moment with Samwise. And, once again, this actor for Dumbledore just seems off. I much prefer the guy who followed him when he died.

I love those every flavor beans. The combination of dirt, grass, and earthworm was particularly memorable.

Well that explains the point system. The points still seem kind of... tacked on and not very well thought out, also seem to be rather loose as if they're straight out of Whose Line Is It Anyway, but at least it somewhat makes sense now. I suppose they do the point system for each year of schooling? Which, how long are these school years supposed to be anyhow? The same length as a normal school year? If so, then it makes me wonder how prepared for the Muggles world these kids are going to be when they reach adult age. There's nothing shown to indicate that the kids are taught any non-magic related information, really.


Anyway, that's the first movie in the books.

Final thoughts:

After the half hour, I began to remember a lot more of the movie than I thought I did going into it. It all started to come back to me.

Originally, my opinion of this opening installment of the Harry Potter film franchise was of mediocrity. I didn't much care for it and thought it most forgettable, but after watching it I began to slowly realize that a lot of the moments I remembered most about the Harry Potter movies I've seen already (the first three or four) were actually in this movie - such as the invisibility cloak, Fluffy, the mirror, Voldemort on the man's head, etc. I have to say that my original long held opinion about the movie was a mistake. While I was not blown away by any means, it's a much better movie than I gave it credit for and not quite as child oriented as I remembered - although it's still much more child oriented than what I remember from later movies.

I don't know if it's my tiredness or just my lack of familiarity with the Harry Potter series, but I honestly can't remember which is next or anything about it at this time. However, I do have them ordered chronologically so that's not a concern and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the rest of this story as it unfolds.

Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone:
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I'm going to reply to this as I'm reading it, so expect a lot me quoting you and replying. :tu:

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It's very odd seeing a different person playing Dumbledore. Very odd indeed.

I actually like the first actor better. He just seems kinder, more soft spoken but universally respected, and just more true to the Dumbledore that was described in the book. It's a shame he had to die, because I think the series would have been even better with him as the only Dumbledore.

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I also forgot how huge Hagrid is supposed to be.

I don't think they actually say it in the movies, even though they do a great job visually with it. But Hagrid is suppose to be twice as tall as the average man and three times as wide.

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I'm not entirely sure what that snake bit is about. I'm taking an early guess to say it's somebody imprisoned in snake form or something? .

This may contain spoilers for future movies, so skip this paragraph if you don't want to know. Talking to snakes is usually a sign of a dark wizard. It's not a common trait, even among wizards. Harry gets this trait directly from Voldemort when Voldemort attacked Harry and...well, the rest is definitely spoilers, so I will wait.

Also, remember this snake. You'll see it again. It's just a question if you'll actually recognize it.

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Also, how Harry could simply look at the glass and make it disappear? Maybe my understanding of this universe's magic is lacking more than I thought

When kids first start developing magic, they have very little control over it. It usually just bursts out of them when they feel a very strong emotion. So when Harry was upset with his cousin, he accidentally made the glass disappear with magic, even though he doesn't know or understand how he did it.

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I didn't even realize they were members of his real family. I understand more why they treat him so terribly now, and why they would have given him to such awful people.

The woman is his mother's sister, so Harry's biological aunt. They were forced to adopt Harry by Dumbledore. Spoiler alert: Dumbledore puts Harry here because as long as he is with blood family, Voldemort/Death Eaters cannot find him. He's untraceable here.

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Why isn't Hagrid allowed to do magic?

Spoiler for Chamber of Secrets: Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts in his third year when he was accused of opening the Chamber of Secrets. His wand was snapped in half, but it is hinted that Dumbledore placed it in a pink umbrella and lets Hagrid do some magic.

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The goblins in the bank look like albino midget orcs.

Did you notice Mini-Me as a goblin?

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Ooh, first mention of Voldemort... kind of.

One thing that has always annoyed me about the movies is how they mispronounce Voldemort. The T is silent, the book author has said this several times. It should be pronounced like saying the word "more". Voldemort. I'm not sure why they did it wrong, especially since the first movie followed the book so closely.

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Why can't they say Voldemort's name, anyway? I've never understood that really. And why didn't Voldemort just kill Harry? Is he thinking about Harry maybe being an apprentice of his some day? That's the only reason I can think of that doesn't suck.

Voldemort did try to kill Harry. He used the killing curse. Harry is the only person to ever survive the killing curse, and that is why he is famous. That's why everyone in the wizarding world knows Harry's name. Voldemort didn't succeed because...you'll find out later.

They don't say Voldemort's name because he's the epitome of evil in this series. A lot of people are scared of the name Voldemort and even more are afraid of what the name symbolizes. But this does set up some cool dialog for Harry, Hermione, and Dumbledore later in the series.

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Motherfuckin' Snape. My favorite character by far. Let's see if that continues as I watch this series.

I agree that Snape is fucking awesome. I will not say anything to spoil anything about Snape for you, but I will say that I think he remains a fucking awesome character all the way to the end. There is never a time when I was watching and thought "well, they fucked Snape".

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Why is the sorting hat being so dramatic for Harry? :lol:

I've always wondered if only Harry hears the Sorting Hat. I'm sure the Sorting Hat would have spoken to everyone, right? But only the person wearing it hears it, maybe?

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I did not know that the Cerberus, or whatever it's called in this universe,

Hagrid names him Fluffy. :lol:

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And here come the scenes I don't care about... Quidditch. Even in games the in-universe games/sports of choice always disinterest me. But then again, I'm not much of a sports person so these wouldn't interest me in our universe either.

My EXACT feelings!

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And five points taken/ten points awarded from/to Griffindor? What is that all about, anyway?

The 4 houses have a point competition during the year. Students of each house are rewarded points for different things and points get taken away from each house if a student breaks a rule or whatever. At the end of the year, the house with the most points wins the House Cup. It's kind of cool.

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I'm assuming the world of magic has existed for hundreds or even thousands of years, yet the most efficient method of travel they've come up with is a flying broom?

No. The most significant means of travel is not a flying broom. The thing to remember is that we are learning about the world of magic as Harry learns about the world of magic. It's a great way to introduce everyone to the magic world without making it feel like we're being talked down to. You'll learn of different and better ways of travel in later movies. Well, there are 2 other ways to travel. One way is far superior.

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Why do the people of this magical realm celebrate Christmas? What kind of impact could Jesus Christ or Christianity have ever had in their world?

Well, a lot of people do come from muggle parents. Some kids are the first in their entire family to ever be magical. Most other have at least 1 parent/grandparent that wasn't magical. So most grew up with the holiday, and once it's tradition you don't change. :shrug:

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I know the books were renamed but was the movie "Sorcerer's Stone" everywhere or just in America? I wonder this because if I wonder if it the mentions of "Sorcerer’s Stone" in the movie say "Philosopher's Stone" elsewhere?

Philosopher's Stone world wide, renamed Sorcerer's Stone just for the U.S.

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I can't wait for the time when he gets his comeuppance.

You're going to like a scene in movie 6 then. :tu:

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Conveniently size changing invisibility cloak is convenient.

They used a green cloth to do the computer graphics, like green screen. I point this out for one reason: If you go back to the scene where Harry shows Ron the mirror, when they throw off the cloak you can clearly see the green cloth they used. :lol:

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Which, how long are these school years supposed to be anyhow? The same length as a normal school year? If so, then it makes me wonder how prepared for the Muggles world these kids are going to be when they reach adult age. There's nothing shown to indicate that the kids are taught any non-magic related information, really.

School year is about 10 months long. Harry gets the summer out each year. And most of these students will get magical jobs, thus not needing muggle study. Although, there are muggle study classes, which is barely mentioned in just 1 scene in movie 6.

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and not quite as child oriented as I remembered - although it's still much more child oriented than what I remember from later movies.

That's kind of my complaint against the first (and second) movie. These are 11 year old kids doing things that are suppose to stop fully trained wizards. That has always annoyed me.

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but I honestly can't remember which is next or anything about it at this time.

Chamber of Secrets :)
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And now I can quote your quotes since you seem to be done quoting me. :lol:

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Also, remember this snake. You'll see it again. It's just a question if you'll actually recognize it.


I figured we'd see it again, but I thought it'd be in the same movie. That's not something I'd expect most people to remember - unless of course they point it out, which they could always do I suppose.

As long as my eyes are on the screen when he appears, I should remember.

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Spoiler alert: Dumbledore puts Harry here because as long as he is with blood family, Voldemort/Death Eaters cannot find him. He's untraceable here.


I was assuming it was just for the same reason Kenobi takes Luke to his Uncle Owen's place in that it was family that was distant enough to be safe but still family.

I hope they'll explain exactly how simply being with blood family makes him untraceable.

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...but it is hinted that Dumbledore placed it in a pink umbrella and lets Hagrid do some magic.


Before he told Harry he's not supposed to do magic, he did something magical with what looked like an umbrella. At the time, I just thought it was a wand hidden in some cloth or something - which was weird since I had never known Hagrid for being magical.

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Did you notice Mini-Me as a goblin?


Nope.

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One thing that has always annoyed me about the movies is how they mispronounce Voldemort. The T is silent, the book author has said this several times. It should be pronounced like saying the word "more". Voldemort. I'm not sure why they did it wrong, especially since the first movie followed the book so closely.


Kind of like when people pronounce "Illinois" as "ill-eh-noy-ss". It's annoying but if they didn't want people to make that mistake, it shouldn't have been spelled that way. :lol:

"Voldemor" would just sound odd to me since all I've ever known is the version with the hard T at the end. It sounds a little more elegant, but very odd now.

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You'll learn of different and better ways of travel in later movies. Well, there are 2 other ways to travel. One way is far superior.


I know of the flying car, if that's one. Which is... different.

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Philosopher's Stone world wide, renamed Sorcerer's Stone just for the U.S.


So in the non-American versions do they say "Philosopher's Stone" when they mention it in dialogue? I was trying to tell by looking at the lips, but they move their lips so little when speaking (damn english mouths) that it can be hard to tell.

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Chamber of Secrets


Which I know I've seen but at this time I honestly can not recall a single thing from. I'm sure when I start to watch it, though, it'll start to come back to me - much like the first. Although how much exactly I don't know since most of my Harry Potter memories were apparently from the first movie (which caught me by surprise).
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I figured we'd see it again, but I thought it'd be in the same movie. That's not something I'd expect most people to remember - unless of course they point it out, which they could always do I suppose.

Nope. It's not something they point out at all. I read all 7 books several times and watched all the movies several times and didn't even know it until the author of the books said something on her website. Then it all became so clear and obvious. Since I've pointed this out, you might be looking for it and spot it. If not, I'll point it out at the end of the last movie.

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Nope. (Mini Me as Goblin)

It's really cool since the author of the books basically demanded that all the actors be British (or whatever their character nationality is in the books). So to see a U.S. actor in the series is really cool. Even though you didn't notice him...apparently.

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I know of the flying car, if that's one. Which is... different.

Flying car can count, but it isn't one I was thinking of. Hagrid has a flying motorcycle (did you happen to catch who that motorcycle belonged to). Although, flying vehicles isn't common in the magic world. They try to keep the magic world a secret, so seeing flying vehicles wouldn't do that. I believe the car and motorcycle are the only 2 flying vehicles in the entire series.

Now that I think of it, there is a third/fourth way of transporting. First way was broom. You'll learn a second way in the second movie. A third way in the fourth movie. And I think you have to wait until the 6th movie to learn the best way.

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So in the non-American versions do they say "Philosopher's Stone" when they mention it in dialogue? I was trying to tell by looking at the lips, but they move their lips so little when speaking (damn english mouths) that it can be hard to tell.

This is some cool movie trivia I found, but forget where. When they recorded the first movie, they had to film every scene where they said "Sorcerer's Stone" twice. During the first recording, they said Philosopher's Stone. This was released world wide. Then they filmed a second version where they said Sorcerer's Stone just for the U.S. market. You can watch the lips as closely as you want, but they say Sorcerer's Stone just because it was recorded for the U.S. If you can happen to download a non-U.S. version, then they'll say Philosopher's Stone.

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Although how much exactly I don't know since most of my Harry Potter memories were apparently from the first movie (which caught me by surprise).

That might be a good thing, though. You've already expressed interest in watching several things in the series (Snape, for example). If most of your memories came from the first movie, then that leaves you a lot of movies to learn more stuff about what is already becoming your favorite parts of the series.
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It's really cool since the author of the books basically demanded that all the actors be British (or whatever their character nationality is in the books). So to see a U.S. actor in the series is really cool. Even though you didn't notice him...apparently.


Was Vern Troyer the one that unlocked the vault?

I had thought in the moment that it was Warwick Davis, but afterwards decided that if any of them were, maybe it was the "lead" goblin (the one they talk to at the desk) that he played - if he played any of them at all, that is.

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This is some cool movie trivia I found, but forget where. When they recorded the first movie, they had to film every scene where they said "Sorcerer's Stone" twice. During the first recording, they said Philosopher's Stone. This was released world wide. Then they filmed a second version where they said Sorcerer's Stone just for the U.S. market. You can watch the lips as closely as you want, but they say Sorcerer's Stone just because it was recorded for the U.S. If you can happen to download a non-U.S. version, then they'll say Philosopher's Stone.


And it all could have been avoided if the publishers hadn't underestimated their audience with the books and movies.

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That might be a good thing, though. You've already expressed interest in watching several things in the series (Snape, for example). If most of your memories came from the first movie, then that leaves you a lot of movies to learn more stuff about what is already becoming your favorite parts of the series.


It's definitely a rather unique perspective going into a movie series. The only other time I had this level of familiarity going into a series was with Star Wars around the time Attack of the Clones came out. I had seen them all up to that point before but remembered very little and knew very little about the lore or the stories, but when Attack of the Clones came out I wound up watching them all over again with the perspective of some familiarity but mostly fresh eyes.

I think it might be the best way to watch a multi-movie series. It erases that cautious and confusing feeling of not being familiar at all with the material but also keeps it fresh enough to make the experience still feel new to you. And when it comes to what little you know going into it, you can just use that head start as a way to look a little deeper at stuff than you normally would.

It's almost a shame I can't do this with movies more often. :lol:
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Was Vern Troyer the one that unlocked the vault?

Yes. Although, he's only in this movie. In future movies, the actor that played Professor Flitwick plays the goblin. Actually, pay attention to Professor Flitwich. He was the very short teacher that showed them how to levitate the feather. You see how he was a really old looking guy with a lot of facial hair? He has a very drastic appearance change soon. I forget if it's the second movie or the third. I think it's the second, when you see him directing the Hogwarts choir (which isn't even in the books). But you'll definitely notice when you see.


When do you plan on watching Chamber of Secrets?
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Was Vern Troyer the one that unlocked the vault?

Yes. Although, he's only in this movie. In future movies, the actor that played Professor Flitwick plays the goblin. Actually, pay attention to Professor Flitwich. He was the very short teacher that showed them how to levitate the feather. You see how he was a really old looking guy with a lot of facial hair? He has a very drastic appearance change soon. I forget if it's the second movie or the third. I think it's the second, when you see him directing the Hogwarts choir (which isn't even in the books). But you'll definitely notice when you see.


When do you plan on watching Chamber of Secrets?
Which I just looked up and Flitwick is played by Warwick Davis, which is who I thought the "lead" goblin was played by too but wasn't completely sure. I was totally sure he played that professor, though, so I'm relieved I at least got that one right. :lol:

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When do you plan on watching Chamber of Secrets?


Most likely some time later tonight.
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That's cool. It's probably a good thing that you take time to talk about each movie in between. Just so you can have any lingering questions answered before watching the next movie. Even if your original reason for waiting isn't to discuss. You know?

About your ranking system, are you ranking on how much you like the movies or on how good the movies are? Because I'm curious to know how you'll rank the movies from most enjoyable to least enjoyable and am not sure if the star system will answer that.
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That's cool. It's probably a good thing that you take time to talk about each movie in between. Just so you can have any lingering questions answered before watching the next movie. Even if your original reason for waiting isn't to discuss. You know?


It gives me time to kind of think over what I just watched. Kind of like sitting back after a big meal and a full stomach. You'll want to eat again later, but for now, you're better off just sitting back for a little bit and letting it digest.

It also will help keep me from burning out. Eight movies that are all over two hours each is a hell of a lot of Harry Potter to take in when you're not used to much of anything from that franchise.

I've mentioned it a few times but I'll mention it again because it's the closest to this I can relate with, but it's kind of like Star Wars. I personally could watch all six back-to-back-to-back if I tried - especially a few years ago when I was really deep into the lore (in fact, I did and had wanted to put the original Clone Wars show in the middle in a second marathon but never got around to it). But for somebody who only knows Star Wars a little bit? Somebody who enjoys the two or three movies they saw but knows very little and only knows some of the basics? Six two hour movies would be a lot to take in.

But I think I'll be able to do this. If I start to feel like it's wearing on me, maybe I'll kick it up to two movies a day to hurry it up. Although I'm already thinking about the possibility of doing two movies a day already anyway (just because I have the time).

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About your ranking system, are you ranking on how much you like the movies or on how good the movies are? Because I'm curious to know how you'll rank the movies from most enjoyable to least enjoyable and am not sure if the star system will answer that.


I didn't even really put any thought into the ranking system, to be honest. I was at the end of my play-by-play and thought that it would be cool to have a "6 Star" review system at the end pretty much on the spot. :lol:

I think the review system will be mostly how much I enjoyed it and how satisfied I felt with it overall.

I guess the system could be described as:
6 - Incredible/no complaints (or so few and so small they don't matter)
5 - Very entertaining but left me wanting for a little more.
4 - Above average. Entertaining but far from blown away.
3 - Average. Nothing special, but nothing terrible.
2 - Below average. Not the worst, but less than memorable with plenty of flaws.
1 - Really terrible. Feels like a waste of time and energy.
0 - Crime against humanity?

In truth, I would prefer using a five star system since it's not a big enough difference between 4 and 5 (at least not one that's easy to explain) but I've gotta play into that 6 Star gimmick, man.
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But would you even finish a movie that you ranked as a 0 or 1?
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Hell no. :lol:

I think I've finished one or two movies some time in the last ten years that I would probably rank there. One of them I vaguely remember as some awful B horror movie. I can't place any others, but I'm sure there's at least one more.

Most movies that would get a 1 or 0 by me are usually movies were I really can not stand to watch more than a half hour of - if that. A lot of these movies are ones that other people love but I absolutely hated, like Napoleon Dynamite (there's another I finished!) or Super Troopers.

The rating system doesn't account for technical aspects or even any other traditional method of ranking quality, just purely entertainment based.
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Just a few cool Harry Potter related images I saw online:

Maybe he's born with it


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I wish Hagrid was my dad.

There. I said it.
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There is a question I want to ask you about the second movie relating to Hagrid, but I don't want to spoil it for you. So I'm going to ask you this in spoiler tags, but I want you to swear you won't read until after you watch the movie. Seriously, it'll be better after the movie. Resist temptation.

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I clicked on it while I was reading the post but when you said it'd be better after the second movie, I clicked again to close it. :lol:

I didn't see what's inside, I swears it.
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I expected you to cheat, so I didn't ask. You can read the spoiler. You won't see anything. I don't want to forget the questions, so I'm using the staff code. My questions are below, but only staff an see them. I'll go into more detail when I actually ask them. I just quickly jotted them down so I don't forget.

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Now I'm really tempted to look in there out of multi-layer curiosity. :uhoh:
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It's just me calling you a cheater for peaking. :lol:
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Shhh... :uhoh:

We need to stop talking about it... the... Spoiler That Must Not Be Clicked.

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Spoilermort. Don't pronounce the T. I don't care if you are conditioned to say the T. It's wrong. It's like when someone reads fillet and says "let" at the end of the word instead of "lay". It's just fucking wrong!
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After seeing a few clips on Youtube of various Harry Potter scenes, I retract my previous timeline about the different means of travel. I just saw a scene from the coolest part of movie 5 and saw an example of the best way of wizarding travel. And now that I think of it Dobby does it in the second move. So, yeah, in the second movie you'll see the best way to travel, if you just pay attention to Dobby.
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Dobby always makes me think of a proboscis monkey.

I hate proboscis monkeys. :yuck:
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Dobby is my favorite character in the books. He doesn't get much love in the movies though. When something happens in DH1 that made me put the book down and stop reading when I first read it, most people that only watched movie is like "sad, but not terrible". I hate those types of people. That's going to be you. I'll hate you when we discuss this later.
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From what little I've seen of Dobby in the movies, he was just a dude doing less than dudely things for another dude. :shrug:
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You're partially dead to me. :hmmp:
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Chamber of Secrets is a go!

Opening up and Harry is back with his xenophobic cartoonishly awful family.

And now Dobby has appeared. Contain your erection, Cybrus. He's like a very pathetic version of Gollum so far. Also very cartoonish. I was already very suspicious about Dobby and now with him having hidden and horded Harry's letters, I'm even more suspicious. I know ultimately he's not evil, but I'm very suspicious about why he's doing what he's doing. It could be honest and true... or it could be a deeper plot against Potter. After all, if he stays away from school then maybe he can't become stronger.

It's flying car time. If there's one thing the British have, it's ugly automobiles. How would a flying car work anyway? I see nothing to indicate any way to control the direction and altitude (pitch, yaw, roll). And if it's a case of "it's magic!" and that's it, then why use the steering wheel at all? But anyway, I certainly hope this is the last time they have Harry live with his awful relatives.

I'm really not sure what I'm seeing right now. Ohhh.... the Weasley household! I didn't know it was such a magical home. I always thought the Weasley parents were muggles. Huh.

I didn't know the seeds of Ginny and Harry's future relationship this early. It would not suck to be a Weasley though, I have to say. Other than having a pubes that make your genitals look like they're on fire.

Why are people in this universe always so dramatic when name dropping Diagon Alley? It'd be like if I was talking and said "I need some chips and there's only one place I need to go - Walmart!". :lol: I totally thought Harry's mispronunciation wasn't going to be referenced and that the actor just screwed it up. :lol:

Dad! Hagrid! I vaguely remember this scene. Hermione is on the scene. Some of these scenes... so corny. :lol: I remember him, kind of. Villain of the movie I think? Extremely pompous and has Malfoy and Lucius hanging around? Definitely a villain. What did Malfoy tear out anyway? Hmm. As awesomely sinister some of these villains are, they really are over the top. Even Hitler had a sense of humor.

I still wonder if others can see them on the platform. But wait! Now that they missed the gateway, everybody can see them? Is this just something that was/is never addressed? But the gateway is sealed? Is that because it has a time limit or did somebody purposely seal it to keep Harry away? It makes me even more suspicious of Dobby now.

If I ever found myself in a situation like that, falling out of a car door, there's no way I'd be able to grab the handle and hold on like they always do in these movies. I have a hard time even finding the release to get out of a car when I'm in one (unless it is one of mine). :-/

Man, if a tree like that existed in real life and it was stumbled upon, I wonder what kind of ripples it would cause. Suddenly vegetarians would have serious doubts about whether their choice in food can feel or think. :lol: Wait... so the car itself is semi-sentient then? It's it Herbie the Love Bug's distant cousin or something?

Snape! And now I must control my own erection. My point about that walloping willow can be carried over to those screaming root things, too.

Look at those mouths. This is definitely a British cast. That letter was a bit much, wasn't it mummy?

I wonder about the paintings. Do they have another realm they live in and what we see is just a window they feel compelled to stand in front of, or is that the extent of their world? What do you get when you mix smurfs with gremlins? Apparently cornish pixies (or whatever their name was exactly). For being somebody being lifted a dozen feet off the ground by his ears, Nevel really isn't doing much screaming. Is this a case of an inept teacher or some kind of attempt against Harry?

Oh no... quidditch. Oh my god the mouth on that kid. It looks like he's got a mouthful of rocks. Thank you Hagrid and Ron. Thank you for sparing me from quidditch.

Hermione us significantly less bitchy already. She'll definitely be one of my favorites. Most likely my favorite out of the main three.

Wait... why is Harry being punished? I just realized as the scene ended and he started chasing the voice that he was apparently being punished, but I don't know what for exactly.

So far, forty-two minutes into it, almost none of this is familiar after the book signing scene. I would have thought a few days ago that a lot more of this would be familiar. Don't tell me... Harry will be blamed. Yep. I'm having a hard time believing this custodian-ish guy is evil. He looks the part, but I think that's most likely a distraction from the less obvious suspects.

So Dumbledore... is he kind of all seeing and knowing? He seems like it at times. As if he's some kind of Yoda character.

On a side note, I'm honestly surprised they never somehow involved the world's most famous wizard - Merlin - in this in any way. Maybe even as some ancient great wizard. It would have been a cool little addition.

I wonder what happens to people and animals when they're changed into inanimate objects? Are they still conscious? Can they experience any outside stimuli? Or are they put into some kind of suspended coma like state until they're transformed back to a living creature form?

Wait... is this the one that features a young duplicate form of Voldemort before he was deformed? Hmm. Don't answer that Cybrus because by the time you do I will already know the answer. :lol:

Ew. Quidditch. Time for me to do some web-surfing until it sounds like this scene is over. I know it sounds a LOT like the soundtrack is ripped straight from Star Wars Episode II or III, though.

I really don't like this arrogant celebrity guy (don't know his name). Not in a "oh, I hate him. He's such a great villain!" kind of way but more of a "get off my screen already" kind of way. I think I've just seen too many characters like him over the years. They always wind up either being a villain or an inept wannabe hero who ends up looking a fool. :lol: His arm!

It was Dobby at each turn so far. I'm definitely suspicious now. It has to be under the direction of the Malfoys (his assigned family, isn't it?). He seems like an overly pathetic figure. As if it's a way to make you mentally disarm him which just makes him more dangerous as a henchman.

Ooh, more snake talking by Potter. I'm loving Snape's reaction. Hmm. Intriguing angle with the whole Potter possibly being the great-great-great-grandson of the Slytherin house founder.

And now I'm no longer against the idea of that custodian being evil. I thought maybe he wasn't because it was too obvious but I guess maybe I'm wrong about him.

Maybe that's why the sorting hat gave Harry Potter so much attention? Because it found it to be so confusing on where to place him while the others were much more obvious and simple?

I don't get why Harry wouldn't tell Dumbledore what he's experiencing. If there is anybody he could tell, it's obviously Dumbledore.

The magical snowflakes aren't reflecting in the tabletops.

A lot of these characters are really cartoonish, aren't they? The gluttons that have their arms full of food and don't even question the floating cupcakes before shoving them in their mouths is a bit... stereotypical, isn't it?

The other two got sick leaving Harry so they didn't have to transfigure three people in one shot. :lol: "Reading...? I didn't know you could read." :lol: Who did Hermione transfigure to? I don't remember (I do vaguely remember them all transfiguring though and her's going wrong). I was going to say Malfoy but... I don't know.

Voldemort opened it, didn't he? The young Voldemort? He opened the Chamber of Secrets, didn't he?

Oh shit, she's a furry. See now, that is what the typical furry drawing would look like if they were real. How could anybody be into that sexually?

Myrtle kind of reminds me of a girl I used to know, only the girl I knew was much less whiny. But very prone to the exact same instant temper changes. :-/

Yep, Tom Riddle. This has to be the one with the clone of the young Voldemort then. Fifty years. Wow. I thought they kept saying "fifteen years". I did not know Voldemort was that old. And with Dumbledore making an appearance, still aged but with a slightly darker beard, it makes me wonder how old people live to be in this realm.

So Voldemort is the reason for Hagrid being the errand boy and groundskeeper for Hogwarts? Holy conflicted feelings, Batman! :uhoh:

Quidditch is canceled?! I would have kissed that lady (whose name I still don't know) right on the mouth right there on the spot. :grin:

Oh, whoa... so that announcer kid is a boy? I thought it was a girl. :-/

Hagrid is gigantic. Why would he hold the crossbow level with his height? Unless a centaur or troll was knocking on his door, wouldn't the person most likely be lower than that? I saw the green of the cloak, by the way. Unless that was just an effect they did with the grass behind it.

I remember Dumbledore being dismissed. Vaguely. If Dumbledore is Yoda, then Lucius Malfoy is Count Dooku.

Right now, my mom would pretty much die from an instant heart attack. Giant spider. Many giant spiders. Herbie is back.

Super suspicious arrogant guy whose name I don't know how to spell and am far too lazy to look up (Geldaroy?) is back and more suspicious than ever. I have a vague memory of something bad happening to him. Petrification? An erase memory? I don't remember which. I guess I'll find out shortly.

Yeah, Myrtle is like a cartoon version of my old friend Megan. :lol: She even looks somewhat like her.

It's a shame that Hermione becomes so much more likable in this movie and yet she's barely seen at all. Luckily, I know she becomes much more prominent in later installments.

I vaguely remember this, also. In fact... I also vaguely remember a giant snake but I don't know how accurate that memory is. Hmm.

Ha! Maybe five seconds after saying that they encounter the snake skin. :lol:

I guess that's one good reason not to use somebody else's wand. Especially when it's a broken wand. His memory is wiped. It backfired. :lol: I guess that memory was right on. Ooh... right on the button.

I'm having some more vague memories come back involving the phoenix... or some other bird... Tom Riddle and Potter in a big final battle. Potter just opened the door.

So Voldemort is a mudblood? I understand his complex against non-purebloods now, at least a little more. It's very Hitler-ish. A self-hating mudblood.

Now all my memories of this end battle are making sense, and proving to be not as off as I feared. Odd that I don't remember much about the middle of the movie, though. Gotta love that cut to Potter's reaction with the silhouette in the background to avoid showing gore. Very creative.

From here on out, I have no memories of what happens really but I have a feeling it'll start to come back to me.

So if this copy of his 16-year-old self is set to become a fully powered version of Voldemort... what happens to the normal Voldemort that's trouncing around in some form or another out in their world? Or is he somehow caught between realms meaning he would take over if Tom Riddle succeeds? I swear I just saw some wires on top of the snake head when Harry was swiping at him. The head looked very static, too, so it's probably likely. :lol:

One thing I'll give them credit for is that out of all the battle scenes I've seen Potter in, he never seems to come off as some sort of super champion Conan the Barbarian type. He always just barely manages to succeed and probably wouldn't if Voldemort and his henchmen weren't so arrogant.

What made him realize stabbing the book would kill him? :confused:

Ginny is gonna be hot some day, I'm calling it now.

I guess that was all just misleading about him being the Slytherin heir. I wasn't paying full attention so I don't know if he explained how some of Voldemort's powers and abilities were transferred to Harry. Gotta love the whole classic horror eye shading thing for Lucius Malfoy. Great way to imply his corruption. I'm still not sure if Dobby was working with or against the Malfoys. Against I guess. Weird method of releasing somebody from servitude.

Oh my god, I thought he was going to say "you shall not pass". I would have had a nerd boner that would've broken my keyboard if that had happened. :lol:

God the music sounds like it's out of the Star Wars prequels. I can't help but repeat that because unless it's a specific and obvious Harry Potter jingle, it's crazy easy to confuse with a random song from Episode II or III.

Awkward tension building between Hermione and Ron already. I guess it should have been obvious those two would eventually hook up. It must suck to be the other students at Hogwarts. It's like there's no way to escape knowing that you'll always be in Harry, Ron, and Hermione's shadows. They're the ones who always get the attention and praise. I could definitely see that inspiring a kid to follow in Voldemort's footsteps, without the need to ever be one of Malfoy's goons.

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So it's over and it's another happy ending for the Hogwarts crew.

It was much of what I prefer a Harry Potter movie to be like, a light hearted fantasy at times but with a strong undercurrent of darkness running through it all. I enjoy the depth added to most of the characters, especially for Hagrid and Voldemort, so that it didn't feel quite all about Harry like the first one did. However, I found some characters to be very weak. The arrogant author was a vacuum of entertainment for me, which made him being one of the main characters for this film rather annoying. Drake Malfoy seems very one-dimensional so far and this movie did him no favors in that department. Dobby came off like a very pathetic but nicer version of Smiegel - what's left of Gollum's former self in LotR but was ultimately an unnecessary addition. The creatures were kind of boring, too. Especially the big nasty. It felt very half-hearted for some reason.

That said, the tone of the story and what details were revealed really saved it from sinking. It was a nice movie, an enjoyable one, but ultimately really average I have to say.

Ultimately and surprisingly, I have to say that while there was some great points, it actually doesn't quite hold up or compare well to the movie before it.

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Opening up and Harry is back with his xenophobic cartoonishly awful family.

I don't think they are xenophobic. Xenophobia is an irrational fear of foreign. This is not the case at all. The Dursley's have a very real reason for hating magic. Aunt Pertunia's sister (Lilly Potter) was magical and Pertunia has always hated her for it. She thought she was a freak and unnatural. And then when Lily was murdered, Pertunia and Vernon were forced to raise Harry. So, yeah, not really an accurate description, I don't think.

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But anyway, I certainly hope this is the last time they have Harry live with his awful relatives.

Nope. He has to live with them until he turns of age (17). The Dursleys are not in movies 4, 6, or DH2....if that makes you feel any better.

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I always thought the Weasley parents were muggles. Huh.

No, no, no. The Weasley's are very much pureblood. They come from a very long lineage of magical ancestors. The fact that they are so pure of blood yet empathize with muggles is why other purelbood families (like the Malfoy's) dislike the Weasleys.

For that matter, Harry is a pureblood as well since both his parents are magical. But his mom, Lily, was the first of her family to be magical. So I'm not sure if that makes Harry completely pureblood. Maybe he's halfblood? I'm sure I remember them calling him pureblood in the books, though.

Hermione, however, is mudblood. She has 2 muggle parents -- both dentists.

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What did he just say?
Diagonally.

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Definitely a villain. What did Malfoy tear out anyway? Hmm.

We are never told. I think this was just added to the movies to make Draco look like a bad guy. "OMG! He's ripping pages of books in bookstores. He's the bad kid". :shrug:

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I still wonder if others can see them on the platform.

In the movies, they make a big hoopla about going through the pillar. In the books, they are describes as being very coy about it. Like they lean up against the pillar and just kind of sink into it when no one is looking. This is more believable, but still makes you wonder if people do spot them. In later movies, they explain that they put charms on muggles to make them not see certain things in magic. I suppose the same could have been done here, but it just wasn't explained. :shrug:

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But the gateway is sealed? Is that because it has a time limit or did somebody purposely seal it to keep Harry away? It makes me even more suspicious of Dobby now.

I have a feeling you already have your answer, but an literally replying as I read so I'll just wait and see.

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Wait... so the car itself is semi-sentient then? It's it Herbie the Love Bug's distant cousin or something?

I forget if they explained this later in the movie, I think they did. But Ron's dad (Arthor Weasly) has a fascination with muggle objects. He likes to bring them home, take them apart, put them back together, and just tinker with them. He magically altered this car to fly and hold more space than it normally should. This is illegal in the magical world, which is even more so since Arthor works for the Ministry of Magic and specifically works against people putting spells on muggle things.

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Is this a case of an inept teacher or some kind of attempt against Harry?

Oh, I definitely think you'll have discovered just how inept Lockhart is. He just goes around stealing stories from other wizards, erasing their memories, and then writing books about his "adventures". He's never done anything. He's completely worthless. But he gets his in the end. :lol:

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Wait... why is Harry being punished? I just realized as the scene ended and he started chasing the voice that he was apparently being punished, but I don't know what for exactly.

Are you talking about the part where he's in the office with Lockhart serving his detention? Remember when he crashed the car into the Whomping Willow and Snape said if it were up to him he'd expel them both? Dumbledore said it was not up to Snape and that McGonagall would decide the punishment. McGonagall gave them both detention. Ron had to clean all the trophies in the trophy room (hundreds of them) by hand, with no magic. Lockhard pulled some strings and got it set up so that Harry would sign fan mail with him all night as his punishment. Lockhart thought this was a reward for Harry. Harry would rather have had Ron's punishment since he hates Lockhart.

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On a side note, I'm honestly surprised they never somehow involved the world's most famous wizard - Merlin - in this in any way. Maybe even as some ancient great wizard. It would have been a cool little addition.

In the books, no. But I think he may have been shown in the movies. In Dumbledore's office, you'll see pictures of witches and wizards on his walls. These are portraits of past Headmasters of Hogwarts. However, the movie threw in some other famous wizards. I believe Gandalf is in one picture and maybe Merlin as well. I'd have to look up the trivia to be certain, though.

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I wonder what happens to people and animals when they're changed into inanimate objects? Are they still conscious? Can they experience any outside stimuli? Or are they put into some kind of suspended coma like state until they're transformed back to a living creature form?

Wait until movie 4 (Goblet of Fire) and watch Draco Malfoy. Gage his reaction.

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It was Dobby at each turn so far. I'm definitely suspicious now. It has to be under the direction of the Malfoys (his assigned family, isn't it?). He seems like an overly pathetic figure. As if it's a way to make you mentally disarm him which just makes him more dangerous as a henchman.

Yeah, it was Dobby that sealed the gate at the beginning. I'm sure you're already figured out Dobby's true motives, so we'll keep going...

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And now I'm no longer against the idea of that custodian being evil. I thought maybe he wasn't because it was too obvious but I guess maybe I'm wrong about him.

I'll take this time to discuss Finch, since I don't know if you'll bring him back up. Ok, Hermione is an example of someone that comes from 2 muggles and is somehow magical. The reverse is also true. 2 magical people can have a non-magical kid. This kid is known as a squib and is looked down upon by most of the wizarding community. Finch is a squib. He cannot do any magic at all. This is why he hates kids at Hogwarts so much. Because they all can do magic and he cannot. He's not evil. He's just an asshole.

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Oh shit, she's a furry. See now, that is what the typical furry drawing would look like if they were real. How could anybody be into that sexually?

I worked with a guy that was a furry. I didn't even know about it until after he quit. Then another guy that was better friends with him than I ever was talked about his weird furry sex fetish. :lol:

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And with Dumbledore making an appearance, still aged but with a slightly darker beard, it makes me wonder how old people live to be in this realm.

The book author has stated that magical people have a longer life expectancy than muggles. Dumbledore was well over 100 years old, maybe 120 or 150. I don't think an exact age was given. I forget if it was.

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So Voldemort is a mudblood? I understand his complex against non-purebloods now, at least a little more. It's very Hitler-ish. A self-hating mudblood.

No, not a mudblood. A mudblood is someone that came from no magical parents. Voldemort is halfblood. Voldemort is the decendent of Salazar Slytherin (one of the founders of Hogwarts). It's not explained in the movies, but in the books. His mom was a witch and she put a love spell on a very handsome muggle. They get married and run away together. She is also very ugly due to her entire family doing years of inbreeding trying to keep their family pureblood. She fools herself into thinking that the guy really loves her. She takes the love spell off him. He sees her and runs away. She has the baby at the orphanage and wants to name him after his father (Tom Riddle) and then dies. Tom eventually grows up and learns about this and goes and kills his dad.

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So if this copy of his 16-year-old self is set to become a fully powered version of Voldemort... what happens to the normal Voldemort that's trouncing around in some form or another out in their world? Or is he somehow caught between realms meaning he would take over if Tom Riddle succeeds?

This is not explained until the seventh book and the seventh/eight movie. The diary is actually a Horcrux. Basically, Voldemort put a piece of his soul in the diary so that if anything happened to him he'd be immortal. He could come back using that piece of his fragmented soul. If that piece of the soul have regenerated, then when the whips of Voldemort floating around were near it, he'd just reunite with it. Merge back together. Become one with it again. However you want to explain it. There wouldn't be 2 Voldemorts running around.

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What made him realize stabbing the book would kill him? :confused:

I think it was just out of desperation. He knew Riddle was a memory from the diary, so he just stabbed the diary as a last ditch effort.

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Ginny is gonna be hot some day, I'm calling it now.

I don't think she's hot. I don't think she's ugly. I think she's plain and average looking. Which is good, because it makes the series more believable. You can easily google her and find current pictures of her if you don't want to wait to see the movie version of her growing up.

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I wasn't paying full attention so I don't know if he explained how some of Voldemort's powers and abilities were transferred to Harry.

Later. In another movie.

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I'm still not sure if Dobby was working with or against the Malfoys. Against I guess.

Yes, against. Dobby knew of the plan all along and was trying to protect Harry. Furthermore, the fact that Dobby was defying his owners meant Dobby had to punish himself. This is why Dobby was constantly hitting his head or ironing his ears or whatever they showed in the movies. Dobby has always been pure and only tryng to look out for Harry...even if his ways of looking out for Harry actually put Harry in harm's way. When you skipped the Quidditch part (I don't blame you. I hate it too), you may have missed the part about the bludger hitting Harry in the arm and breaking his arm. Dobby was the one that sent that bludger after Harry.

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Dobby came off like a very pathetic ... but was ultimately an unnecessary addition.

I will fucking kill you! Dobby is so awesome. He is a character that has been treated horribly for his entire existence. He's been threatened death on a daily/hourly basis. He's been beaten and abused. And despite all this, he is as nice as you could ever imagine. And once he is freed, he looks after Harry like he owes a life debt to Harry. We actually see Dobby loads of times in the books, but this is the only time you'll see Dobby until DH1. So if you didn't care for Dobby, then you don't have to worry about him as a character anymore. And you're dead inside.

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it actually doesn't quite hold up or compare well to the movie before it.

If it makes you feel better, I believe this is the overall feeling of Chamber of Secrets. It's good, but it just doesn't add up to what the first one is. This is true both as a movie and a book. The good thing is that the series really takes a big turn starting with the third movie and continue through the rest of the series. Each of the first 2 movies are really stand alone movies. They both have a plot that is resolved by the end of the movie. Starting with the third movie (Prisoner of Azkaban), the storylines continue and grow on each other. It gets much better and much more adult in storyline (not sex wise, just more...um, I'm not sure how to describe it. Just not as "feel good kiddie" as the first 2 are).

Now, my 2 questions I was wanting to ask yesterday:

1) Did you notice that Hagrid went to prison? When Ron and Harry were under the invisibiilty cloak and Dumbledore/Fudge came to Hagrid, Fudge (Minster of Magic) came to get Hagrid and put him in prison. As you saw, most assumed Hagrid opened the Chamber the first time. Everyone assumed he was doing it again and they put him in prison to make it seem like he (Fudge) was doing something. They didn't call it prison, though. They call it Azkaban...which is a terrible place to be. But you'll find out a little more about that in the next movie.

2) Did you feel that the second movie had the same basic plot as the first movie? Harry is with his terrible family. Harry gets rescued from his family. Goes to Hogwarts. Finds something terrible happening. Decides to take on the bad stuff himself without going to teachers. Ultimately confesses everything to Dumbledore at the end.

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I don't think they are xenophobic. Xenophobia is an irrational fear of foreign. This is not the case at all. The Dursley's have a very real reason for hating magic. Aunt Pertunia's sister (Lilly Potter) was magical and Pertunia has always hated her for it. She thought she was a freak and unnatural. And then when Lily was murdered, Pertunia and Vernon were forced to raise Harry. So, yeah, not really an accurate description, I don't think.


Hating your sister just because she's magical is pretty xenophobic. :lol: Especially since "magic" is pretty foreign to muggle.

If anything, I think you just added weight to my description. :lol:

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Nope. He has to live with them until he turns of age (17). The Dursleys are not in movies 4, 6, or DH2....if that makes you feel any better.


What the fuck? That's awful for Harry. If the only way he's safe in the muggle world is with blood family, why not just let him stay in the wizard world and have the teachers watch over him? I would think that'd be a smarter move, especially since a powerful wizard like Dumbledore could keep his eye on Harry.

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No, no, no. The Weasley's are very much pureblood. They come from a very long lineage of magical ancestors. The fact that they are so pure of blood yet empathize with muggles is why other purelbood families (like the Malfoy's) dislike the Weasleys.

For that matter, Harry is a pureblood as well since both his parents are magical. But his mom, Lily, was the first of her family to be magical. So I'm not sure if that makes Harry completely pureblood. Maybe he's halfblood? I'm sure I remember them calling him pureblood in the books, though.

Hermione, however, is mudblood. She has 2 muggle parents -- both dentists.


Well, yeah, I quickly learned they were pureblood, not to mention that there are a lot more of them than I thought.

As for Harry's genealogy, Hagrid brings up a point when Hermione is put down for be a mudblood that almost nobody is a true pureblood anyway.

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We are never told. I think this was just added to the movies to make Draco look like a bad guy. "OMG! He's ripping pages of books in bookstores. He's the bad kid".


Draco! That's it. I couldn't hear his name very well and they said it so few times, I thought they were saying "Drake". :-/ I just call him Malfoy like the other students. :lol:

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In the movies, they make a big hoopla about going through the pillar. In the books, they are describes as being very coy about it. Like they lean up against the pillar and just kind of sink into it when no one is looking. This is more believable, but still makes you wonder if people do spot them. In later movies, they explain that they put charms on muggles to make them not see certain things in magic. I suppose the same could have been done here, but it just wasn't explained.


I'm an over-thinker with things so I'm still left to wonder exactly when the charms are started then and what kind they are. Do they not see the wizards and instantly forget they ever saw them? That's the only thing I could think of that would make sense. :shrug:

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In the books, no. But I think he may have been shown in the movies. In Dumbledore's office, you'll see pictures of witches and wizards on his walls. These are portraits of past Headmasters of Hogwarts. However, the movie threw in some other famous wizards. I believe Gandalf is in one picture and maybe Merlin as well. I'd have to look up the trivia to be certain, though.


Gandalf, too? :grin:

I'm sure they could find a way to link the Harry Potter universe to both the King Arthur tales and LotR tales without too much of a stretch if they wanted to. Just weave some tales about times from long ago or alternate realms.

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I'll take this time to discuss Finch, since I don't know if you'll bring him back up. Ok, Hermione is an example of someone that comes from 2 muggles and is somehow magical. The reverse is also true. 2 magical people can have a non-magical kid. This kid is known as a squib and is looked down upon by most of the wizarding community. Finch is a squib. He cannot do any magic at all. This is why he hates kids at Hogwarts so much. Because they all can do magic and he cannot. He's not evil. He's just an asshole.


He's basically the bad guy version of the bus driver from the movie Sky High.

In that movie, instead of a school of wizards it's a hidden school for superheroes - most of which are usually born from parents who were heroes themselves. The bus driver in the movie, however, was born from parents who were superheroes but he didn't inherit any kind of powers of his own - being just a normal guy (if I remember correctly).

Only he loves the kids and they love him. The school employs him too, obviously.

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The book author has stated that magical people have a longer life expectancy than muggles. Dumbledore was well over 100 years old, maybe 120 or 150. I don't think an exact age was given. I forget if it was.


I figured that was probably the case since I would assume having the ability to control magic would come with that kind of side benefit. It's usually the case in that kind of stuff.

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No, not a mudblood. A mudblood is someone that came from no magical parents. Voldemort is halfblood. Voldemort is the decendent of Salazar Slytherin (one of the founders of Hogwarts). It's not explained in the movies, but in the books. His mom was a witch and she put a love spell on a very handsome muggle. They get married and run away together. She is also very ugly due to her entire family doing years of inbreeding trying to keep their family pureblood. She fools herself into thinking that the guy really loves her. She takes the love spell off him. He sees her and runs away. She has the baby at the orphanage and wants to name him after his father (Tom Riddle) and then dies. Tom eventually grows up and learns about this and goes and kills his dad.


Wow. That's much more complicated than I imagined it would be. :lol:

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I don't think she's hot. I don't think she's ugly. I think she's plain and average looking. Which is good, because it makes the series more believable. You can easily google her and find current pictures of her if you don't want to wait to see the movie version of her growing up.


I'll wait and watch. Then I can feel like a creepy Uncle. :)

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When you skipped the Quidditch part (I don't blame you. I hate it too), you may have missed the part about the bludger hitting Harry in the arm and breaking his arm. Dobby was the one that sent that bludger after Harry.


I didn't so much skip it but rather let it play in the background while I messed around online (mainly here). I went back to it right about the time Hermione ran up to him and he was holding his arm, so yeah, I missed exactly what happened or why.

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I knew you were gonna do that after you reminded me of what his name was earlier on in these quotes. :lol: I was just waiting for it and hoping you'd skip it. :lol:

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I will fucking kill you! Dobby is so awesome. He is a character that has been treated horribly for his entire existence. He's been threatened death on a daily/hourly basis. He's been beaten and abused. And despite all this, he is as nice as you could ever imagine. And once he is freed, he looks after Harry like he owes a life debt to Harry. We actually see Dobby loads of times in the books, but this is the only time you'll see Dobby until DH1. So if you didn't care for Dobby, then you don't have to worry about him as a character anymore. And you're dead inside.


:lol: It sounds like a certain person is desperately wanting a Dobby type in their own life, or maybe partially identifies with him, hmm? :lol:

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1) Did you notice that Hagrid went to prison? When Ron and Harry were under the invisibiilty cloak and Dumbledore/Fudge came to Hagrid, Fudge (Minster of Magic) came to get Hagrid and put him in prison. As you saw, most assumed Hagrid opened the Chamber the first time. Everyone assumed he was doing it again and they put him in prison to make it seem like he (Fudge) was doing something. They didn't call it prison, though. They call it Azkaban...which is a terrible place to be. But you'll find out a little more about that in the next movie.


I know about Azkaban somewhat (I've seen the next movie, I just don't remember much about it other than the wolf guy) and I definitely caught the mention of it. I didn't know he went there for the rest of the movie, though. I assumed he was being held somewhere else until they wholly decided it was him. Kind of like holding him for processing or something.

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2) Did you feel that the second movie had the same basic plot as the first movie? Harry is with his terrible family. Harry gets rescued from his family. Goes to Hogwarts. Finds something terrible happening. Decides to take on the bad stuff himself without going to teachers. Ultimately confesses everything to Dumbledore at the end.


I didn't know, but I see the similarities now that you point them out.

Was it the same way in the books? If so, maybe it's just because J.K. Rowling hadn't fully grown as an author yet so she wasn't quite at the level for something much different at that time instead relying on the formula she already knew how to write?
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Hating your sister just because she's magical is pretty xenophobic. :lol: Especially since "magic" is pretty foreign to muggle.

No. She hated her sister because Lily got all the attention. Her parents showered Lily with love and praise for being different. Pertunia felt a little neglected. Thus, she did what any sibling would do and blamed it on the special talent. It'd be no different than if someone was the brother of a great painter and ended up hating painting because of it.

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What the fuck? That's awful for Harry. If the only way he's safe in the muggle world is with blood family, why not just let him stay in the wizard world and have the teachers watch over him? I would think that'd be a smarter move, especially since a powerful wizard like Dumbledore could keep his eye on Harry.

Dumbledore put a spell on Harry that protected Harry. This spell will only work for as long as Harry can call a relative home. By the spell, Harry must return to the place he calls home at least once a year. All he has to do is go back there and call it home, with the understanding from his family that he can come back whenever he wants. So Harry can actually leave the Dursley's and stay with friends. He just hasn't yet. Something in the next movie too, but I will not discuss that yet.

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I'm an over-thinker with things so I'm still left to wonder exactly when the charms are started then and what kind they are. Do they not see the wizards and instantly forget they ever saw them? That's the only thing I could think of that would make sense. :shrug:

It depends on the charms. Since you hate Quidditch, i'll tell you about a charm for the fourth movie. When they go to the World Cup (watch that, there is no Quidditch) they explain (in the book) that they have a charm around the field that if a muggle gets too close to the field that the muggle will suddenly remember something else of importance that they have to do and immediately turn around. And then something in the 5th movie that I'm not going to discuss just yet.

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Gandalf, too? :grin:

I remember this after I made my previous post, but they do mention Merlin in Harry Potter. Merlin himself isn't in the story at all, but they use him as an award. The highest class of award a wizard can be given is "Order of Merlin". He may even have attended Hogwarts, but I forget that detail.

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Wow. That's much more complicated than I imagined it would be. :lol:

And that's why you should read the books, fella! :tu:

Or, at the very least, be friends with someone that has read the books and can fill you in on such important information that they leave out of the movies. That's me. :hug2:

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I didn't know he went there for the rest of the movie, though. I assumed he was being held somewhere else until they wholly decided it was him. Kind of like holding him for processing or something.

This is why Hagrid had the crossbow when he opened the door on Harry and why he jumped when there was another knock and why he was so nervous. Because he knew he was going back to prison. I think they hurt themselves by having Hagrid return at the very end for the "feel good moment" to close the movie. That's not how it ends in the book. By having Hagrid come back so happily and just blaming Ron's bird for his return delay, then it kind of makes it seem like it was no big deal for Hagrid, but that's not true.

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I didn't know, but I see the similarities now that you point them out.

Was it the same way in the books?

The first two movies follow the books very well. They take very little creative licenses with the movies. There are a few changes, but basically what you saw is what you'd read.
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