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The Bounded Conversation Three; Life sucks, and then you Die
Topic Started: Apr 21 2013, 10:15 PM (7,254 Views)
Cybrus
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well, you have a friend in me!! :grin:
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Sir Shorty
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LEAVE ZACK RYDER ALONE YOU BASTARD!!
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I love the amount of irrational hatred you guys have for mid-card guys. I don't understand how someone can hate Ryder. Young, yes, but Ryder no.
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Yeah, Ryder is awesome. I genuinely like watching him wrestle and hope he gets more of a push come brand split.
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it is his lame New Jersey Shore rip off gimmick. it is calling everyone bro. it is the fact that he accidentally got popular some 5 or 7 years ago and is continuously trying to recapture that moment by not changing or growing. he is just boring and somehow simutaneously annoying
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The crowd loves him though.
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the crowd loves him as an under-used underdog. if he had continuous tv time, that would fade quickly. :tu:
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Doubt it. You hear the way the crowd chanted "YOU DESERVE IT" on Raw after he won the IC Ladder match? Crowd went crazy. They'll always love him. You're just bitter because he's cooler than you are. :D
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you doubt it? then please go back to 5 years ago when the crowd was chanting "we want ryder" when he wasnt on tv, so wwe puts him on tv in a feud with jon cena against Kane and watch as ryder's crowd response dies. go ahead. i will wait. fans only like ryder when he is not on tv. it has already been proven
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Jul 13 2016, 05:41 PM
I love the amount of irrational hatred you guys have for mid-card guys. I don't understand how someone can hate Ryder. Young, yes, but Ryder no.
#AllMidCardLivesMatters
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Jul 14 2016, 02:15 AM
you doubt it? then please go back to 5 years ago when the crowd was chanting "we want ryder" when he wasnt on tv, so wwe puts him on tv in a feud with jon cena against Kane and watch as ryder's crowd response dies.
Ignore the fact that they put him in said program and basically destroyed him, his character and all the momentum he had built up by himself without the WWE writers. go ahead. i will wait. The WWE only like ryder when he doesn't get himself over without them. it has already been proven

I'm not a Ryder fan. I think he's dumb and don't like his character. He's a good midcard guy to have around. He can job out to random people getting a push and occasionally get a win on Heat or whatever show they have like that now. My thing is this:

The WWE have always complained about guys that say they don't get :quote: a push :quote: . They say that the WWE is a place where any wrestler can be on top if you show them you can be a draw. I've heard JR and Triple H both say that they told guys to get themselves over. Yet, when they do, the way Zack did on YouTube and social media, they clearly resent it. The crowd chants for them and makes signs and basically upsets the plans and booking and TV shows with reactions that the WWE can't control. So, finally the WWE will put them on TV and into programs and basically do everything they can to destroy that wrestler. They tried the same thing with Daniel Bryan but the crowd wouldn't let them.

Just find the whole thing amusing.
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you doubt it? then please go back to 5 years ago when the crowd was chanting "we want ryder" when he wasnt on tv, so wwe puts him on tv in a feud with jon cena against Kane and watch as ryder's crowd response dies.
Ignore the fact that they put him in said program and basically destroyed him, his character and all the momentum he had built up by himself without the WWE writers. go ahead. i will wait. The WWE only like ryder when he doesn't get himself over without them. it has already been proven
i was waiting for this weak and absurd argument. they took a guy that had no tv time and put him directly in an angle with the longest running face of their company, one of the biggest heels in their company, and a female they were very high on. that isnt :quote: designed to fail :quote: , no, that is ryder sucking ass as usual. i can give loads of examples of bad writing for top stars as well. ryder just blows
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You're right. What do I know. Why don't we ask someone who would. Hmmm, let's see. What about your hero, Stone Cold Steve Austin? So, Steve, What do you think of Zack Ryder and how he was handled after getting himself over?

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On Zack Ryder: "Look at poor Zack Ryder. That kid, he was kind of an early midcard guy and then he starts getting on YouTube. He creates the [Z! True Long Island Story] or whatever it's called. Man, I watched I don't know how many of those things. It was so damn entertaining. The kid got himself over. And then, they bring him back and here's a guy, okay, maybe he could have been like the equivalent of like a Brutus 'The Barber' Beefcake. You know, similar type of role or maybe [a] midcarder or upper midcard or three-quarter card. The dude could have done something! But I don't know. For some reason, maybe some body types [or] some personalities, they just don't see any future in and they cut them down!"
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your quote proves nothing tho. tell me how taking a guy that had zero tv time and pairing him with the biggest face of the company and a heel that has been with the company for almost 20 years now :quote: cutting him down :quote: . Was it cutting Big Show down when he was written to ride on his dad's coffin as Big Boss Man drove away? was it cutting Triple H down when he was in pig pen matches with a hog farmer? was it cutting road dog down to be a singing cowboy? or billy gunn to be a rock a billy? bad storylines are as common in wwe as everything else. zack ryder was given an opportunity to work with 2 of wwe's all time biggest names ever and the crowd stopped caring. that isnt wwe :quote: designing him to fail :quote: , that was wwe giving him a pretty big tv spot and the crowd going from hot to warm to just lukewarm
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This was the WWE booking him to look weak and like a total joke, not giving him a bad character to make something good out of. He had gotten his character over. Just because he was booked to be in a program with Cena doesn't mean anything. No matter who is in a program with who, if one person is booked to specifically to destroy any momentum they have, that guy has no chance in the long run. You can keep trying to deny what happened to Zack, but it happened. Here is another commentary by Mick Foley:

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The story of Zack Ryder is a sad one.

It's a sad story because I've seen so much great, hard-working talent recently on the independent scene, and know how difficult it is for them to even get a shot at the big time, let alone get over...really over. Zack Ryder was over...and now he's not.

It's a sad story because he found a new and unique way to make himself a valuable commodity in WWE - and now his value is gone.

It's a sad story because in November of 2011, after a heavily promoted "once in a lifetime" teaming up of John Cena - WWE Universe and Dwayne The Rock Johnson, Madison Square Garden, the most famous arena in the world erupted in "We want Ryder" chants - and now those chants are gone.

It's a sad story because I refereed several of his main event matches in Europe in that fall of 2011, and saw the joy with which he was received by the fans in that main event role - a role he is unlikely to ever know again.

It's a sad story because fans bought his merchandise, they watched his show on Youtube, they liked him on Facebook (almost 1.5 million) they followed him on Twitter (over 1.5 million) and he made people smile - and now those smiles are gone.

It's a sad story because eventually people get tired of finding out that the WWE Superstars they have supported with their cheers, their purchases, their signs, their follows and their likes aren't real Superstars - and little by little, those fans lose interest in WWE, find other interests, and become former WWE fans.

It's a sad story because the next time WWE talent is given the speech about reaching for the brass ring, at the very least, in the back of their minds, they should be thinking about the guy who reached out and grabbed that brass ring - and was asked to return it.

Maybe his surprise victory on #RAW will be the start of something new. Maybe.

I remember standing in the ring with Zack and #CMPunk at Nassau Coliseum and gladly handing over my claim to being Long Island's most popular wrestler to Zack, Take a good look at that photo. Really look at it. Look at me, still important enough in the company's eyes to be part of an in-ring celebration. Look at Punk, breaking character, and willingly looking foolish, because it was a fun thing to do, and Zack Ryder's character made having fun, and wearing a ridiculous wig seem like the right thing to do. Look at the joy on Zack's face. That type of joy was infectious. It's the type of joy we're not likely to see again. That photo is less than three years old...but it seems like such a long, long time ago.

That's sad.


As I said, I don't give a shit about Zack. If he disappeared I'd never lose sleep over it. But, when the crowd tells you they like someone, as a company, you should listen and put those people on the shows and in positions to succeed. The WWE doesn't always do that.
Edited by Purple Marauder, Jul 14 2016, 04:02 AM.
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it is great that you took time to find quotes from Stone Cold and Mick Foley, but those quotes dont actually say anything of substance. there are no examples or moments of wrong doing. they just say it is sad.

the argument is that wwe held a grudge against ryder for getting himself over and then sabotaged his push. yet, the evidence against this is they took a guy that was getting zero tv time and gave him weekly tv time with the top face, a top heel, and i believe he even got a us title run during this time. you cannot call it sabotage just because the fans stopped chanting for Ryder. nor can you call it sabotage if you didnt like the storyline, because wwe's bad writing isnt exclusive to ryder segments. they gave him a shot, a big one, and the fans quit caring. that is the true story of zack ryder
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Just because you hate the guy doesn't mean what I, and pretty much everyone else that talks about it all seem to agree on including most wrestlers that speak on him, am saying isn't fact. The way he was book with your repeated example of Cena and Kane was designed to kill his momentum. He was booked to come out on the short end of every angle in the story and be the loser to every part of the story. Ryder was US champ after he got himself over. He lost the title when he and Cena and Kane began their program. They took away his title, made him get "injured" by Kane and cheated on by Eve. The crowd stopped cheering for him like they use to because every time they did, the WWE booked him to lose, get beaten down, get humiliated by Eve or something else. If it was designed to help him, he would have gotten the better of Kane in the end. He would have gotten revenge on Eve for "breaking his heart" and using him. But he never did. He just took it and kinda faded away.

I'm not sure how I got to be the guy defending Zack Ryder. :lol:
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Just because you hate the guy doesn't mean what I, and pretty much everyone else that talks about it all seem to agree on including most wrestlers that speak on him, am saying isn't fact.

it is not a fact. it is an opinion, just like my viewpoint is an opinion

now, if your arguement is that wwe booked him in a poor angle, i will agree to that. it was poorly written, but i have cited several examples of other superstars rising above similar poor storylines. wwe creative sucks a lot of times. no arguement there.

but i absolutely do not agree that they sabotaged his push as punishment for getting himself over. he got himself over and was given a chance to work with the biggest names in the history of the company. that is not destroying him. not even a little bit :lol:

zack ryder doesnt get pushes because most people dont really like zack ryder. he is corny and uncool. people cheer because he is an underdog that peopel think are being held back. when he is given a chance and is no longer :quote: being held back :quote: people no longer have a reason to root for him...because of his sucking and all :tu:
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I still remember being at Survivor Series in 2011 at MSG and the entire crowd from before the show started to after it ended and Rock was cutting an off-camera promo in the ring chanting his name. It was freaking insane. Rock had his first match since 2004 yet people were chanting "we want Ryder" at him. I think he even acknowledged it. Ryder didn't even appear on the show I don't think.

Oh and also...I'm fucking meeting Kevin fucking Owens Saturday.
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get him to block you on twitter!!
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Any suggestions as to what I can say to him that would be cool? When I met Daniel Bryan I told him I grew my beard out and conditioned it to impress him and he started dying laughing. Owens seems like someone that would play along to something funny but would get pissed off at things borderline insulting.
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if you had time you could buy the zayn/owens split faced shirt, then ask him to sign it, but make a special request not to mark on sami's half face because sami is your favorite :lol:

http://shop.wwe.com/sami-zayn-and-kevin-owens-fight-forever-vintage-t-shirt/W11781.html?dwvar_W11781_color=Black#start=22

that shirt
Edited by Cybrus, Jul 14 2016, 10:59 AM.
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I can totally see that working. Maybe buy a Zayn action figure with the limited time I have and see what he does. :lol:
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Actually I think I know what I'll do. I'm allowed one personal item signed (plus picture plus autographed picture) so I think I'll check out Toys R Us or somewhere like that and see if they sell one of those Owens vs. Zayn action figure package...then I'll break Zayn's arm off and have Owens sign it. :lol:
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Man, Cybrus doesn't ever like to admit he's wrong about something. :lol:

Thank you Purps, for defending Ryder, giving credible sources and quotes from respected wrestlers, and still having your facts being shot down over and over. Hahaha.
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which :quote: credible facts :quote: ? not a single fact has been presented, only opinions of people more famous than i. have you guys forgotten the difference between actual facts and opinions? i think you have :lol:

FACTS: Ryder wasnt on tv but got himself very popular. ryder was given more tv time. ryder was given multiple merchandise products. ryder was given a us title run. ryder was paired with jon cena and kane in ahigh profile feud.

OPINION: "Well, i didnt like the storyline. it made ryder look weak. they hurt ryder on purpose because they didnt like him"

seriously, guys, just saying the word "fact" doesnt make it one. and quoting a famous opinion doesnt make it a fact either. you can say you didnt like the storyline all you want and it is fine as long as you realize thats your opinion. but lets not make ourselves look foolish by defining that as a fact. because the fact is 5 years ago, wwe took a guy that had no tv time, gave him tv time because he was popular, and it failed. it really is that simple
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There are absolutely measures you can look at to show that Ryder was put in some extremely terrible shit during those high profile feuds. And when he won the IC title this year...he held it for about 24 hours. He didn't even have a chance. Yet, when he started posting things and getting a bit of TV time around when he was announced for the ladder match, people got up and started supporting him and he got a pretty insane pop after he won. Yet, he wasn't given a fair shot to do anything with it. Those are facts. Just because they don't support your narrative doesn't mean it isn't the truth. :lol:

Also, come on guys, really. Whosey is meeting Kevin Owens in less than 48 hours. That is WAY more important than Ryder. So let's try to figure out a way to make this memorable as well as making sure I don't make an ass out of myself.
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Ask Kevin Owens' opinion about how Zack Ryder was handled when he got his sudden TV time.
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lol "hey u/falconarrow what did you think about this?"
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LOL

I see what you did there.




I'm going to use Gold Bond powder on my balls, is that a good idea y/n
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