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RYBACK!; Feed Me More!
Topic Started: Jun 23 2012, 01:47 AM (1,132 Views)
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I love this guy!

Yeah, I know he's Fake Goldberg. But I actually prefer him. His power moves are a lot more fun to watch than Goldberg's offense was. Plus, his squashes are more entertaining to me than some 15-minute chain wrestling from whomever. It's just over the top violence. Fun to watch.

I think of Bret Hart-Owen Hart classics as steak and mashed potatoes of the diet. Ryback-type killings are cupcakes and ice cream; they're dessert. And once in awhile, I like some dessert!

I find Ryback's murdering of nobodies are becoming the only segments I don't fast-forward through.

Now, I'm not sure about his character, though. They haven't come out and said it was the "cyborg from the future" thing. Good Christ, I hope not. That will fail utterly. But if they come up with a decent story, he could be big.

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But what's the difference between Brodus Clay squashing his random opponents every night and Ryback? It's all so boring to me and makes me wish wwe would quit being lazy in determining who gets put over by who. It reminds me of the dog days of Smackdown (Still going on btw), when Kurt Angle would get bored and challenge people in their home towns and then squash them. Nothing interesting there because there's no story, no fight, and no reason for me to give a damn. I want to see Kurt work some magic in the ring with someone new! Not some dude I'll never see again. And to become interested in Ryback, the same will need to happen.

But on the note of him being fake Goldberg, I say 'why not?'. I mean, they always ruin their big guy monsters, but the smaller powerhouses such as Brock Lesnar and Batista (Even though I was never a fan) usually go well for them. And we haven't had one of those types in a while, so I'm up for them at least giving it a shot.
Edited by Cableguy15, Jun 23 2012, 04:30 AM.
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Jun 23 2012, 04:26 AM
But what's the difference between Brodus Clay squashing his random opponents every night and Ryback?
Oh, DAMN! You can't tell?!

Brodus just wins squashes. Ryback KILLS PEOPLE!

I'll put it like this: Brodus' matches are secondary; people watch him dance. That's his draw. Ryback's matches ARE his draw. That's the difference.

Ever seen Rocky III? The opening montage, with Survivor's Eye of the Tiger, and Clubber Lang (Mr. T) just punching people's skeletons out of their bodies? That gets you PUMPED, and you laugh at how over the top the beating is. That's Ryback.

- and yes, if you're one of the 5 people worldwide who HAVEN'T seen that segment I mentioned, youtube it. :lol:
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I digging him too. I'm hoping they start putting him in feuds where he squashes actual people on the roster. If not, then start feeding him 3, 4, 5 jobbers!
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Oh, they definitely need to start giving him real opponents. Jobber heels, like Jinder Mahal and Heath Slater.

But like I said, some clarification on his character is needed, as well.
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Mind you, I don't watch Smackdown anymore, so I have no idea what he's got save for his short stint with Nexus. I'd rather Keith Slater wasn't fed to him though; at least he's trying to be something more than just another jobber. I mean, he's picking at the bare bones of enertainment making fun of older people and then singing, but damn it, I'll give him a chance!

Also, anyone who's into fighting related sports has without a doubt seen or seen the most important parts of Rocky III. :lol:
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I think there is a place in wrestling for a guy like Ryback. Some fans just like to see that dominate type of character that can come out and beat the shit out of guys. The problem with that type of character is that the character is usually limited. Once he is in a real feud with someone and has to show vulnerability, then fans start loosing interest in the character. Obviously, there are exceptions to this, but it's usually the case.

I am surprised that they are sticking with 2 jobbers for Ryback. At No Way Out, he screamed "feed me three!' and the announcers mentioned it. I assumed we'd see them up the ante and feed Ryback 3 jobbers. :shrug:

Personally, I'm not a fan of Ryback at this point. I find his squashes to be boring and meaningless. I am hoping that the pay off for all these squashes is for them to give Ryback an instant rub against a guy like Big Show or something. I want to see Big Show (or any other big name, but I cannot think of another big guy that is a big name) talking trash on the mic and say he cannot be beaten or something, then have Ryback come out. Let the two have a staredown or something, then let them lock horns and have Ryback win. This wouldn't be an actual match or anything. It would just be a promo moment where Ryback is made to mean something by taking out a big name like Big Show.

But, yeah, until something like that happens then I really don't have interest in Ryback.
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In all honesty, I don't see where the WWE can go with Ryback, other than doing what he is doing. Granted, they are making him look unstoppable, but I feel he's limited to just destroying jobbers, which in the long run, does put him over, but will get boring after a while.

I'm not even sure if he's a heel or a face, he's just there, beating people up.

WWE need a direction to further past his "kill x-amount of jobbers" work, and something like what Cy said, put him against a massive superstar, and build on him that way, as that is the only way he will gain any sort of future credibility if he is able to take down someone like Big Show... the only thing is, how many Big Show vs Ryback matches or storylines would it take for the WWE "Universe" to switch off from both of them all together? I'm guessing 1...
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I wouldn't go with Show. I'd have Ryback at least go through Mark Henry first, then Kane. If we're going the "book him against a monster" route.

I don't see why it has to be that way, though. He could just as easily move up into heel jobbers, then the heel midcard, and then to the top tier, like everyone else does. Just because he has power-based moves doesn't mean he can ONLY use them against beasts. For example, I'm pretty sure The Miz can take a fisherman's buster just as simply as he can take an RKO.
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Ultimately, though, my biggest question is "When will they feed him to Cena?". Even if they do get behind Ryback and start building him up and put him in credible feuds, I think it'll only be a matter of time before they have Cena defeat him and put him in his place. Because we all know that Cena has to go over everybody that might be anybody in WWE.
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Jun 23 2012, 10:49 PM
Ultimately, though, my biggest question is "When will they feed him to Cena?". Even if they do get behind Ryback and start building him up and put him in credible feuds, I think it'll only be a matter of time before they have Cena defeat him and put him in his place. Because we all know that Cena has to go over everybody that might be anybody in WWE.
Ah yeah, actually. That's the way it is with every top babyface in the company. Everyone that is ever going to be anyone is built up to eventually interact with Hogan, Austin and now Cena.
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Although "fed to" isn't really the right word. The only guy who got fed was Hogan. With the exception of two guys, Hogan did NOT lose. Austin and Cena may beat everyone, but they also lose clean to the guys they beat in return.

So if they have Ryback face Cena three times, it's a good bet that he'll win at least once.
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I hope they don't send him to Cena... Its just gonna be Ryback vs Superman... therefore will be as entertaining as, oh, i don't know, Mae Young doing a strip tease...

Unfortunately, the above will happen... and possibly Ryback getting fed to Cena.

At the end of the day, it will be the limitation of the gimmick and how soon the dominance dies off... when the fans stop buying the jobber killing, they are going to have to do something purely insane with Ryback... unfortunately, that will be job out to Cena and then he will never been seen again...
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I've never understood how losing to "Superman" could possibly be considered getting "buried."
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Jun 25 2012, 11:37 PM
I've never understood how losing to "Superman" could possibly be considered getting "buried."
:lol: Me either. It seems to be that anyone losing to someone a person doesn't like (Cena, Trips) equals "burial". And then they talk about how wins and losses don't matter. Go figure.

A burial is when a guy loses every single time, to jobbers and whatnot. It's very possible to lose to a top star, and not wind up at the bottom. It's happened to hundreds of guys.

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There are several ways to "feed" one wrestler to another and several ways to "bury" talent. What you just described, SRP, is the most extreme way of burying talent. But, basically, any time they are trying to build up something on a wrestler and then they stop it completely after losing to one specific wrestler, then that's a form of burial. Take Lord Tensai for example. WWE was building him up as a dominate in ring competitor. But then they fed him to Cena and had him lose to Cena like 3 times over the span of a month. And what have they done with Tensai since? Nothing. That's a burial. Granted, it's a small scale burial since they only spent about 2 weeks building Tensai before throwing him at Cena, but it's the most recent example.
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Jun 27 2012, 02:24 AM
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I've never understood how losing to "Superman" could possibly be considered getting "buried."
:lol: Me either. It seems to be that anyone losing to someone a person doesn't like (Cena, Trips) equals "burial". And then they talk about how wins and losses don't matter. Go figure.

A burial is when a guy loses every single time, to jobbers and whatnot. It's very possible to lose to a top star, and not wind up at the bottom. It's happened to hundreds of guys.

There's more to a burial than just that. There's also completely putting someone down and ruining their reputation with the fans (Whether it be good or bad). And yes, HHH has done that before. Is he the horrible bad guy everyone thinks he is on the internet? I doubt it; he's too well rounded behind the scenes from what I can tell, and he didn't get his push by sleeping with the Boss' daughter contrary to popular belief. People often forget his succesful DX run in 99 and mega heel turn. Well before he went out with Stephanie.

I can't think of a time Cena has outright burried someone though. I'm sure it has happened, because almost all of the greats have done it in the past. There was the Jericho feud in 2005 where he pretty much lost every single match to him, though knowing Jericho, that may have actually been his own doing.
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Jun 27 2012, 12:56 PM
There are several ways to "feed" one wrestler to another and several ways to "bury" talent. What you just described, SRP, is the most extreme way of burying talent. But, basically, any time they are trying to build up something on a wrestler and then they stop it completely after losing to one specific wrestler, then that's a form of burial. Take Lord Tensai for example. WWE was building him up as a dominate in ring competitor. But then they fed him to Cena and had him lose to Cena like 3 times over the span of a month. And what have they done with Tensai since? Nothing. That's a burial. Granted, it's a small scale burial since they only spent about 2 weeks building Tensai before throwing him at Cena, but it's the most recent example.
Tensai lost once and by looking at the SmackDown spoilers it looks like he hasn't fallen out of favor with the office.

I don't agree with the Superman/Cena/Triple H comparison anyway (Cena lost 6 out of the 13 PPV's last year. Lost to the Rock at Mania and Tensai clean on RAW. Both Austin and Hogan's win-loss records shit all over that), but how could losing to "Superman" possibly be considered getting buried anyway? He's Superman. Does Lex Luthor instantly lose all credibility when he's inevitably defeated? No, because that's what villians are there for: to be thwarted by the Hero.

It's such a mind-blowingly simple concept, yet the "smart" fans (and I use that term extremely loosely) still can't seem to grasp it.


@Cableguy; Cena beat Jericho and Christian at Vengence but Christian took the pin-fall. The only other time they wrestled were SummerSlam and the night after on RAW, when it wouldn't have made sense for Jericho to win seeing as how he was leaving.

Edit: By the way, I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone here in particular about the supposed smart Wrestling fans.
Edited by In Brightest Day, Jun 28 2012, 05:27 AM.
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I've said it before; losing a match means nothing if the guy's over. Being made to look stupid doesn't matter, if the guy has "it".

Trips is a prime example. Does anyone even want to admit to all the shit he's been through? Yes, HE was dropped in pigshit on PPV. Yes, HE was jobbed to a fucking garbage man. HE got squashed by an old man at the biggest show of the year, jobbed his first title to a shitty rookie that the fans didn't like, lost his first World Title to a non-wrestler, fucked a CORPSE with a mask on, tapped out clean to lose a World Title at WrestleMania ("You tapped out!"), the works!

Why does Trips still roll? Because he's actually over. Anyone "buried" by losing, or being made the fool one time, it's because he's not that fucking great. Time to get that through your heads.
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Jul 1 2012, 03:12 AM
Anyone "buried" by losing, or being made the fool one time, it's because he's not that fucking great. Time to get that through your heads.
Who exactly are you talking to here? Because your entire rant here makes no sense within the conversation we've had so far in this thread. :shrug:

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Pretty sure he was addressing me, and if you were SRP, the point of my post wasn't to paint HHH as some kind of bad guy who buries all the talent. I'm saying it happens to everyone and it's way more common than you're leading on. And it's not as simple as winning and losing either. :angry:

The bad guys are meant to lose and look stupid at the end of the night. That's always been their thing.
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Nah. I was actually just venting. :lol: I was reading reviews and seeing a ton of Trips-bashing about "burying" talent. Since I can't reply to show reviews, I came on here and kind of went off.

But my points about Triple H are still true. He's been made to look the fool a billion times, and if he can make it through, so can anyone else, IF they actually have any real it factor.
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That is not entirely true, SRP, and I think you know that. Triple H didn't just rise up due to his own talents. Now, don't get me wrong. Triple H is a talented guy and is deserving of his career. And I don't sit around and talk about backstage politics like I know about them or anything of the sort. But the simple fact is that Triple H did NOT get his big break just because he was a talented guy that stuck through it all until his talents rose him above.

Triple H was a jobber for WWE. Well, not exactly a jobber since he was a former IC Champion and a mid carder for the company. But like you pointed out, he did have a lot of shit thrown his way. And there was absolutely no sign that this was ever going to change. It took real life friend and main eventer HBK to speak up on Triple H's behalf and ask to be paired with Triple H (starting DX) to give Triple H that opportunity to truly shine. And Triple H did take advantage of that opportunity and we all know what became of his career. But the simple fact remains that he was on the path to be a lost talent until HBK spoke up for him and gave him his chance to shine.

And the same story can be told for countless other guys, except with a much worse ending. There have been loads of really talented guys that could have been huge for the company, but were never given their chance to show it because they didn't have the right connection to be given that chance.
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I don't agree totally on that. Sure, he got over huge through DX, but the 1997 KOTR and the feud with Mankind had him squarely on the map. HBK had nothing to do with that. And even before, Chyna was getting Trips over fine.

But all that is irrelevant. What I was saying is that one guy beating another, or making him "look bad" isn't "burial". Even if Trips got help, it's not his fault that guys he beat (like Jericho) did NOT get help afterward. Sure, Trips got some help, but he was still enough of a commodity for it to mean something. It's not like HBK could have teamed with, say, Savio Vega and turned him into a 10-time World Champion.

And quite frankly, I just HATE it when anyone mentions burials. That word should only be spoken in regards to an Undertaker specialty match, in my eyes. Anytime I read it, it just sends me into rage-posting! Which...this was an example of. :lol:
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Jul 2 2012, 03:06 AM
What I was saying is that one guy beating another, or making him "look bad" isn't "burial".
I absolutely agree with that. Win/Loss doesn't mean a damn thing in wrestling (Sorry to TNA and their BFGS). It's the reaction of wrestlers that make/break a star and even bury other wrestlers. If an established wrestler goes into a feud and makes it look like the rising star has no chance, flat out mocks the rising star, etc, then, yes, that is a burial. We've seen it loads of times before. And it doesn't matter if the rising star does get the eventual win in a match, it's still counter productive. If fans watch an established star that they know and trust crap all over someone else for a month leading into a match, then those fans are not going to take the rising star serious. Period.
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I don't agree totally on that. Sure, he got over huge through DX, but the 1997 KOTR and the feud with Mankind had him squarely on the map. HBK had nothing to do with that. And even before, Chyna was getting Trips over fine.

I don't know why I just remembered this, but it literally just popped in my head a few moments ago. I remember reading in Chyna's WWE Auto Biography that she mentioned meeting BOTH HBK and Triple H about the idea of being paired with Triple H as a bodyguard. So to deny HBK's influence over his friend's career prior to being paired on TV would be down right foolish. Again, I'm not a backstage politics conspirator. I think Triple H has the talent for the career he has. But I don't think there is any denying that he had help getting his break and didn't just get his break because of his own talent.
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No Ryback on Raw this week. What the fuck?! He's the ONLY thing I don't fast-forward. :angry:
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He was on Smackdown, and against someone on the roster.
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WWE have been refused registration to trademark "Ryback". They were first refused back in January because the USPTO felt it was merely a surname and they don't allow trademarks for such. WWE got back to them a few days ago, giving various reasons as to why their Ryback is more than just a surname. They were again refused, this time final, because the USPTO were not satisfied with their answer.
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So Ryback has to change his name?
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