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| CRSHFBRCTN | Aug 26 2014, 02:13 AM Post #241 |
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I would put good money that within the next year they will start removing stuff. I know they said they wouldn't, but I just don't see how it is viable without doing so. People will just watch what they want and cancel it. |
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:18 AM Post #242 |
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You have access to all the WWE, WCW, and ECW PPVs. You also have access to the Clash of the Champions archives. You now have access to all the Saturday Night Main Event episodes. But they are slowly adding the Raw and ECW Hardcore TV episodes. They are treating it too much like real TV. They show you a week and want you to wait for the next episode. As if though people are sitting around saying "Oh man, I can't wait for that episode of Raw from 15 year ago!" when they are really saying "This aired 15 fucking years ago! Why in the hell do I have to wait to watch it?" |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Aug 26 2014, 02:19 AM Post #243 |
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They aren't treating it like TV. You get like 5/6 episodes a week, not 1. |
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:23 AM Post #244 |
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Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I am a happy WWE Network subscriber and will continue to subscribe. I would prefer better handling of certain things, as I've made clear. However, if they start deleting content I will cancel as that's the only way to voice my opinion directly to WWE. I can watch PPVs and NXT via other means. Removing or time limiting content on a VOD is not the way to handle this service. Actually, let me rephrase. Removing or time limiting the main content like the archives is a turn off and would cause me to cancel my subscription. But if they did that with other content, it'd be more acceptable. For instance, if they added some of their WWE Films for a limited time only, then that would be fine. Same with any of their other DVDs that they've been airing under the "Beyond the Ring" section. If that entire section was "watch it or miss out" then that would be acceptable. Just don't tamper with the actual selling point of the network. |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Aug 26 2014, 02:25 AM Post #245 |
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Well, then I predict you'll be canceling in the next year. It'd be kind of shitty to cancel and then steal their PPVs and NXT stuff though, but I guess that's your prerogative. I already think we're getting more than our moneys worth at $10 a month. I think consumers have become incredibly greedy. |
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:26 AM Post #246 |
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That is exactly my point. They are treating it like TV in that you have to wait for the next episode. Want to watch the 4 episodes of Raw leading into a PPV from 2004 so that you can understand all the storylines and logic behind storylines you may have forgotten or missed? Well, that's too bad because they are still slowly feeding you episodes from 1995. |
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:28 AM Post #247 |
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And I still think WWE should offer different pricing options for their Network. They should have a basic model at $10 and a premium version at $20. I agree that the service is under-priced. But if they start removing content, then it's all for naught. I don't see them removing content like you assume they will. |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Aug 26 2014, 02:29 AM Post #248 |
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Well, price will definitely go up if more people don't start subscribing. |
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:35 AM Post #249 |
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Offer the service more people want to pay for and more people would pay for it. And I don't understand why people think the numbers are low. WWE did an average of 250,000 to 300,000 PPV buys per month before they launched the Network. They currently have an estimate of 700,000 subscribers within the USA (can't be arsed to look up the exact figure). If their subscriber count is twice as high as their older monthly buy rates, then how is that not a success? If WWE is losing profit, then it's because the service is priced too low. The price really should be $20/month. |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Aug 26 2014, 02:38 AM Post #250 |
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Why should it be? Entitled consumers already think $10 is too much even though they're getting every PPV in history, almost every ECW TV episode, every SNME, a ton of documentaries, original content, live content (including PPVs), hundreds of RAW episodes, hundreds of Smackdown episodes, and more.
Edited by CRSHFBRCTN, Aug 26 2014, 02:38 AM.
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:39 AM Post #251 |
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I am not sure what you are asking. |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Aug 26 2014, 02:42 AM Post #252 |
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You said the price should be $20. I think there is already enough value in the Network to warrant a $20 price tag, but from what I've been reading on the internet most people disagree. |
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:46 AM Post #253 |
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I think there is enough content to warrant a $20 price tag right now. It is a great service. I would change how they are handling certain aspects of the Network, obviously, but the Network really is the best thing WWE has ever done (and that's saying a lot!). It's a great service and WWE under-priced themselves. Also, if they started at $20/month they could offer special promotional deals where you get the first month for $10 or something. I think that would be a better selling point than 1 free week. |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Aug 26 2014, 02:48 AM Post #254 |
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Don't get me wrong, I would love love love to have everything available at my finger tips right now, just from a business perspective I don't think it's the best decision. |
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| Cybrus | Aug 26 2014, 02:56 AM Post #255 |
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I disagree. I think a lot of the backlash is due to the fact that WWE isn't offering the full service that they could be offering. There is no reason not to have full archives up. Like I said, if they want to build their archives then do it show by show. Start with all the Raw archives, but add them all at once so people can dig into them. Theme your live schedule around the Raw archives. Create Network exclusive content by doing different best of series for Raw. Do a series on most shocking Raw moments. Biggest Raw returns. Saddest Raw moments. Stuff like that. Let the paying customers have full access to anything they want to watch, but still have the new content to motivate them to keep watching. That is probably 6 or 8 months of programming right there. Then move onto the the next archive addition. Add the Nitro archives, all of them. And then do the same. Do the recaps, the shocking moments, all that kind of programming. Then when you have both fully added, you do the Monday Night Wars stuff. After people have had ample enough time to digest both shows, you show them how they competed against each other. Viewers from that era already know this, but there have been a huge turn over rate in the last 15 or so years since that was a thing. Then after you've done that, go to Smackdown. Follow the same formula. Then go to Thunder. Follow the same formula. This is probably 2 years worth of programming that gives paying customers full access to the libraries they want to watch without the irritation of going "Shit, they are still in 1995. How many episodes are they adding a week? How long do I have to wait until I can see what I wanted to see the first day I paid my money for this service?" |
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| MY85 | Aug 26 2014, 09:40 PM Post #256 |
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It's a fabulous new day, yes it is!
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When I wanted to see certain Raw episodes from a few years ago, I was miffed to see that's it not totally complete yet. I can understand the one month delay on current Raw and SD episodes, but to not be able to check out past Raws and SDs? Question: how do you cancel out of the WWE Network? I'm on the one-month price at 12.99, but I wanna cancel and then subscribe again when Survivor Series comes very near at 9.99 per month. Reason to cancel: I don't use it that much, really. Mostly tested it out of curiosity for the PPVs. Edited by MY85, Aug 26 2014, 09:41 PM.
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| Cybrus | Aug 27 2014, 03:39 AM Post #257 |
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I don't have the per month option, so I have no way of cancelling. But I would assuming you go into the Billing portion of your account and look for the cancel button at the bottom. I would guess that the subscription numbers are fixing to take a hit. The last few months of the calendar year aren't known for having many must-see PPVs. You could make a case for Survivor Series being one of the big PPVs, but Night of Champions, Hell in a Cell, and TLC tend to look skippable most years. So I expect to see the numbers drop when WWE releases them next time. Well, they might go up over all due to them expanding, but the usa numbers will probably drop. I expect the numbers to go up by Royal Rumble time, though. |
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| MY85 | Aug 27 2014, 03:53 AM Post #258 |
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It's a fabulous new day, yes it is!
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Royal Rumble time is almost perfect to do the 9.99 per 6 months psyment. Thinking about it, I could renew around Survivor Series, which is supposed to happen on Movember 23, 2014. I could take a 6 month commitment and even get WM31, which airs around March 29, 2015. |
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| MY85 | Aug 31 2014, 12:37 AM Post #259 |
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It's a fabulous new day, yes it is!
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Just rewatched the MITB Ladder Match from this year. I noticed how they removed the bit in which a ref removed Zeb Colter from the ring before Kane's pyro exploded. How quick does WWE remove botches such as that after airing a live PPV? Although, Cole saying "the Five-Star Swagger" (instead of Frog Splash when RVD did it to Swagger) and JBL saying Swagger won a MITB match "two years ago" remains intact as well as a few camera shots hinting at a Kane appearance.
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| Cybrus | Sep 2 2014, 12:38 AM Post #260 |
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Monday Night Nitro has officially been added to the Network! The episodes are listed under the "Vault" tab (I originally looked under the "In Ring" tab, but I guess that's for active shows only). They have 1995 and 1996 Nitros all up and ready for viewing.
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| Fate | Sep 2 2014, 12:50 AM Post #261 |
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Fuck the WWE Network! Fuck Hulk Hogan! HACKTOOIE! ![]() |
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| Cybrus | Sep 4 2014, 03:41 AM Post #262 |
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My Network subscription expired today. I let it expire for 2 reasons: 1) To see what happened. WWE has been sending me email warning me that my subscription expired. I'm interested to see what they send me now that it has fully expired and 2) The next PPV isn't for 3 weeks. I could purchase to watch the NXT special, the Monday Night Wars Documentary, and Nitro, but that can wait a few weeks. I need to sit down and do some math to see when I should order to get the most out of my subscription. I don't want to order and have my subscription expire like a week before a PPV, you know? Anyway, I noticed that I now have 3 subscription options: 1) $9.99/month for 6 months 2) Pay the entire 6 month subscription in one payment 3) Buy one month for $12.99 with no commitment That one month deal is the most expensive, but I can see how it could be alluring to people. The end of the year, especially, is full of very skippable PPVs. You could just wait until December, buy 1 month and watch all the PPVs at once. Or if you are only interested in the Rumble or only interested in WrestleMania, then this is the option for you. Still, I'll be continuing with my 6 month subscription.
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| _DL_ | Sep 4 2014, 05:57 AM Post #263 |
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BURN IT DOOOWWNNNNNNNN!
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I let my subscription laps as well. I found myself watching the Network less and less |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Sep 4 2014, 10:01 PM Post #264 |
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I don't watch it much at all, pretty much only pay-per-views and NXT. I'm reading a lot of people are canceling. I can tell I'll be back to paying $65 for RR and WM soon because this Network is not going to last with people only subscribing for WM season. |
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| Cybrus | Sep 5 2014, 11:19 AM Post #265 |
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WWE kind of brings that upon themselves, though, since they usually offer weaker programming after SummerSlam. I don't think WWE should have to deliver Road to WrestleMania excitement all year around, because that would be overkill and impossible to do. But there has to be a happy medium between WM highs and end of the year lows. Personally, I'll be re-subscribing by time Night of Champions rolls around. I will probably have to work that Sunday night, since I always work Sunday nights. But I'll re-subscribe that Monday morning to watch the PPV. The Network is an amazingly fantastic deal. Even if I only watched PPVs, it'd be a great deal. But I do watch Nitro archives, Raw archives, the Monday Night War Documentary, some of the Countdown shows. I actually watch a great deal of the Network content. I am a very satisfied customer.
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| MY85 | Sep 5 2014, 04:43 PM Post #266 |
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It's a fabulous new day, yes it is!
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I wonder how many non-USA persons subscribed under the $9.99 6-month commitment payment as opposed to the $12.99 per month (w/o commitment) payment. I'm on the latter, but I'm sure most non-USA buyers that started with the former will easily renew again for WM season, unless they take the $12.99 option. |
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| Cybrus | Sep 6 2014, 12:23 AM Post #267 |
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I wonder how the monthly option will factor into their subscription numbers. They originally planned to release subscription numbers each quarterly meeting. I wonder if they'll do a combo and say x number of subscribers and x number of monthly buys for the PPVs? |
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| CRSHFBRCTN | Sep 6 2014, 12:29 AM Post #268 |
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They'll do whatever puts it in the best light. |
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| _DL_ | Sep 6 2014, 12:31 AM Post #269 |
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I plan on re-subscribing for 6 months again, this is just a belt tightening measure. |
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| Cybrus | Sep 6 2014, 10:45 AM Post #270 |
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I still don't understand how a subscriber count of 700K in the USA is considered a fail. Most of the PPVs would only get between 200K and 300K buys each month. There are the obvious exceptions of WrestleMania and maybe SummerSlam, but most of the PPVs averaged in that area. So a subscriber count of twice that average is fantastic. If they need 1 million subscribers to break even, then that's a sign that their price is too low. Bump the price up to $20. I bet people will complain, people always complain. But I bet the subscriber count doesn't take a nosedive either. You'd probably lose some, but not very many. |
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