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Topic Started: Dec 11 2012, 08:32 AM (2,990 Views)
Kraul

I think I'm gonna have to re-watch those movies, too. It's been so long since I've seen any of them, I barely remember anything about them.
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Perhaps it was mentioned in this thread already, but anybody that has Netflix should watch at least the opening of the season six finale "Descent: Part 1". The music is... warped.

The dialogue and sound effects are fine, but the music sounds like really worn out cassette tape audio. Very warbly.

It might not be a Netflix thing, though, because I feel as if I can somewhat recall something similar when watching an episode on television years ago. It might have been this one.

I wonder happened exactly to cause the music to warp?
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I knew there was a porn parody for Star Trek and Star Trek TNG. But, I didn't know there was one for DS9. The title?

Star Trek Deep Throat 9. :lol:

But, when you actually watch it, its based on TOS and not DS9. Not that that matters...because it's porn.

Captain Cock... :lol:
Edited by Purple Marauder, May 28 2013, 03:16 AM.
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I don't know if I can continue to watch Deep Space Nine. I'm something like a dozen episodes into the first season and so far it has yet to do anything for me.

I like Quark. I like Odo... usually. O'Brien is okay, but I've never paid much attention to him even on TNG. I like to look at Dax, although I somehow find Kira much more attractive. But that's really about as far as my interest goes.

The doctor, Bashir(?), is absolutely annoying (he's like an arrogant medical version of Wesley Crusher) and Sisko so far seems more like some hard-ass in charge rather than a respectable leader. Kirk, Picard, Janeway... they feel like leaders, Sisko just feels like a boss. And Jake? Does he possess any personality? It really seems he exists purely to give Sisko some depth beyond dickface in charge.

I've heard people say that it picks up with season three and gets really good towards the end, but also that to fully appreciate it you have to watch the first two seasons. At this rate, I just don't know if I can do it.

Honestly, the main reason I want to keep pushing is just so I can see both the cameo appearances by non-DS9 characters and to see more Worf when he comes in. The only character I even half-care about so far is Quark, though, so it'll be tough if I keep going.
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For me, DS9 did pick up with the third season, but I see the first two season as build up for the characters before and major storylines take center stage.
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Stick with it. Bashir transforms from Wesley II to The Ultimate Medical Badass over time. Like some wrestlers, he just needed the right manager...
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May 28 2013, 10:16 PM
Like some wrestlers, he just needed the right manager...
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May 28 2013, 10:16 PM
Like some wrestlers, he just needed the right manager...
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A cardassian? Hmm.

The cardassians did start showing signs of not all being despicable bigots towards the end of The Next Generation, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I think I'll just half-watch DS9 until it picks up. Have it playing while I do other things, but only so-so pay attention. I won't remember everything come later on, but it'd definitely be better than just skipping to season three.

I just can't wait until Worf shows up.
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I was never a fan of Worf on DS9. As in, Worf himself. But the stories he carries in with him are the big treat. He allows DS9 to go WAY in-depth with a lot of Klingon stories. The characters that come with that (such as our old TNG buddy Gowron) are far more interesting than Worf. But he does get huge points for making all that possible.
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60 years old today.
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He and Patrick Stewart are the best actors from the show.
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May 30 2013, 10:32 PM
He Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart are the best actors from the show.
Speaking of which, I was walking past a claw machine today that I pass by frequently and while glancing at it I noticed something I never expected to see: a stuffed Data toy.

I understand that maybe it was put in there recently to capitalize on the new Star Trek movie, but of all things, a stuffed Data with TNG uniform?

With Data easily being my most favorite Star Trek character of all-time, you can bet I was more than a little tempted to try for it but I gave up those claw machines many years ago. Those fuckers are rigged. The claws are always too loose. And while Data was right on top, another stuffed animal was partially covering his left arm and I knew that was more than enough to keep the claw from successfully picking it up.

Still: an unexpected small dose of awesome in the day.
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May 30 2013, 10:32 PM
He Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart are the best actors from the show.
I loved Data and Brent did a great job playing him on TNG. However, I have never really seen him in anything else and thought, "Man, he's a good actor." afterwards. Colin and Patrick I repeatedly think that with.
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Happy birthday to this shape shifter.
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Clayton Endicott III... How old is he?
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So are the Bajorans supposed to be to DS9 was the Cardassians were to TNG (with the Cardassians in DS9 being what the Romulans were to TNG)? The whole struggling to maintain peace while constantly having little flare ups of violent disagreement?
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The Bajorans are the oppressed though. They aren't the bad guys in the situation. The Cardassians in all shows were basically a type of "evil alien".
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Well there has been several episodes so far (I'm in season two) where the Bajorans have been the antagonists, usually via extremists, and it seemed common enough in this series that it had me wondering.

It wasn't until I finished the seven seasons of TNG that I realized how big of a part Cardassians played in the Trek universe. I always thought the Romulans were the main big bad guys throughout all series until the Borg come along. But not only do the Romulans take much more of a back seat than I had originally believed, but so do the Borg (at least until Voyager).

I think out of all of the antagonists, I prefer the Borg the most though. I think that will definitely help me enjoy Voyager again (I used to watch it back in the 90s and that was the last time).

On a side note, I have to say that I really wish Q showed up more often. I think he might be in the top five for my favorite characters spanning all series.
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Then you will love Voyager. The ratings were so bad they practically had the Borg or Q in almost every episode toward the end.
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Then you will love Voyager. The ratings were so bad they practically had the Borg or Q in almost every episode toward the end.
The only thing I'm really not looking forward to when it comes to Voyager is all the focus Seven of Nine gets. I stopped watching around late '99, but even then I had more than enough of Seven by that point. For whatever reason, she never did anything for me. It may be different when I get to the series again thirteen years later, but we'll see. Even Hugh entertained me more than Seven ever did.

I think their desperate attempt to push her as a sex symbol might have been part of the problem, too. I never really found her attractive but it was so obvious they were trying so hard to have her in that role that it kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. I always found Kes and B'Elanna to be so much more attractive, anyway.

To be honest, the series post-TNG I'm most interested in seeing in full is Enterprise. I loved that show when I watched some re-runs of it on SyFy years ago. I've heard it goes down hill, but I expect to enjoy it at least until the end. Plus, I don't remember disliking any of the main characters. They all kind of had at least some appealing attributes. The main crew of Enterprise might have been the most solid cast since TNG, imo.

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I think I may know why I am just not really getting into DS9. It's too action heavy without any real feeling of exploration or philosophy. It feels like very little is being discovered or understood but more just running through standard sci-fi television show plots. It feels less like Star Trek and more like Stargate.

I just ended up skipping much of the second season after being absolutely utterly disinterested still. I stopped on a handful of episodes that sounded interesting (although the descriptions on Netflix for DS9 suck), but even those were rather forgettable.

I'm debating on just skipping the entire series for now and moving on to Voyager. Or even on to Enterprise since it might be a good refresher with it having a much different feel than the Star Trek seen in the 90s. True, it could be described the same way I just described DS9 style-wise (action focused and all), but Enterprise just did it differently. Plus, it has the whole prequel thing going for it and for whatever reason I have a soft spot for prequels.
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I hated Voyager. My least favorite Star Trek series. I still have not watched all the episodes. I liked Enterprise better. I did find that the stand alone episodes were better than the ones that had a story arc to them.
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I got over my bias against DS9 and really enjoyed it. VOY was better than I expected, though to be fair I had very low expectations.

Enterprise was suppose to be the chosen one :cry:
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VOY was better than I expected, though to be fair I had very low expectations.


With Voyager getting closer and closer, I'm starting to feel a bit of hesitance with it. It was my first Star Trek, it deals heavily with an enemy that I really hoped to see more of in other series but didn't in the Borg, and it has much more of a TNG feel than DS9 from what I've heard and remember but...

I've heard a lot of bad things about it. And it has been thirteen+ years since I last watched it regularly. It could be rough.


I started to watch Enterprise this morning before I went to sleep.

My only real complaint so far (I'm right after the two-parter beginning and the following episode) is that there isn't enough Star Trek feeling stuff. Even just seeing iconic badges on their chest would help a bit. Plus, the uniforms are so bad. I forgot that I never really liked the uniforms on this show.

That said, my opinions on the characters so far are changing from what they used to be:

Captain Archer is... lacking. He doesn't really seem like a very competent leader but more like some half-clueless manager who continually lucks into success. He seems like the kind of guy that would be second or third in charge at a grocery store who while a good guy is probably in way over his head.

Trip this time around is just annoying.

T'Pol is still cool.

Hoshi is my favorite this time around. I love her personality and her struggles with her situation.

The others haven't had a chance to shine at all yet, so I'm still pretty neutral for them.

As for DS9, I've decided to go through the seasons with the show running in the background almost exclusively. I don't find it entertaining enough to keep close attention but if it runs in the background then I can still catch some of the interesting moments (unless I fall asleep to it).

A random thing that came to my mind while DS9 was playing last was the odd bunch of ranks/fields that seem to get invited into the very important meetings. Why is the doctor involved in almost all of the important political dealings on DS9? Why was a therapist seemingly one of the highest ranking people (only not, at the same time) on the Enterprise under Picard's command?

I'm half-surprised we don't see Guinan and Quark at all the very important meetings or sitting at a station on the bridge half the time, too.

Speaking of the therapist, how exactly does Troi maintain her appointments if she's seemingly spending all of her on-duty time sitting by the Captain on the bridge? Is she taking them all during off-duty hours?

And why do the Captains put themselves in the squads leading away missions so often? Shouldn't that be the role of the number two or a lower ranking individual (like a Security Chief)? Especially on the extremely dangerous missions. I would think losing the captain would outweigh any benefits of having the captain joining most away missions.

Yeah, I know it's a TV show and all of these are done to shoehorn in the main characters into more plots but it still bothers me.
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Ha, I thought that the ENT's jumpsuits were the only uniforms that made sense :lol:

Also, ENT felt very much like The Original Series during the first two seasons, maybe that's why it's not feeling Star Treky enough since you skipped TOS.
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Well, I skipped TOS this time around. I did watch it back when it first came on G4 with all of those annoying facts and crap on the bottom of the screen like a ticker. I got into it a little bit. Enough to declare Sulu and Spock as my favorites. But never really beyond those few weeks back in like 2006 or 2007.

Some of the aspects took me a little bit to remember being something that came along with TNG not TOS, like the communicator pins. I think they were really only using the pseudo-cell phones in TOS.

What bothers me about the uniforms in Enterprise is just the blue. If it was black, or dark grey, then it would look fine and look just like some futuristic version of what someone on a Navy vessel/Airforce tarmac/space station would wear but still very Star Trek-like. It's still pretty Star Trek-like but the blue... ugh. It's just ugly. :lol:
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Well, I skipped TOS this time around. I did watch it back when it first came on G4 with all of those annoying facts and crap on the bottom of the screen like a ticker. I got into it a little bit. Enough to declare Sulu and Spock as my favorites. But never really beyond those few weeks back in like 2006 or 2007.

My bad.

I saw ENT starting out from not looking Star Trek-like at all (intentionally) to ending as the foundation of TOS.

I never understood Star Trek's communicators in any series; I mean at least with cell phones you can have a semi-private conversation, but with the communicators everyone knows your business!
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