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Raw Discussion Thread; Best way to make something permanent is to make it temporary
Topic Started: Oct 5 2015, 11:06 PM (9,492 Views)
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Whoa whoa, okay lets not go crazy. I don't want to get into another debate on womens wrestling, but they should not be main eventing a PPV over the likes of Owens and Rollins.

First ever Womens Hell In A Cell match, that I can get behind. The Womens division is in fact better than its ever been. On RAW anyways. But the reality is they are not good enough to go ahead of the guys who deserve it.
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If WWE scheduled a US Title match to go ahead of the WWE World Title and the WWE Universal Title at SummerSlam this year and had non-title matches headlining some PPVs before, then why not have the Women's Title ahead of the Universal match? I wouldn't mind it happening, and it wouldn't hurt WWE at all to do it -- they have allowed it to happen in NXT, but it also had Finn Bálor not defending the NXT Title in order to do so -- but I doubt they would do it on the main roster.

But who knows, stranger things have happened in WWE before.
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I'm just saying we know it's going to happen at some point. Not at WM, but there will be a PPV where the women main event. It's the biggest sure bet especially with the brand split when you are only going half of WWE's main eventers. Why not do it with a specialty match that you know will make people tune in to see how it goes?
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The U.S Title match didn't main event SummerSlam. And the non title matches that main event PPVs are those deserving of doing so. And Women main eventing a ppv one day isn't as sure a bet as you may think.
Edited by 15 Shows, Sep 29 2016, 09:37 PM.
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For what it is worth, there is a rumor circulating that wwe is flirting with the idea of a women match main eventing. whether it comes true or is just a rumor is anyone's guess
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They'd have to get a women who's skills match up with Charlotte before they would do that :p
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Has anyone before Kevin Owens used the phrase "jumped the shark" towards a wrestler or tag team?
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And Sasha Banks is the new Raw Women's Champion.
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Sep 29 2016, 11:45 PM
For what it is worth, there is a rumor circulating that wwe is flirting with the idea of a women match main eventing. whether it comes true or is just a rumor is anyone's guess


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Sep 30 2016, 02:36 AM
They'd have to get a women who's skills match up with Charlotte before they would do that :p


2 spooky considering the main event.
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sasha banks is the Raw womens champion. becky lynch is the SD womens champ. team b.a.e. has the gold!
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Just finished Raw. Here's my review.

Reigns v Rusev. I really can't complain about this feud at all. The only complaint is how it started but we're past that. They've had really good matches. The feud is heated. Hell In A Cell makes sense to end it. Just for some reason I can't get myself into it.

Zaynn- Good to see him get a win.

Cruiserweights- This was the best Perkins has looked so far. And Richard Swann remains my favorite cruiserweight.

The Club- Ill be honest. I think they suck. And won't be surprised if they only last a year or two before going away.

Braun Strowman- I'm not a fan of his but he has looked good in his squash matches. It'll be telling to see if he can have a 10+ minute match.

Women's segments/Match- So I have some good things to say and some bad. First off the backstage segment with Sasha. Just made me realize how awful she is at talking. I've sugar coated it the last few weeks but man she is horrendous. Her eyes were closed for 75% of her fake sounding speech. The match was alright. Not as good as their other matches. Charlotte carried it which is to be expected. They botched a few more times than they usually do. The ending sequence was great. Crowd was into it. I will say this about Sasha, she is very good at selling.

Universal Title stuff- Liked the Rollins interview. KO saying Michael Cole was horrible was funny as hell. But let's get one thing very clear. Chris Jericho is THE BEST in the entire wrestling business today. I say it every week and every week he continues to prove why. He's hilarious. He can still have a great match. And the best part of Raw was when he hinted at challenging Owens for the title and they stared at eachother. And the crowd burst into a Y2J chant. Amazing moment. He's as over as ever. He's as good as ever. And it seems like the idiots on the Internet don't realize it. NO he's not from NXT. No he's not from ROH. But that doesn't mean he's not the best. Because he is.
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For what it is worth, there is a rumor circulating that wwe is flirting with the idea of a women match main eventing. whether it comes true or is just a rumor is anyone's guess


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Sep 30 2016, 02:36 AM
They'd have to get a women who's skills match up with Charlotte before they would do that :p


2 spooky considering the main event.
I was talking about a ppv
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I don't understand why people are calling the corkscrew moonsault a botch. Charlotte hit it exactly like she was supposed to and Sasha took it exactly like she was too. Sasha isn't catching Charlotte for that, that's the whole point. The move is designed so Charlotte lands on her feet and uses her momentum to fall into Sasha. It's a move done all the time in lucha wrestling because Charlotte can legitimately kill Sasha since she's twice her size and the corkscrew adds a bunch of force. If anything, the only thing that made it look like shit was how the camera switched halfway into the corkscrew so it kinda looked like a regular moonsault that she botched really bad. It's only on the replay you can see how absolutely perfect she made it look.
Edited by WWEFootos48, Oct 4 2016, 10:01 PM.
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i know we all are fans of Jericho, some more vocal than others. but i am reading rumors that he is expected to take another hiatus from wwe after the end of the year. which sucks. i hope he at least hangs around through WM. if he and KO ca remain friends until Rumble, then they can blow up on each other and feud at WM. because lets be honest, KO isnt going to be walking into WM as Universal Champion. but a match with Jericho would be a good WM spot...even if KO does want Lesnar (which he probably wont ever get that match)
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I'm in my "fuck Lesnar" mode right now so I hope it doesn't happen. But as much as I want to see Jericho get a short run as champ or even have some sort of main event feud, I kinda don't want to see a split between he and Owens. It's so rare for a great team to split without animosity (in this case it would only split because Jericho's leaving so he literally won't be there) and this would be awesome if it can go the distance with them still being BFFs.
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Sep 29 2016, 11:45 PM
For what it is worth, there is a rumor circulating that wwe is flirting with the idea of a women match main eventing. whether it comes true or is just a rumor is anyone's guess


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Sep 30 2016, 02:36 AM
They'd have to get a women who's skills match up with Charlotte before they would do that :p


2 spooky considering the main event.
I was talking about a ppv
Oh well. :facepalm:
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Yeah come on me talking about the spirit squad then less than a week later they have a mini-reunion is WAY spookier. :lol:
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I came across a clip for some radio show a few days ago. I don't think it's a wrestling show, but the guy was given a random question about USA possibly canceling Raw due to low ratings as per an Inquisitr article and he gave a very knowledgeable answer refuting it immediately but also claimed the show was unwatchable right now.

His reasoning was not because of the booking, but because of Mick Foley of all things. He said that he finds it impossible to believe Foley any time he opens his mouth on the show and it completely kills it for him. Stephanie, though annoying, is believable. Shane is completely believable. Daniel himself is a good-guy authority figure but when he has to lay down the law he can and make it believable. Foley can't.

I never really thought of it that way because my favorite Foley stuff is his emotional stuff where he's either screaming at someone or being the bad person trying to rationalize why it is what it is, but I went into Raw tonight thinking about it and I think he's completely right. Foley is just not himself anymore. The stuff with Stephanie just isn't good and seems like filler until Triple H comes back and sides with Stephanie to have a feud with Rollins, but even besides that, the way his character makes decisions feels week and contrived like he almost doesn't know what he himself is thinking.

At least with Bryan, though it's weird having a face as a GM, I think his character will openly call bullshit when he sees it and won't be a pushover. Foley tries not to be a pushover but gets pushed over anyway and bitches about it. It's more sad than anything.
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Yeah Foley has performed poorly as GM. Wouldn't say it makes it unwatchable though lol. I mean if Raw is unwatchable than your really not a wrestling fan.
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i have always expected Foley to be a temporary GM. he came in to promote Holy Foley, which apparently hasnt taken off since i havent heard anything else about it. i dont think he will make it a full year as GM

i honestly thought Beth Phoenix returned and attacked Bayley. took me a few seconds to realize it was Dana.

3 HIAC matches seem a bit much, mainly because HIAC really doesnt mean much in PG WWE. They dont use the cage for violence much anymore. there are a few exceptions (such as Shane/Taker), but many HIAC matches feel like normal matches with a cage around it. i hope they make all 3 matches feel different.

sasha's opening promo was good. it wasnt anything more than a classic babyface promo until she was interrupted. i mean she didnt really say anything importsnt and just milked for reaction, but she performed well. didnt care for Rusev interrupting. i wanted to see charlotte and sasha talk.

as i said in the other thread, brock vs goldberg is fine to me. i expect the crowd reaction to be huge. hope the match is different than normal suplex city matches.

they really need to give the CW guys mic time or video packages. people know brian kendrick and tj perkins, but all these other guys are interchangable guys that just do fast paced matches and leave. they need identities if wwe wants them to get over
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Oct 11 2016, 06:13 AM
I mean if Raw is unwatchable than your really not a wrestling fan.
I think he meant in the context that he can't sit down and watch the show for 3 hours; he either waits for the condensed Hulu version or sees the results then fast forwards to whatever interests him (which is counter productive anyway because how can you be surprised by anything?).

As for the CW guys, there's one luchador that's billed from Camden NJ. I actually died laughing. That's like the Mean Street Posse being billed from the Mean Streets of Greenwich hilarious. :lol:
Edited by WWEFootos48, Oct 11 2016, 11:55 AM.
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i read an article about usa cancelling raw due to ratings and rolled my eyes. usa network is the reason the show is 3 hours long, because they like the ratings. even if they are lower than what wwe used to pull in, they are still comparitively high. if usa arent happy with the ratings, i would expect the show to gwt shorter before it just got cancelled
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Probably the same article referenced. Nobody believes it for a second. The only thing that might happen is WWE gets screwed when the new TV deal comes up, but honestly I can't see that happening now considering how well SD is doing. USA is doing extremely well compared to other networks and between that retarded Christley show and WWE they are still the top non-sport channel on cable.
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i have never watch Chrisley's show other than the few minutes on my dvr after Raw ends. is that show a parody of reality shows? i mean, everything about it is fake, right? it is a casted famiky, not a real one?
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There's no good answer for that. I've seen 10 minutes of it once when it either came on before SD or after and it's basically this metrosexual self-made millionaire who has a wife and kids and is a complete douchebag on all levels. I think they're all biologically his as far as I know.

Reality shows don't bother me anymore. When I think of reality shows, I think of what indie music is...Indie bands used to mean unsigned small bands, but now it's a genre relating to a specific type of music type. Reality shows used to mean TV shows literally following real people, but now it's a type of show that means a scripted and fabricated documentary of someone's everyday life.
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I made a RAW review a couple of days ago but I accidently pressed back on my phone and it was gone. I was just going to let it go, but I made a few really good points so I'm gonna take a crack at remembering what happened on RAW and reviewing it properly.

Opening segment. Didn't make much sense to me that Rusev would interrupt Sasha. As for Sashas promo, it certainly wasn't horrible. Wasn't exceptionally good or anything. But I cant hate, cuz she got her point across and said what she had to say. You know what I think it is, I think she has trouble saying some words. She doesn't sound right while shes talking a lot of the times. And her facial expressions while other people are talking are so annoying. Which is fine for a heel but shes not so shes gotta stop those bratty little girl faces. And her and Charlotte teaming up on Rusev made no sense either. Especially considering they were setting up a tag match where Charlotte teams with Rusev. Unless the plan is to turn Charlotte face soon but I doubt it.

Cruiserweight Division- I don't know, I mean I like the storyline between Perkins and Kendrick. Its really good so far and building two of their stars. But the other guys are just kind of their having matches. They gotta get rid of the purple ropes and the logos and all the old masked luchadors nobody can remember.

Chris Jericho. I originally went on a long rant about how you people don't like Chris Jericho enough and how we spend all our time on here talking about the completely average women wrestlers rather than Chris Jericho. I mean I was the only one who put Chris Jericho on my top 5 best wrestlers list. Which is outrageous considering he is easily the best thing about wrestling right now. He is absolute gold every week. The pop he gets when he says "you just made the list" is nuts

Bayley- This match was brutal. And I know I said I'm going to stop bashing the women, but when the moment calls for it I gotta. The internet praises Bayley all the time, yet she hasn't proven me wrong yet. The botches in this match were her botches not the jobbers. It was horrible. I dont see what other people see I guess.

The Club. I like that they attacked Enzo and Cass. Makes for a good secondary tag team feud. I really hope Enzo and Cass go over here. Itd be shame if they pass up on the most over team in the WWE before their act gets old.

Kofi v Cesaro- Good match between 2 good workers. Sheamus was hilarious. I'm sure I had more to say about this but I forget.

HIAC Address- I dont have too much of a problem with 3 Hell In A Cell matches. Its not like they can bring HIAC back to what it was anyways so this works, AS LONG as they make the 3 matches different.

Main Event- Great match. But what else would you expect from this match.

Overall a good RAW
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i have never watch Chrisley's show other than the few minutes on my dvr after Raw ends. is that show a parody of reality shows? i mean, everything about it is fake, right? it is a casted famiky, not a real one?
I read that he was like, $49 million in debt.

Anyways, as for the show, I have to go back and watch the first hour and a half as I missed it...too much driving back and forth from the hospital...
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Chris Jericho. I originally went on a long rant about how you people don't like Chris Jericho enough and how we spend all our time on here talking about the completely average women wrestlers rather than Chris Jericho. I mean I was the only one who put Chris Jericho on my top 5 best wrestlers list. Which is outrageous considering he is easily the best thing about wrestling right now. He is absolute gold every week. The pop he gets when he says "you just made the list" is nuts
Purps and MY both did and when I make my list he'll be on mine too... -_-

My problem with HIAC is not necessarily this PPV cause we can't change that, but the use of the cell outside of it. Okay, we have a PPV about the match, and the entire build is how dangerous and scary it is, then put on matches that have zero to do with the cell itself. But then they also use it outside this show, usually with Undertaker, and they actually ARE legitimate Cell matches. We had one of the craziest spots in history, with Shane jumping off the top, the Undertaker/Lesnar one was insane, and Triple H/Undertaker was the best match they ever had together and used the cell to the best of their abilities.

So the PPV named after the match never has any good "cell moments," yet they still use the gimmick on the outside and 9 times out of 10 it's used for a legitimate purpose and ends up being great. So why the fuck do they still have this event? :lol:
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Taker v Lesnar was at this ppv but I get ur point.

Now tell me what you see in Bayley cuz I feel like I'm blind to it
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Who said they don't like Chris Jericho?
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