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| Kraul | Feb 21 2012, 07:52 AM Post #61 |
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Hmm. I wonder if that means all of the world's leaders know, at least the responsible leaders?
I figured that would probably be the case. As somebody who has only seen the movies and probably will only ever see the movies, Sirius Black is not very well handled in this medium. I don't know if it's the lack of time available or what exactly, but I'm just never really given much reason to care about him other than them really trying to push the whole "Harry's godfather" aspect of it. He could be Harry's brother and I wouldn't care any more than I do based on what I've seen. ![]()
My review will probably be painful for you to read, then. ![]() As for your question: I didn't realize he was possessing him to try and get Dumbledore to attack Harry. I just thought it was a method of psychological warfare and a way to show how powerful Voldemort really is. Edited by Kraul, Feb 21 2012, 07:53 AM.
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| Cybrus | Feb 21 2012, 08:14 AM Post #62 |
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I'm getting burned out on these Harry Potter movies, and I'm not even watching them! Kinda glad you'll be taking a few days break after this. ![]()
Nymphadora Tonks is a member of the Order of the Phoenix. You'll be introduced to several new characters as you are introduced to the Order.
Because the movies fast skip scenes to get to that point. First movie, he meets them and becomes friends. Second movie, Ron, Fred, and George rescue him from the Dursleys. Third movie, he is actually at the hotel for several weeks by himself before Ron and Hermione agree to meet up with him at Diagon Alley. Fourth movie, Author Wesley (along with Fred, George, and Ron) go to the Dursley's house to get Harry and take him back to Ron's house to go to the Quidditch World Cup -- Hermione had already gotten there since they all planned to go together. And for Order of the Phoenix, Ron's entire family has been staying with Sirius Black because the Order of the Phoenix has reformed (due to Voldemort returning) and are using Sirius's house as headquarters. Hermione and Ron have been there for a few weeks.
Silly movie interpretation of him. Author Weasley works in the Muggle office of the Ministry of Magic. He interacts with Muggles daily. He has a huge fascination for Muggle inventions (like the car from COS that he made fly). The only thing Author Weasley really has a problem with, Muggle wise, is money. He gets confused with Muggle money and asks Harry for help.
Umbridge
She ends up with a character in this series, a character you've already seen. Can you guess who she ends up with?
So I take it you are taking back your "tired of the new teacher being the central bad guy" comment from earlier?
As I am sure you have already seen from the movie itself, Umbridge is not associated with Voldemort at all. She's just a power hungry little woman that gets off on being mean to anyone that doesn't think like she thinks.
There are A LOT of Weasleys. The multiply like Rabbits. Poor Hermione, her cooch is going to be tore up one day. ![]()
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
The Muggle Prime Minister (and all world leaders, I'd assume) are the only ones with open knowledge of the Wizarding World. Whenever a new Prime Minister is sworn in, he'll get a visit from the Minster of Magic to basically get caught up on the Wizarding World. The Wizarding World only interacts with the Muggle Prime Minister when something happens that would directly affect Muggles.
Gotta love it when movies leave out important stuff, huh? Harry has always been very skilled at defending himself. He fought the Basilik. He fought dementors. He did all the tasks in the Twizard Tournament. He fought Voldemort and Death Eaters. This is why others see him as a leader. And he did learn other spells while preparing for the Triwizard Tournament. But the thing they left out is that the Room of Requirement (which Dobby tells Harry about, but Neville finds in the movie) is equipped with whatever is needed. Harry needs information on defense spells, so the room equips itself with thousands of books full of spells and practice materials. Harry (with Hermione and Ron) reads up, practices, and then teaches the DA.
You either don't pay attention or you have no heart. You saw for 3 movies how poorly the Dursleys treated Harry. How Harry has never had any kind of true parent figure or a true friend before Hogwarts. And here come Sirius Black who is absolutely everything the Dursleys are not. He genuinely cares for Harry. He gives Harry advice. He looks out for Harry. He protects Harry. he offers Harry a place to live. He will do anything he can for Harry for no other reason that he loves Harry. The only other person that has ever cared as much for Harry has been Dumbledore. The fact that you can learn all this about Sirius over 3 movies and then say you're bored by anything to do with him makes me question things about you, man. ![]()
It was written on a plaque below the Prophecy sphere. Here is some optional information about the prophecy: It was made by the Divisions teacher at Hogwarts (lady with big ass glasses that Hermione hated). This was, at that time, the first true prophecy she had ever given -- and she gave it to Dumbledore, nonetheless, when Dumbledore was interviewing her about a position at Hogwarts. Dubledore was ready to send her packing until she made that prophecy. When she made the prophecy (and when he found out it was overheard by Snape) he immediately knew the danger she would be in, so he offered her a position at Hogwart. Also, in the book, Harry doesn't hear the Prophecy when he picks it up. It breaks when he is fighting with the Death Eaters and he thinks he's lost it forever. Later, during his conversation with Dumbledore at the end, Dumbledore reveals that the prophecy Harry had was just a copy and that he still had a copy of the prophecy as well (since it was made to him). He shows Harry a memory of Tralawnee giving the prophecy and basically says everything I said in the previous paragraph.
Yes. And has known since before you knew.
He is very memorable, even though his role isn't that big over all. I think it's the way he acts his part, so dramatic and evil. It sticks with you.
Fuck you, you heartless bastard, I say. There are quite a few notable deaths in this series. Sirius's death really bothered me when I read the books. Sirius's death bothered me more than the character that died in the next movie. It still saddens me that you do not see the importance of his character or how much impact he had on Harry in the short time Harry knew him. You have no heart. None! ![]()
She not dead. You will see her again. ![]() In the book, they say that Dumbledore went into the forest and rescued Umbridge from the Centaurs (who apparently only fear Dumbledore). She tries to leave unnoticed, but Peeves (a poltergeist who causes havoc in Hogwarts but was left out of the movies) drew a lot of attention to her and the whole school basically laughed at her while she left. You omitted discussing the big epic showdown between Dumbledore and Voldemort. After all this time, good finally versed evil and you didn't even comment on it! You also didn't comment on Voldemort possessing Harry and trying to get Dumbledore to attack Harry just to get to Dumbledore. Did you not understand that's what was happening or did you just not careTo say I'm surprised that you gave this move a low score would be an understatement. From what I can tell, it is one of the more loved movies in the series. But then I read your recap about how you were confused by a lot of what was going on and it became a little clearer. The movies leave out a lot of information and it ends up hurting the over all story. A lot of it is subtle things that build over time (like the importants of Sirius, which you completely did not get). So, yeah, outside of reading the books, I'm not sure what else you could do to really see all this before hand. Somehow, I don't think me telling you all the information you didn't know after you watched the movies will make you change your opinion. Although, i'm sure if you watched the series again at a later point and then read this thread again that you'd see your opinions have changed with time and viewing. I know mine did. Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Kraul | Feb 21 2012, 08:53 AM Post #63 |
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That's also part of why I'm taking a few days break. It was originally because I am returning to work after a few days off so I didn't want to try and shoehorn it in on top of it, but the break will also be a nice way to take a quick breather. ![]()
I hope I see more of her. I likey.
That's a relief. I thought maybe it was just lazy writing or something. "Harry arrives on the scene and oh, what luck, his friends are all here! On with the show!"
That was demonstrated when he tried to access the subway but couldn't figure out how to work the gate. Although I didn't realize it was because he didn't understand our system of paying.
As in at the very end of series, like Harry & Ginny? Or during the next few films? I'm tempted to say Neville... but he and Luna had a moment. I hope it's not Draco.
Oh no. Far from it, as you might have learned by now. I was still very much tired of that repeating concept, I just had to remark about how easy to hate Umbridge is.
I never realized that. Even as her time came and went I figured she was an underling for Voldemort, just not one that was advertised. A kind of covert agent.
In the scene where Sirius is showing Potter his family tree that is painted on the walls? All of the faces look like they're in the same style. Not similar faces but painted by the same hand. Then they cut to a shot of his evil cousin's face on the wall and it basically looks like a mediocre Photoshop job. It's hilarious.
Yeah, see, the vibe from the movie that I got was that the kids decided to train in secret, they decided "yay for Harry" and he was pushed into leadership and suddenly was awesome at magic rather than just lucky most of the time.
Sirius Black is a character that shows up in a handful of scenes, maybe half of which are him being shady before it's revealed he's good, he smiles a few times and I'm supposed to care about him? In the books maybe his case is presented very well but in the movies he's just a dude who shows up looking evil for a long time, occasionally shows up to smile a little bit and maybe give a hug, and then he dies. That's not exactly a lot of reason to get attached to him. It doesn't matter if they keep wanting to say he's his godfather or not. Dumbledore, Ron, Hermione, Hagrid even Neville all come off more like family in these movies than Sirius ever has so far. He's just a dude and he dies.
That'll be nice to know going forward, I think. I always just thought he was in the dark for all that stuff.
He's one what General Tarkin was in the first Star Wars movie (Episode IV). Tarkin was a villain in one movie and only appeared once in any other movies and just as a silent cameo for a few seconds, yet he's easily one of the most memorable villains in the entire universe of Star Wars. That's a character done right.
When more time is given to show Harry's relationship and bond with the guy who tends to the animals than his godfather, it's easy to not see any reason to get attached. The whole instant and deep attachment to Sirius comes off as ridiculous to me in the movie. Sirius knew Potter's parents, sure, but so did most of the adults at Hogwarts it seems. Sirius cares about Potter, okay, but Dumbledore, Hagrid, the Madame (whose name I always forget), Hermione, the Weasley's, etc all have shown just as much if not more caring and love for Potter than Sirius ever has. It doesn't matter to me if Harry cries for his death after knowing the guy for five minutes. I've been given no reason to value his love for Potter over anybody else.
I know. Well, at least know she's not dead. It's a disappointment. ![]()
Honestly, by that point I had already lost most of my interest in the movie. I was just waiting for it to end. ![]() I knew going into it that nothing significant would happen really. One down side of knowing what little I know about what is to come. I knew Dumbledore was safe. I knew Harry was safe. I knew the real battle was yet to come. I knew the movie would end with rainbows and the power of friendship or whatever, so I had no reason to be concerned. It was a kind of cool display of power, but not much else really. As for the possession, I already commented on that. I thought it was just psychological warfare. My interest was waning and attention was wandering so if there was anything else to it, I missed it.
It's a repeat of what happened with Prisoner of Azkaban from what I can gather from this thread and from brief searches elsewhere. If you are a fan of the books, you probably loved it because you go into it being entitled to all sorts of information they never reveal not to mention certain relationships are made out to be much more important than they are in the films (Sirius). It's one of those movies where they seemed to assume that people would know what's going on without being shown or told and appreciate things that are never spoken about due to the books, but forget that not everybody who is going to watch it is familiar with the books. And it suffers for it greatly. I don't know if my opinion will change, though, because at this rate I don't know if I'll ever want to watch the entire series again. Maybe a few of the movies I liked, but the ones I haven't liked (this one and Azkaban so far) are definitely movies I've no interest in sitting through again. I especially don't want to see this again. Umbridge makes me see red, everything with Sirius falls flat, and there really just isn't much else to this movie except for the light show at the end. After the last movie, my hopes for what was to come were restored but now? I'm a bit worried, I have to admit. I went from dying to see what happens next to dreading a repeat of what I just went through.
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| Cybrus | Feb 21 2012, 09:27 AM Post #64 |
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STAY HYPED!!!
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In Goblet of Fire, there is a scene in the book where Author, Fred, George, and Ron go to get Harry. Harry tells the Dursleys bye and the Dursleys react like they normally react. This upsets Author Weasley greatly and he lets the Dursleys know about it. During this time, Dudley comes dragging his tongue, which had grew to a huge size. Fred and George and dropped one of the joke-candies they were working on called a ton-tongue. It was a funny scene that really made you feel like Harry finally has someone to help him stand up to the Dursleys. Similar thing at the end of Order of the Phoenix. The Dursleys come to pick Harry up at the platform and there is Moody, Shackelbottom, Tonks, and other Order members basically telling the Durlseys that if they hear about them mistreating Harry again, then the Dursleys will be hearing from them. And the best is in Book 6 when Dumbledore actually goes to pick Harry up at the beginning. The Durselys were cut from movie 6 complete, but they reacted with complete fear when meeting Dumbledore. Dumbledore lets himself into their house and waits in the living room while Harry packs. Dumbledore offers the Dursleys a drink and conjures it out of thin air. The Dursleys do not accept these drinks so the glasses just keep hitting the Dursleys on the side of the head. Finally, Dursley asks if Dumbledore would please get those glasses and Dumbledore is all kind and says of course and makes them disappear. Then he said the polite thing would have been to accept the drinks. Then he scolds all three for the way they've treated Harry this entire time. And the Dursleys are absolutely terrified. Great scene, actually.
Next few films. She is a fully grown adult and does not marry any of the kids in the series. She marries an adult you already know. And there is a scene in the last movie with her and her husband that I think you'll react to.
Draco actually marries someone from Slytherin house, although I don't think she is ever named. She is a character we don't know.
It is settled then, you absolutely must read the books!!!! NOWWW!! I see your point, though. If you only go by what the movies give you, then Sirius comes across as a very minor character that gets an unexpected huge reaction from Harry. But he is presented in the books as everything the Dursleys are not. You know how you hate the Dursleys? Imagine if as many reasons were given for liking Sirius, and they were in the books. That's why he's a loved character. I can totally see your opinion. I'm just saying there is more to his character.
This is one of those subtle things you catch on to. See, when Voldemort disappeared his supporters were all targeted. They either went to Azkaban or they spoke against Voldemort and said they were under his spell (see the above spells we talked about) and basically renounced their ways. Lucious claims he never renounced his ways, so he was never really a target. He was searched a few times, but they never found anything on him that they could use against him. This is what he was telling Voldemort in GOF when he said he never renounced his ways. When Voldemort did return, it was easier for his supports to be open about supporting him. With Fudge claiming that Voldemort wasnt' back, then Voldemort kept secret while building an army. It made it easier for him to build an army if he didn't have anyone fighting against him. But when Voldemort is out in the clear (end of this movie), then his supporters pretty much are out in the open. The thing to remember (and I don't know if this was clear in the movies) is that Lucious and all the other Death Eaters (except Bellatrix, who escaped with Voldemort) were all captured inside the Ministry of Magic and were sent to Azkaban. So Lucious is in Azkaban right now. Something happens with Draco in book/movie 6 that kind of has a lot of fans changing their opinions on him. I'll be interested in seeing your reaction.
His character is memorable in the books as well, but I think it's the actor that made it so memorable in the movies. Jason Isaacs was also good in his role in The Patriot. Hey, um, whey did you post everything twice? After the above quote, it seemed like I started reading your entire post again. Werid. |
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| Kraul | Feb 21 2012, 09:36 AM Post #65 |
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In other words, a bunch of great scenes that could have made for very entertaining scenes in the movies but never made it in favor of Harry usually just showing up wherever he's needed next for the story to continue? ![]()
Snape?
I definitely missed that piece of information, unless it was one of the newspaper headlines I was trying to make out (how I found out about Umbridge still being okay).
It has me interested now, too.
Did I? It was probably an error when I pasted it. My internet went out for a little bit while I already had the pages up and was replying, so I moved my reply over to an OpenOffice document (program like Microsoft Word) just in case something happened. When I copied it over, it must not have erased what was already they - even though I did Ctrl+A for all and then pasted. Oy. I'll fix it now. Edit: Fixed. Glitch ass scroller on my mouse made it a bit of a pain my ass, though. Imagine try to scroll down and it somehow just keeps flickering back and forth before ultimately leaving you right where you start. Edited by Kraul, Feb 21 2012, 09:39 AM.
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| Kraul | Feb 21 2012, 09:46 AM Post #66 |
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With my regular references to Star Wars in this thread, I figure leaving this here would be appropriate: Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Purple Marauder | Feb 24 2012, 03:31 AM Post #67 |
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Your Reward For Finally Watching The Movies
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| Kraul | Feb 24 2012, 03:51 AM Post #68 |
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Ron is going to be upset. ![]() I still have the last three to watch. I was going to watch one tonight, but that has to get postponed at least another day since I've gotta go to bed soon. I have an early and busy morning tomorrow. I honestly had forgotten all about this marathon the last two days. |
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| Cybrus | Feb 24 2012, 10:45 AM Post #69 |
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Damn it! I have that same gif saved on my computer and have been waiting for the right time to use it. Opportunity missed.
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| MY85 | Feb 25 2012, 01:14 AM Post #70 |
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It's a fabulous new day, yes it is!
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Given how he rated Azkaban, he doesn't deserve it. |
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| Kraul | Feb 25 2012, 01:19 AM Post #71 |
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Azkaban was such a boring movie. It somehow managed to dedicate itself almost entirely to Sirius Black and yet still manage to poorly develop the character or give us any solid reason to be attached to him. Remus came off more like family for Harry than Sirius did. Not to mention Remus was so much more likeable. Sirius was just a guy who is talked about as being dangerous, finally appears at the end and acts crazy, then suddenly reveals "just kidding, I'm not crazy. I love you Harry. *Hallmark moment*" It's like somebody made a movie out of somebody's Harry Potter fan fiction.
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 10:50 AM Post #72 |
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Told you. Heartless bastard!
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| Kraul | Feb 25 2012, 11:25 AM Post #73 |
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I keep feeling like I should be putting a "To Be Continued" in the sub-title. ![]() I honestly don't know when I'll get around to the last three now. Not only do I keep forgetting about them but I don't even know if I can get motivated to do it for the time being. |
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 11:33 AM Post #74 |
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| Kraul | Feb 25 2012, 11:42 AM Post #75 |
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I had to look up what I listed as my top five favorite characters while I was watching The Prisoner of Azkaban to see where my favorites then compared to now (two movies later). Then: 1. Severus Snape 2. Voldemort 3. Hagrid 4. Hermione 5. Neville? Now: 1. Hagrid 2. Severus Snape 3. Voldemort 4. Hermione 5. A Dumbledore/Neville tie maybe? Edit: I was reminded on my walk home earlier today about something I wanted to share in this thread. I walk past a cemetery every day that I walk to work or to the store, and have literally been walking past the cemetery for years (even before and while having a car; the cemetery is hard to miss). However, it was only about a week ago after starting this supposed "marathon" that I noticed something that had never clicked before. The most prominent headstone in the entire cemetery is has "RIDDLE" on it in big 8 inch-ish sized letters. The details about who is underneath it are on the other side, I'm assuming, but the side facing the road with "RIDDLE" on it only had "RIDDLE" and nothing else.I didn't share it at first because I have no way to take a picture, but yesterday I ended up borrowing my brother's camera temporarily and still have it... so... if I can remember, I'll probably try to get a picture of it.
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 08:39 PM Post #76 |
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If the main reason for disliking POA and OotP was Sirius Black, then it should go without saying that you don't have much to worry about anymore. Sirius Black died. The worst you have to worry about is them talking about Sirius, which would be in passing anyway. I said this before and go the opposite reaction, but I think you'll like the last 3 movies quite well. |
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| Kraul | Feb 25 2012, 08:53 PM Post #77 |
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It wasn't purely because of Sirius that I dislike both of those movies. In Azkaban's case, it was the focus on and poor development of his character with a real lack of feeling like anything else had happened during the movie that led to me giving it a thumbs down. As for Phoenix... honestly, I just found most of it to be rather dull. There really didn't seem to be a lot of Sirius in it compared to Azkaban, but the whole attempt to make his death meaningful and sad was jarring since, as I've said, there really isn't a whole lot of reason given in the movies to even begin to genuinely care about him. He's barely around compared to most characters and it ends up feeling like them saying "oh, he's Harry's godfather" is supposed to be enough reason. This has given me a new perspective on people who hate the Star Wars prequels, though, or at the very least walked away very dissatisfied with Anakin Skywalker's "fall" to the dark side. It's very much like this Sirius Black issue. If you indulged in enough of the non-movie material, you get to learn and appreciate the character more and understand a lot more what is going on in the movies and the significance of it all. But if you just see the movies? It all seems rather flat and rushed. How people reacted to seeing Anakin fall (how it seems to them he just up and decides to be 'evil' one day after some nudging, more or less) while I can see that his fall was actually a long process and a series of events that culminated in what happened in Episode III? This is the same thing only with the sides reversed. I see everything with Sirius to be rushed, flat, and just uninspired, while you (or others familiar with the books - material that reveals a lot more of what's going on) see an emotional rise and fall of a beloved family member. |
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| Purple Marauder | Feb 25 2012, 10:01 PM Post #78 |
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Whore, what is the last movie you have watched? |
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| Kraul | Feb 25 2012, 10:16 PM Post #79 |
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For Harry Potter? The Order of the Phoenix. In general? Faster. The whole "marathon" concept was pretty much done in immediately after starting. Even the concept of watching at least one every day/night is done for.
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| Purple Marauder | Feb 25 2012, 10:26 PM Post #80 |
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Why would I ask about the last movie you watched in general in a Harry Potter movie marathon thread?
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 10:28 PM Post #81 |
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Why would you ask about the last Harry Potter movie he's watched when he's discussing them as he's watching them. ![]() Purps, did you ever see the last 2 movies? I know you said that Half-Blood Prince was your favorite at the time, but that was before the Deathly Hallows. |
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| Purple Marauder | Feb 25 2012, 10:32 PM Post #82 |
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You seriously expect me to go back and read all of this? Yes I have seen all of the HP movies now. |
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 10:32 PM Post #83 |
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And how would you order them favorite wise? |
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| Purple Marauder | Feb 25 2012, 10:34 PM Post #84 |
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I knew that would be your next question. ![]() Would it upset you if I made the Deathly Hollows 1 entry? |
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| Kraul | Feb 25 2012, 10:37 PM Post #85 |
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Maybe you were going to dispute the "marathon" aspect of this.
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 10:39 PM Post #86 |
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Would it upset me if you did what? ![]()
Yeah, I thought the question was implied when I asked if you had watched all the movies and even pointed out your previously mentioned favorite. So, get to it. How do you rank them?
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| Purple Marauder | Feb 25 2012, 10:43 PM Post #87 |
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Instead of ranking DH part one at number 5 and part 2 at number 6, I combine them into one entry at number 4 or something to that effect. |
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 10:45 PM Post #88 |
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Oh! If you made the 2 Deathly Hallows just 1 entry on the list. Ok! That makes perfect sense. See, I read it as Deathly Hallows 1, as in the first Death Hallows movie. So I didn't know if you were asking Kraul if you could post the review for the DH1! Sorry, man, I totally fucked that up in my head. But, yeah, if you want to count the 2 DH as 1 movie, then that's fine.
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| Purple Marauder | Feb 25 2012, 10:49 PM Post #89 |
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So In Order or Worst to best: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 1 & 2 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Yeah, I think that's about right for me. |
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| Cybrus | Feb 25 2012, 10:51 PM Post #90 |
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You're pretty much in agreement with Kraul's reviews thus far, then. I think he'd rank COS higher than POA or OotP, but it's curious how the 2 people here that have never read the books rank the movies about the same. What was it about HBP that made it your favorite? |
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