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SmackDown Discussion Thread; Everything Smacked Down into one convenient thread
Topic Started: Sep 11 2015, 12:36 AM (6,779 Views)
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The real way to watch any tv show is live (unless they're exclusively for streaming devices). While it would be easier to watch Raw/SD without commercials and skipping certain segments, Whosey (or anyone else for that matter) should be able to enjoy the broadcast for what it is at the moment, good, average or bad.

Raw has yet to build up for the traditional Survivor Series matches other than Goldberg-Lesnar, but that's more of an special attraction match. I do think Goldberg should turn heel if reactions next week favors Brock.

As for the triple main event thing, we could read for a definition for the word "main event" on Wikipedia.

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Main event Edit
For other uses, see The Main Event.
A main event usually takes place as the final match of a title-match-system sporting event. The term occurs primarily with reference to combat sports such as boxing, professional wrestling and mixed martial arts. The main event, generally the most prestigious match on the card, has the most promotion behind it. The match commonly involves a contest for a top championship, but may feature another special attraction.

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Sometimes, multiple matches of equally high importance take place on a card, occasionally at intervals throughout (to sustain spectator interest for its duration) but generally at the end in succession. This can be billed as a "double main event" or "double-header" or (rarely) as a "triple main event" or "triple-header". Advertising for sporting bouts focuses primarily on their main events.


I can see how WWE does that thing of mentioning their PPVs having more than 1 main event, despite people thinking of it as the final match of the card. I think the final match of the card can be the most important as it can make or break an event/PPV.

As far as HIAC, Seth/KO and Sasha/Charlotte feel more like "main event" matches than Roman/Rusev to me.
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Raw has yet to build up for the traditional Survivor Series matches other than Goldberg-Lesnar,

Because they are promoting HIAC. Survivor Series isnt until Nov 20 and is the only WWE PPV in November. They have plenty of time to build. Not that much build is needed. How much depth is there to Raw vs SD matches? Nothing is at stake, so it is just a "Can these guys/girls get along long enough to beat those other guys/girls that also dont get along?" :yawn:

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The real way to watch any tv show is live

the real way? So there is a fake way? your preferred way isnt the only correct way :lol:

I also DVR Raw and SD. And i work every Sunday night, so I only watch PPVs live if i specifically request off, which i only do for WM. I dont think i could watch live. How does sitting through commercials make the exerience better? If a segment is on that i am not interested in, how does watching improve anything? The Fast Forward button is my best friend most weeks. It allows me to remain being a fan of things I like without being burned out by the overall show. Otherwise, it would be a weekly question of "is it really worth sitting through all of that just to see....".

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I watch Raw live, which is the only time I really can watch it because late afternoons are the only time I'm generally free, I don't have the luxury to fast forward through any of it.

Have you considered recording Raw and watching it Tuesday?
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My bad on my choice of words, wanted to say ideal instead of real. :(

I never said commercials make for a better experience nor that less interesting segments improve the viewing. It's just part of watching it live. Not everyone will like everything, but a full viewing is a more fair way to judge the whole thing, I think.
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I agree that ideally watching the entire show from start to finish would be great. The commercials are good for breaks where you can move around or grab a snack or calm down from a big segment. but for the most part, the weekly shows have more to glance over than to captivate you

there are some shows i can watch from start to finish without skipping anything. I watch almost every PPV without skipping anything (assuming we arent including preshows. because i watch the pre shows but fast forward though a lot of the recaps and hype. mostly just watch the matches and interviews). also, if there is only 1 act i am not into, i will be on my tablet or texting or whatever, bur still watch the segment. Maybe i dont like curtis axel, but i am still a bo dallas fan. you know? but if the segment starts and just turns to crap, i have no problem skipping it :lol:
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Their is just way too much to watch all of it. Way too much. Whosey I believe you'd enjoy ur Raw watching experience much better if you pvred it. That 30 second skip button works wonders.

I still think you're exaggerating a bit with the whole raw being unwatchable and wanting to tear ur eyes out bit. I mean it's all a matter of personal preference but the reality is, what ur getting on smackdown isn't much different than what you get on raw. Just on raw it's longer and there is more of it.

Also I think you're nitpicking by complaining about how Raw is marketing get their ppv. Their market campaign for this particular ppv is the whole triple main event thing. So what? I honestly don't understand your annoyance by this.
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I watch Raw live, which is the only time I really can watch it because late afternoons are the only time I'm generally free, I don't have the luxury to fast forward through any of it.

Have you considered recording Raw and watching it Tuesday?
No because then I'd be cutting into the wrestling show I actually want to watch. :blank:

I do think it's a major cop-out to say I'd enjoy the shows better if I skipped through a lot of it, because duh, of course I would. But that's an excuse for WWE to put on shitty programming with the idea of "we're filling time because nobody will watch this anyway." So why bother? If I DVR'd it and in hindsight watched everything I wanted to, I would watch the opening segment, the Jericho and Owens backstage segments, the Enzo and Cass entrance, the Bayley thing because I would have wanted to see where they left off last week, the contract signing, probably the Strowman segments, Lesnar/Heyman, and the main event.

So out of those, I mentioned in my live review how I absolutely hated three of those segments, two of those being complete train wrecks. Yeah I would have saved time, but that's what, an hour, maybe an hour 15 of a show that ran over two and a half hours not counting commercials?

You can say you liked the show, liked a segment someone else didn't like, etc., but to say the show was "good" because you're able to cut out half the show by skipping through stuff you don't want to watch is not a good argument about the overall quality of the show.

And yeah, the advertising really bugs me. Again, that's my own personal nitpick, but I HATE when a company tries to use buzzwords to sell a product, and that goes for just about everything. SmackDown doesn't do that as a brand; even their main event on the last PPV, when it came on first, was only announced around the time the gates opened to the venue; they didn't advertise that at all until the last minute, or say something like "Best kick-off match ever" 15 zillion times until you're completely sick of it.

But my nitpick doesn't include the reasoning behind the advertising, because as I mentioned, that is an assumed fact at this point; WWE announces their numbers, and you can see it jumps between the Royal Rumble and the month after WrestleMania each year, so the only 7-8 months is usually about keeping those viewers and having them pay 10 dollars a month; it isn't about getting new subscribers necessarily, so whoever watches the monthly shows will already have the Network and will know about the show, so I feel like any continuous advertising like this is a waste of time.
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And yeah, the advertising really bugs me. Again, that's my own personal nitpick, but I HATE when a company tries to use buzzwords to sell a product,
Whosey relevant
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I think AJ Styles should lose the title to Bray Wyatt at WM. It would be great for Bray as this would be the break he finally needs. Once AJ is done with boring Dean Ambrose and he starts to target the IC title or something, maybe feud with Orton to keep Orton entertained and occupied, I could see a feud between AJ and Bray being really entertaining.

As someone who watches both shows when they come on, commercials and everything, it doesn't bother me too much watching the full show. I'm usually on my phone playing a game when boring matches come on, like Braun Strowman or the Smackdown tag division that isn't Beauty and the ManBeast. I wouldn't say Raw is god awful and terrible like wwefootos claims. Raw is entertaining, I think they're marketing their PPVs and main events just fine...how do you want them to market their PPV and main events? (sorry if you already explained how, but when every single post of yours is 67 paragraphs long, I tend to skim them).

Daniel Bryan is actually becoming a bit of a turn off for me for Smackdown. To blame AJ Styles for his first loss to Ellsworth, "Well AJ asked for it and we granted it!", no you STUPID IDIOT! AJ didn't ask for stupid Dean Ambrose to be the guest referee, pretending that Ellsworth won clean over AJ the first time around. "It's AJ's fault, he can only blame himself!"...shut the hell up Daniel, you stupid idiot.

But then to make a match with two of Smackdown's better women's wrestlers that, whoever wins gets to be team captain and whoever loses isn't in the match at all...is freaking stupid and asking for an L at Survivor Series. You're telling us Daniel, that you'd rather have Carmella over Natayla on the team? Okay pal. His character is so odd, is he trying to be a face? Is he trying to be a heel? A tweener? It would be cool if we started seeing less of Daniel Bryan...I know that would crush wwefootos because he <3s him but it needs to be done in my opinion.

I wish WWE would stop booking AJ to look weak to Ambrose. Please. Although, I loved the finish from this week's Smackdown Live, Ellsworth costing Dean a title shot, awesome.
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I agree mostly with what Sir Shortly said. I mean marketing is marketing, it's always been their. From the mega powers explode to wrestlemania all grown up to the triple main event. It is what it is and I think whosey needs to get over it. But hey if it annoys you what can ya do right? But can we stop acting like its a problem and that only Raw is doing it haha.

The only thing I disagreed with was AJ looking weak. He's the heel. Ambrose is the face. Heel gets beat up by face and heel is scared of face. Wrestling 101. As long as AJ beats Ambrose and keeps the title, then that's all that really matters
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I can agree with that. It's just annoying at times because I dislike Ambrose so much and we all know that AJ is so much better than Ambrose but they make it seem like Ambrose is on the same level as AJ when in reality, he's no where near Styles.
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So, you agree that a Styles/Wyatt feud would be great, and that Bray going over would be good?
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Bray doesn't deserve to go over Styles. Not right now.

With AJ, I think the story is that he's full of arrogance and pride. And he's too hard to boo for audiences, so Ellsworth's involvement with Styles (and Ambrose) helps reinforcing how Styles is a heel.

Ellsworth should target Miz.
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Let's assume that Bray goes over Orton and he's building up a little bit of momentum, then do you see it happening? I was trying to figure out ways to get Bray's career back on track with WWE...
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All I still hear is people saying "yeah Raw was good, but I had it on in the background so I wasn't totally paying attention to it in the first place." Is this so hard to get that if someone actually had to sit down and pay attention to the ENTIRE show then the opinion will be different? As far as I can see, I'm still the only person here that watched the whole thing from beginning to end, and not one person has admitted to sitting through the commercials I'm complaining about and having to see them. Each. And. Every. Time.

I've been doing this more or less as a social experiment because I could have kept all my live thoughts to myself, but I've decided to live review these shows and EVERYTHING about them the last few weeks since watching wrestling has been generally a good way for me to take my mind off other things. Raw is a show that doesn't allow me to associate with it, and I've been very clear about what I like and don't like about the shows, and generally most of the time most are in agreement with me. The other times, all I get is "it wasn't bad because I wasn't paying attention like you were." That isn't the point. The point is, if you WERE paying attention to the entire thing, it is a show that drains the life out of you and there are simple things they can do to make it a cohesive program that they refuse to do for one reason or another. That's all my point is. If you spend an hour and 45 minutes watching a program that had a live run time of 3 hours and 15 minutes, you aren't getting the full effect of what they're doing. This isn't a problem with SmackDown, nor was it ever a problem until a few years ago when they decided telling people to do something or buy something is more important than persuading someone with the quality of product.
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So, you agree that a Styles/Wyatt feud would be great, and that Bray going over would be good?
Well Styles is killing it right now as a heel. And it seems WWE abandoned Brays face turn. So one of them would have to turn face. I think Bray would make a good face. And I think AJ makes a great face. So either way it'd work. To make a long story short, yeah I'd be behind a AJ v Bray feud. Who wouldn't? I think I'd prefer Randy v AJ at Wrestlemania as I think it'd be a great feud and great match.

And I don't think Ambrose is anywhere near as bad as you say he is. It's fine to dislike someone. I mean I hate Cena with a passion. But when I stop and think I realise that hate makes me think he's worse than he actually is. Ambrose is one of the best. His character has hit a stale point in his career, where he went from lunatic to "comedy act". But the dude has great matches and is great on the mic. A lot better than the "perfect" AJ Styles. I just think Ambrose needs to go away for awhile and come back, as the lunatic that he was before. Also he needs to cut some moves from his repertoire. Like kicking himself off the middle rope. He's way too slow to make that move work. And the bounce off the ropes clothesline. Horrible.

As for Ellsworth. I have no interest in seeing him in a serious fued with anyone.

And to reply to Whoseys post. I never said I don't pay attention. I also don't skip segments. I watch the whole show except for commercials and the first 4-5 minutes of the matches. So I don't know where your getting this it's good because I don't pay attention crap. Yes I'd be annoyed if I watched all the commercials. Wouldn't matter the marketing campaign. Wouldn't matter what show its for. I don't wanna see the same commercials over and over again. That's why I skip them. But the show itself, except for this week, is usually good.
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I do pay attention to Raw though. Why is it so hard for people to multitask? I can multitask, it sounds like Cybrus can multitask. And I also said that yes, I do sit through the commercials because I do watch it when it comes on. I don't DVR it nor do I watch it on Hulu. I have to avoid YouTube and the forums on Mondays and Tuesday because I get it later. For me, when Raw or Smackdown is on, it's 5PM and as we all know, the shows don't start until 8PM. So when it does come on, I do sit through all of the commercials, ask my wife. I do pay attention to both shows, but hey, next week, I'll pay attention to both shows 100% and I'll write up a review, segment by segment, so that I can "see" what you're talking about with how shit Raw is apparently. Every segment that airs, I will review, for both Raw and Smackdown, because evidently, that's THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WATCH A TV SHOW. Sorry, I haven't had my afternoon coffee, so I'm a bit cranky. I was up at 3:30AM with my babies, didn't get much sleep. Maybe around 2-3 hours if I'm being generous. I'm going to go find my afternoon coffee so I'll stop being so grumpy.
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Yes more people reviewing RAW and Smacldown each week!!!! I'm all on board for that. The more people that review, the more discussion thato ensues. Like this magnificent discussion. No getting frustrated people. It's just wrestling. Discussion and debate is a good thing (:
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So, you agree that a Styles/Wyatt feud would be great, and that Bray going over would be good?
Well Styles is killing it right now as a heel. And it seems WWE abandoned Brays face turn. So one of them would have to turn face. I think Bray would make a good face. And I think AJ makes a great face. So either way it'd work. To make a long story short, yeah I'd be behind a AJ v Bray feud. Who wouldn't? I think I'd prefer Randy v AJ at Wrestlemania as I think it'd be a great feud and great match.


I think a Randy/AJ feud would be cool to see as well, so hopefully after AJ is done with Dean, one of those two makes some sort of impact to get into the title discussion.

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And I don't think Ambrose is anywhere near as bad as you say he is. It's fine to dislike someone. I mean I hate Cena with a passion. But when I stop and think I realise that hate makes me think he's worse than he actually is. Ambrose is one of the best. His character has hit a stale point in his career, where he went from lunatic to "comedy act". But the dude has great matches and is great on the mic. A lot better than the "perfect" AJ Styles. I just think Ambrose needs to go away for awhile and come back, as the lunatic that he was before. Also he needs to cut some moves from his repertoire. Like kicking himself off the middle rope. He's way too slow to make that move work. And the bounce off the ropes clothesline. Horrible.


I'm not saying AJ is perfect, I'm just saying that Dean isn't anywhere near AJ...though I do admit that AJ can be a bit rough on the mic sometimes. But I just cringe when Dean wrestles. His moveset is very stale. I keep hearing how good of a wrestler he is and that he puts on great matches but...I don't know. Suggest one of his better matches and I'll watch it. He needs to get a better finishing move too.

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As for Ellsworth. I have no interest in seeing him in a serious fued with anyone.


I agree with this, unless he's somehow booked incredibly...no, actually no. Not even then. Please let Ellsworth be done and over with.
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They could always turn Ambrose heel by ending Ellsworth with an incredible beating. A vicious heel Ambrose might freshen things up for his.

As for good matches their is plenty. AJ at Backlash is one of them. Triple threat with Reigns and Brock is another. Is Bray Wyatt feud had a lot of really good matches. I'm sure there is more too. The guys good.
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Let's assume that Bray goes over Orton and he's building up a little bit of momentum, then do you see it happening? I was trying to figure out ways to get Bray's career back on track with WWE...
I'd be fine with Orton/Bray ending soon with Orton taking time off for his soon-to-be-born child and missing Survivor Series. But that feud will most likely be used to get Orton back on track and feud with AJ.

I could see Bray vs AJ as a one-off thing for the Rumble with one of them playing as face briefly.
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I was just trying to think of ways to get Bray over and to help him get the push he needs/deserves.
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the make shift tag team of cesaro and sheamus after their best of 7 series has been largely met with anything from apathy to anger. it is time for smackdown to counter with the dream team people actually want. this team pairing would create hype and crowd reactions that could possibly rival the original n.W.o. or DX. SmackDown, it is time to give us the supreme dream team

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Please stop using tinyurl to upload your images. Use a real website like imgur or something. The images never show up when I'm at work. Tinyurl sucks anyways...lol :(

But even though it wasn't working, I knew who the duo was going to be (I reuploaded it to photobucket)
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SD is live in New Jersey tonight. Is Whosey attending the show live?
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Nope my friend went though and is sitting fourth row facing the hard camera. He said he's right by a "member TNA?" sign so if that comes on TV he would be right around it.

I was in talks of going but because I start my new job tonight we decided the responsible thing was to not have me go...even though he said the same fucking thing when he sat behind the announcers during Extreme Rules. Think he's still trying to get me back for the Raw show I went to in 2009 that Roddy Piper guest-hosted and the Raw last year Jon Stewart was on because I went to both last-minute without telling him. :lol:

I'm planning on going to the MSG house show the day after christmas though.
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I didn't watch tonight's show, but I just read that Curt Hawkins made his re-debut by losing to Dolph Ziggler in less than 10 seconds. What was the point of re-signing this guy if that's the way they're going to be using him? :no:
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why does Becky's belt not bend or move? it is so stiff that it looks like cardboard.
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Because she makes me feel that way? :blank:

Um...er...anyway...as per my friend, he was able to meet Grimm (from the Grimm's Toys YouTube Channel), Mauro Ranallo, AND stole one of the WWE chairs. The latter was funny because they're only collectibles for the first three rows on the floor but he was in row 5 so security literally checks anybody leaving to make sure they're allowed to take them, and he had to go through three exits before security let him out. He did the same thing during Extreme Rules too.

He also met the Usos this weekend, which is something I knew about but cared less since I don't care about them either way. BUT, Becky was 40 minutes south of me on Saturday doing a signing at this comic book/collectibles store and THAT was something I was sad I missed.

The moral of this story is don't do drugs, kids, or else you can actually experience cool shit once in awhile.
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Talking Smack airs immediately after SD each Tuesday and has become something of a smash hit for the Network. well, that is about to change. wwe has announced a new CW show called "205 live" will air immediately after SD and Talking Smack will be moved back an hour to 11pm (ot whatever your timezone permits).

Curious. i think it is safe to say the CW relaunch on Raw has been a complete fail. will 205 Live be stand alone or incorporated into SD somehow. will fans of Talking Smack wait an additional hour or will the numbers slip...or does airtime even matter on a vod service? we will find out starting Nov 29
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Okay so just watched Smackdown and I'm here to grace you all with my review. Seems like alot of you watched RAW this week and not Smackdown. Hmm interesting.

Anyways here we go, we started with James Ellsworth. I can't wait until this Ellsworth thing is over. I like a comedy act as much as anyone. And I like the idea of the pathetic guy fucking things up for the main eventers. I just can't get into this for some reason. Ambrose...I can see why people are turning on him. I still think he's one of the best, but he's not showing it right now.

Orton v Kane- Too short of a match to even rate it. But the storyline I like. It could easily go off the rails and turn out bad. But so far so good. As much as I love heel Orton I think he's probably playing Bray.

Women's tag. Again the match ended just as it started. I did like Alexa Bliss afterwards though. The girl can talk. Not perfect and I'm still not sure on her wrestling, but I'm buying in.

American Alpha v Spirit Squad. Really short match. Not much to say. Same with Usos v Headbangers.

MizTV- I wonder if this is eventually going to lead to Bryan v Miz at Wrestlemania. I mean is has to right? Ziggler squashing Hawkins was good. I don't see the problem with WWE bringing these guys in, giving them a character and jobbing them out. Jobbers deserve screen time and characters too. Jinder Mahal is a jobber. And they should keep doing that. It's like back in the day .

Main Event. Really the only match of the night. The rest of the matches ended so fast. It was a good match. Not as good as some of their others but the ending was good, set up a future and hopefully last title match between the two.

I'd say RAW was a little better this week.

I gotta say I'm excited for the Survivor Series matches. Some pretty cool showdowns can happen. Charlotte and Becky. New Day and a heel Usos team. Bray and Braun. AJ and Seth. Owens and Orton. Cool stuff.
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