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| Raw Discussion Thread; Best way to make something permanent is to make it temporary | |
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| Cybrus | Oct 18 2016, 07:13 AM Post #481 |
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wwe is reporting bayley has a neck/shoulder injury but i am not sure if it is kayfabe or legit. i watched the match a second and third time looking for a spot where she could have gotten hurt. the only thing i noticed was bayley started holding her neck after dana kicked her into the bottom turnbuckle. you can even hear the ref ask her if she is ok there. nothing about that spot looked like it could injure anyone so i am going under the assumption that this is another worked injury posted by wwe. the goldberg hype was strong tonight. showing goldberg clips throughout the night, announcers continuously mentioning to build it as a big thing, having heyman openly admit he expects a yes from goldberg, and saving goldberg to last. and i think they hit a homerun with all of it. the crowd reacted big and it felt like a big raw moment. i am excited to see this happen, but then again i have never been against it. goldberg's "youre last" line should cause a lot of speculation on whether this is 1 and done |
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 18 2016, 11:54 AM Post #482 |
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...ummm, Shows you wanna do this one? I'll be nice this morning because I haven't had my coffee yet. ![]() Also, Charlotte was good like always. Sasha was decent with the "fear" stuff, but she had to do the same shit she always does about calling it a revolution and stuff. Her speaking overall was better than it is in the ring, but talking about it being a revolution doesn't MAKE it a revolution. That's why Occupy Wall Street never did anything. All they did was say it was a mass protest, but nobody actually knew what they were protesting for and it died out. There was even a major leak over the weekend where a fan posted screenshots of a DM they had with Mick Foley on Twitter where Mick admits that at least today they have feuds that are personal which he thinks is better than what it was when it started, where every member was grouped in some sort of team and was boring as fuck. He even said as much, that having four women on TV with personal feuds is way better than 6 or 8 when they're only a team because they're "part of a revolution." Again, not Sasha's fault, but because she's the poster girl for it (even though Becky is just as over and a much better wrestler even though she was #4 of the horsewomen), she's the one constantly spewing those lines and really the only one who worries about the "revolution" and not her feelings about the feud or the match itself. That's one of the biggest things that turns me off to her. Becky is annoyed by Alexa, and worked for years to get where she's at, even though she wasn't "born into it" like Charlotte was. Alexa is small but can whoop your ass and thinks she deserves to be the best. Nikki is a "diva" who has matured and wants to shut Carmella up. Carmella is the newcomer who wants to prove her worth, so she's been trying to take Nikki out with her neck again. Nattie is the veteran who hates everyone cause she's an old angry cat woman. Nia is a monster. Charlotte knows she's the strongest, and is annoyed by Sasha who keeps beating her for some reason and wants to kill her once and for all. Bayley is the vanilla crowd favorite, who sees the nice in people but has no problem whooping ass. Dana wants to prove her worth to her mentor, who is also the biggest one on the female roster, but also wants to make a name for herself for when she eventually pulls away and becomes her own person. Sasha, however, is the one who will be put in a hell in a cell match, a very dangerous thing, and go "well yeah, we're in a revolution so this match is about making history," not the fact that Charlotte injured her, constantly bashed her on TV, and has been a bully to her ever since she's been on the main roster, and that by beating Charlotte without anybody else intruding will make her the top dog which she's been wanting to do since she was a kid. What would have happened if Shawn Michaels would have cut a promo on Undertaker in '97 where he talks about how grateful he is to get the opportunity to wrestle in the first enclosed cage match in WWF history, and that beating Undertaker didn't matter because at least they're making history? That would have made for GREAT TV. Also, I've noticed an issue. This isn't a knock on them at all, but I've noticed this more than once. People like Sasha and Bayley are extremely over, and gets some of the greatest reactions of the night. But when they begin to wrestle, the crowd dies out almost completely until either a high spot or the finish. The same thing happens with the cruiserweights. I wonder how much card placement has to do with it. I also wonder why the eff WWE books the cruiserweights to go on right before the main event where their matches have the chance of being cut down and the crowd, after sitting through a boring show, don't give a shit at all and just want to see the main event. This is the third week I think they're stuck somewhere in the last hour, and not once have they opened the show yet, where they would be guaranteed a better crowd reaction. Edited by WWEFootos48, Oct 18 2016, 12:05 PM.
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| Cybrus | Oct 18 2016, 12:21 PM Post #483 |
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Lets be fair to the talent. you can criticize wrestlers for their delivery, timing, body stature, facial expressions, and anything tjey have control over. But i dont think it is fair to criticize the material they are given when it has been said my multiple sources that promos are heavily scripted and outside of talents control. a few wrestlers have enough pull to go off script, but most do not. sasha gave a typical face promo. her delivery was on point and without flaw. similarly, charlotte gave a typical heel promo and delivered it quite well. and you can be nice because you havent had your coffee all you want, but it doesnt make what i said any less accurate. i covered the oddly abrupt finish. and aside from that, the match was good.
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 18 2016, 06:49 PM Post #484 |
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But what do I an others constantly say? That she's very good as a heel, but terrible as a face. That's Sasha's character, that isn't Sasha as a person and her ability to come up with entertaining stuff. Just like with Cena. I don't think "man he's bland as fuck, but I'm going to watch the shit out of him just because I'm sure if he's given more battle raps he'd be good again." No. I would think "man this guys is boring as fuck right now and says the same shit every week. Can we turn him heel already?" I would be turned off to the person until the change happens. I even said more than once, I know this isn't Sasha's fault, it's WWE's, but it's put on Sasha because she's the face of the entire revolution and her character is suffering because of it. And as for the Bayley thing, that is a HUGE botch. It made Bayley look dumb for not kicking out of an extremely weak pin (not Bayley the person but Bayley the wrestler whose job it was to take that pin), it made Dana look dumb because her ring presence was off, AND in storyline, it gave Dana, an inexperienced heel, a completely clean win over Bayley when she was supposed to use a heel tactic to give her heat and further this. I originally thought Bayley was hurt, but I still haven't seen anything about it and they jumped to the announcers who were prepared for the next segment without any deviation or rushing, so I would assume that build was the end of the match and it wasn't supposed to go on after that. It doesn't matter if that was a woman's match, a men's match, whatever, that was a terrible fucking finish and it would get the same treatment as such whether that was Bayley vs. Dana, or Jericho vs. Orton. When the match was average but not really memorable, but the finish was bad, the only thing anyone will take out of it is the finish. You can't say "oh the match was fine, there were no botches or mess-ups, EXCEPT for the finish where they completely fucked it up." I heard a lot of the same rumblings for the Jericho/Rollins finish. It was a good finish, but the argument was that it looked too rehearsed. The argument is valid because you can see Rollins and Jericho both, at different points, moving or staying in an unnatural way to set the other up for whatever they were going to do next. It was a creative finish and thought it was cool, but I can see why others will go "well it was good, just not believable." And these are two of the more popular guys on the roster, so it doesn't matter who it is, if it's good it's good, if it's not good, it's not good, and the Bayley Dana thing was NOT good. Edited by WWEFootos48, Oct 18 2016, 07:00 PM.
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| Cybrus | Oct 18 2016, 07:24 PM Post #485 |
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i completely agree the finish was odd as hell and have said as much. wwe did follow it up by posting footage of bayley being treated by trainers for her neck/shoulder. i am curious how they follow this up. dana did ram bayley's head into the LED turnbuckle immediately before the pin. if that is how they play it up, then it should be fine. it was just about a month or so ago that sheamus backdropped cesaro into the LED turnbuckle, rolled him in the ring, and suddenly got a surprise submission win. if this is similar, only with the story that dana capitalized on the head ram, then i see no issue. in my opinion, sasha is the best overall female worker on the main roster right now. charlotte is great and i have always had her on my list of females that can stand against almost any male performer on the roster, but i think sasha is better both on the mic and in the ring. you can point to sasha's "bad news" promo from a few weeks back, and i can counter with charlotte's awkward promos with Flair earlier this year. charlotte is finding herself and coming in strides but had an equally rough start. it took charlotte 5 or 6 months as champion before people realized she is as good as she is. they kept sasha off tv for most of wm through summerslam to hold off on this feud. sasha is miscast and is a much better heel, but she will find her footing as a face champion. sasha has more than proven herself in nxt as being a great talent. she has already had muliple great matches on the main roster as well. just her character needs a little work. give it a little time |
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| Sir Shorty | Oct 18 2016, 07:49 PM Post #486 |
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2012 ROYAL RUMBLE WINNER MOTHERFUCKERS!!!
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Comments like this are stupid and annoying. This is a wrestling forum, why would you let someone else try to speak for you? Give us your opinion, we don't fucking care about your morning coffee. Talking about being nice? That made me laugh, oh no we don't want any negative mean comments about women's wrestling from YOU! Glad Cyrus knocked you off your high horse a little and you gave your reasoning about why you disliked it. |
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| 15 Shows | Oct 18 2016, 08:46 PM Post #487 |
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I find it funny how Cyburs calls it "lame claims" just because its something he disagrees with. When I provide examples and reasoning every time. You decided Sasha was the best along time ago and nothings going to change that. Even when she makes her annoying facial expression and bratty eye rolls. I haven't watched RAW yet, but when I do, Ill be open minded and use words other than "good" and "bad" to describe things. But Ill probably talk mostly about Chris Jericho as I'm sure he outshined any Sasha interview or Bayley match lmao. Hey Sir Shorty. Wadup. |
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 18 2016, 09:02 PM Post #488 |
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It's not stupid and annoying, it's smart. It's about working smarter, not working harder, and letting other people fight your battles when you know they will generally have the same opinion. Do you think Triple H got to the top by doing all the work himself? Hell no, he always had people next to him to fight his battles for him to come in at the end and take all the glory! So fine. Cybrus is a st-u-u-u-uuuuupid idiot after the fact because I already gave my side and it was a dead issue, and I decided I'd rather go on a Divas Revolution rant rather than explain why saying something wasn't a botch when it really was was so apparently wrong. There. Jeez.
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| 15 Shows | Oct 18 2016, 09:56 PM Post #489 |
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Cybrus has ignored womens botches for too long for me to believe hes going to notice them now. Like I said, his opinion was made up along time ago. Its not going to change no matter whats in front of his face. But is that really a bad thing? I mean he likes them. That's good that he likes them. Its good to like things. So all the power to him. I'm still happy to debate. I'm still going to point things out and voice my opinion. It just is what it is. |
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 18 2016, 10:01 PM Post #490 |
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Yes, enjoying the shows for what they are is a great thing. Last night I simply couldn't do it. It was ultimately worth it for the Goldberg part, but most of it was just so stupid I couldn't even take a second to disassociate fact from fiction. Whereas I'm looking forward to watching SD every week and make sure my schedule is cleared (the first time I've put any sort of commitment weekly to a show since 2011), I can't stomach Raw. There's so much extra fat on the show between matches and the characters themselves that I can't understand how anybody who works in productions thinks half the show is a good idea. I get if they try something and it falls flat, because it happens, but they aren't even trying. Sasha vs. Charlotte isn't something that can sell itself like Rock and Austin or even Trish vs. Lita, because most of their feud post-SS has been so 50/50 and filled with random shit that even I can't follow what they're trying to go for. Like why is Sasha calling for the HIAC match when SHE was the one that beat Charlotte in the main event of raw for the title? Shouldn't Charlotte be so blind with rage from losing to that little girl that calls her the boss that she wants to decimate her and everything she is? I can't get behind that, I'm sorry. It's so easy to come up for a real reason that isn't "hey we're WWE and we want to make national headlines" yet make headlines while doing it since Fox Sports and ESPN are already up WWE's ass, so why can't they just do it? So subject change: how fucking amazing was Goldberg? I was extremely open in how much I didn't care, but by the time his sparks on the stage began flying I already considered it one of the best moments of 2016. Edited by WWEFootos48, Oct 18 2016, 10:11 PM.
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| Cybrus | Oct 19 2016, 02:30 AM Post #491 |
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other than the one thing you pointed out is literally the exact same thing i pointed out and commented on and you selectively edited out when you quoted me..sure. ![]()
No, you dont. not even a little bit. not one example, ever. you give generalized opinion comments and somehow think that is evidence. ![]()
that isnt how you spell my name, but sure. also, i find it funny how every single week, every single show, the most talked about subject is the diva matches. Goldberg's big return, the impending JeriKO split, all these big moments and the most talked about thing is something i've commented on and have to be proven wrong about.
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 19 2016, 02:40 AM Post #492 |
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Because you called it a perfectly good match with no botches, except for that "weird ending"...which was a botch. Let's not argue over semantics, but that was a botch. I's fine where in the moment and seeing the aftermath it could have either been played as an injury and the match was called to compensate, but everything points to it being a mess up by either Dana or Bayley, and that's the only thing that will be remembered, not that it was a good match. I did the same thing you did and looked closer at it and the match itself was fine, and we are in agreement, but that stuck out like a sore thumb and I don't think they should be excused for that. That's all that was. No need for anyone to make more of it than it was, especially when I've been one of the few defending Bayley on here and my main beef right now is with Sasha.
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| Cybrus | Oct 19 2016, 03:07 AM Post #493 |
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wait a second, lets examine this a little closer. every single week, i see comments about how there are "multiple" botches in "every single" diva match or how Bayley has "weak and unbelievable offense". so i paid closer attention this week, even watched the match 3 times. the match was fine. there were no botches in the match and bayley's offense looked just fine, like usual. which you just said you agreed on. the ending was weird and was either a case of dana missing the ropes (which i pointed out) or another case of them using the LED turnposts to end a match (which i also pointed out). which, again, you clearly agree with. so, basically, we are both saying the EXACT same thing. we both agree the match itself was fine and we are both saying the ending was abrupt and a little off. so what exactly are you attempting to debate with me here? |
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| 15 Shows | Oct 19 2016, 03:07 AM Post #494 |
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Oh their goes Cyburs and his emoticons, thinking they validate what he's saying. Yes I do provide examples and reasoning every single week. You know this. The reason we keep talking about this every week is because its something we disagree on and makes for fun debating. But don't worry, once I watch RAW tonight, you'll get a good amount of Chris Jericho love as I do every week. I cover just about everything every week my man. And who knows, maybe youre right and Bayley and Dana had a perfect match........BAHAHAHAHAAHAHA |
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 19 2016, 03:35 AM Post #495 |
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I explained exactly what my reasoning was in the last post, including the lines, "let's not argue over semantics" and "No need for anyone to make more of it than it was." I'm literally saying the debate has been over with and was explaining why I said what I said and why I challenged your viewpoint originally before we ended up realizing it was practically the same explanation just with different wording.
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| Cybrus | Oct 19 2016, 03:50 AM Post #496 |
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Firstly, lets clearly establish the difference between an "example and reasoning" and something that is an "over stressed opinion". an example or evidence is pointing out an exact moment so people can go back and see for themselves exactly what you are talking about. this would be someone saying something like "triple h stalling for 15 or 30 seconds after delivering a pedigree to booker t and still getting a clean win really hurt booker t's momentum at WM that year" whereas a generalized opinion would be "man, triple h really made booker t look bad at wm". see the difference? one being actions we can actually talk about and discuss and the other being just something someone thinks without explaining why. Now, using the search feature, lets filter out just the 15 Shows comments and look at this evidence you post every single week. shall we?
what looks weak? is it her punching? her kicking? do her power moves not look like would knock anyone down? do her submission moves look like they wouldnt hurt? what exactly should i be paying attention to?
what was a botch? i dont need play by play commentary, but a simple "name botched move" would be enough for someone to go back nd review or comment on.
Problems saying words? are you saying you sometimes dont understand her because she is latina and has an accent or you saying she mumbles? that just butchers her lines? give a specific moment where she stumbled and you didnt understand what she was saying. because literally no one else has said this about sasha.
again, point out a few things that you think was botched. something people can comment on specifically
more sweeping generalization
bravo on the examples and evidence! good thing you dont just generalize your opinion and claim thats evidence!! ![]() and for the record, yes, i do realize that i too make generalized statements such as saying someone is "damn good" and not actually giving examples. but 2 very important things to consider: 1. you are the one that falsely claims to provide examples, reasons, and evidence...not me. and 2. as i have bluntly expressed: i am not interest in debating with you because it always goes "haha you posted an opinion that i disagree with. i am posting my opinion as well but claiming i am backing them up with just more of my opinions...i am truly the greatest thing ever. hahahahhaha"
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| 15 Shows | Oct 19 2016, 04:28 AM Post #497 |
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But you are debating with me. And bravo on that. You have now taught me that I need to tell you which moves were botched. See at the time, I wasn't aware you didn't pay attention. I mean saying the matches were good every week should have told me you weren't watching, but I didn't know. I thought we were watching the same match. So when I would say a specific match was horrendous, like Bayleys match last week was, I assume we watched the same match. I assumed you saw the botches. The blatant sunset flip botch, and a couple others I don't remember. And its not just botches either. Its poorly executed movers that take place in most womens matches. But as you pointed out, your not watching them. So I do apoligize that I claimed you ignored it, when in reality you weren't ignoring, you just weren't watching. Youd see bits and pieces of a match and claim Sasha is gold. It all makes sense. |
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| MY85 | Oct 19 2016, 04:30 AM Post #498 |
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To Shorty: Well, at some point, Braun has to go against bigger fish. Sami has to be sacrificed in the process. ![]() I would prefer if Lesnar vs Goldberg happened at WM. It seems like it'll happen soon at SS considering the advertising of WWE 2K17, which has Goldberg in it, but I think it'll be better suited outside of Canada. I mean, I enjoyed the Goldberg return for what it is, but I don't think the country that gave birth to Bret Hart will embrace Goldberg... unless he turns heel (although it seems obvious that Heyman/Lesnar are the heels). Edited by MY85, Oct 19 2016, 04:30 AM.
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| Cybrus | Oct 19 2016, 04:38 AM Post #499 |
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me: i text and use my tablet when i watch tv, so i am not miticulously watching and scrutinizing every single second of the show, but i am paying attention and watching. you: see! you just admitted youre not even watching. ![]() i honestly do not enjoy interacting with you. it just isnt fun or plesant. so this will be the very last time i interact with you at all. if i need to comment as an administrator (such as your *ahem* dedication to reviving swf), then i will. but otherwise, i am going to act like you dont exist. have a nice day |
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 19 2016, 11:55 AM Post #500 |
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"FIGHT FOREVER!" *clap clap clap clap clap* "FIGHT FOREVER!" *clap clap clap clap clap*
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| MY85 | Oct 19 2016, 03:14 PM Post #501 |
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You want them to die? So be it.
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| 15 Shows | Oct 19 2016, 03:41 PM Post #502 |
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Someone really hates being wrong. |
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| Sir Shorty | Oct 19 2016, 08:51 PM Post #503 |
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More like, someone hates repeating himself over and over again, giving examples and explanations that just get brushed off. |
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| 15 Shows | Oct 19 2016, 10:44 PM Post #504 |
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Okay their Cyburs backup account |
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| Sir Shorty | Oct 19 2016, 11:34 PM Post #505 |
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Yup, you totally got me pal. Good job. |
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| 15 Shows | Oct 20 2016, 01:05 PM Post #506 |
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Thank you. Did you enjoy RAW this week? |
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 25 2016, 12:08 AM Post #507 |
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NOOOOO NOT THE LIST!!!! ![]() Also, this might be the best HD production moment, that close-up to Jericho's red eyes. SETH WITH THE BON JOVI JOKE! ![]() Seth feels like a major weak link in this feud. But if he does win Sunday, who would he feud with? I feel like Jericho and Owens would fight one another naturally, so who else would be in the main event picture? Also kayfabe, Triple H cost Rollins the title because he didn't think he was fit to be champion, yet Owens was. Since Owens became champion, ratings tanked to a near all-time low and morale doesn't seem high (kayfabe that is) in the locker room. Would Triple H address that and maybe change his mind on Owens? If I was Anderson and Gallows I would murder AJ Styles. I feel like they came to WWE because of him and they've been so fucked over it isn't even funny. I LOVED that crowd sing-a-long though. Enzo and Cass are the modern day New Age Outlaws, except better because Enzo is only from a few miles away from me. So they're actually running with this "triple main event" thing. To paraphrase an old saying, everything being a main event means there are no main events. Love the Rusev promo. He's quickly becoming my favorite on Raw. I'm still not a huge fan of Cesaro or Sheamus, both as a team and individually. I just find them boring. That's personal preference, of course, because they're both good; I just don't find them that entertaining. Anyone else realize that this Goldberg/Lesnar match could just be a segment building to an Up Up Down Down segment where they play each other? Did they ever confirm it was an actual wrestling match? Goldberg's segment was amazing last week...we don't need clips from the game spliced in to show that, or a WWE 2k17 title card whenever Goldberg shows up. Jericho is so great. I love how he gave Titus, Primo and Epico, and Mahal responses instead of flat-out burying them, especially when he complimented Titus' scarf. ![]() Oh god, here's where 6SW implodes again. But Bayley becoming Cesaro lolol This is so effing stupid. Like REALLY effing stupid. That crowd died so quick. Okay, I realize what I like so much about the Jericho/Owens/Rollins love triangle. Most weeks, one of this combination starts the show, and is also generally in the main events, barring the women's title match. What I really like are stories that evolve through the show, and this one is great...there's a booked main event, but one of the wrestlers is boycotting it until he gets what he wants, so through the show there is a cause/effect towards it. Bo getting no reaction. I think his character would be amazing if it turned out he's going through some sort of drug withdrawal and that's why he's acting out the way he is. Roman said the feud wasn't personal...um you fucking attacked the guy during his honeymoon then interrupted him during his family speech. I would say you kinda made it personal... Someone with their back to the hard camera is wearing a Zach Parise jersey. They can go fuck themselves. Jesus Christ shoot me. The beginning of this promo is even worse than I could have imagined. Foley fucked it up but he will be the only one that can save it. OMFG I MISSED THIS FOLEY SO MUCH. YES. Besides Charlotte screaming for no fucking reason and Sasha smiling with neither Foley or Charlotte calling her out on it, oh and Foley using Eddie Guerrero's name to put Sasha over they did address my biggest issue with the feud and at least made it into this personal thing again. Charlotte calling Sasha second rate and being the only one to bring value to the title was great. And as much as I bitch about Foley as GM, when he's on, he is one of the best promo guys in the company still. Why am I still watching this? Watching Raw has felt like a chore since I started doing it again and bitching about the shows somehow isn't even fun anymore. WHAT THE FUCK even Heyman fell apart and had a shitty promo. I get what he was going for, but trying to get Brock a heel reaction isn't going to happen and it ended on such a stupid note with half of the crowd chanting "Goldberg sucks." And Brock corpsing made it even worse, no matter how funny that was. You know it's bad when even Lesnar can't stay in character. I'm almost completely convinced Heyman said "fuck it" and cut the segment short. On a show that had that really awkward Perkins/Kendrick backstage segment, the really awkward contract signing where Sasha was all smiling, Charlotte couldn't control the volume of her voice like she was Ron Burgandy and Mick Foley was the only one who seemed to care, and Anderson and Gallows did nothing to help their cause, it was the Paul Heyman segment that came out looking cringiest. I never thought I'd see the day. Awesome brawl at the end. But fuck everything else on this show. Edited by WWEFootos48, Oct 25 2016, 03:19 AM.
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| MY85 | Oct 25 2016, 05:17 AM Post #508 |
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Speaking of Lesnar and Goldberg, they should turn Goldberg heel instead. Survivor Series is in Canada, I doubt they have forgiven him for ending Bret Hart's career. |
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| 15 Shows | Oct 25 2016, 07:19 AM Post #509 |
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Thankyou Whosey for actually posting a review on RAW. That is how its done. Didn't agree with everything you said but that doesn't matter because a forum is for discussion. And discuss we shall. I wont be like other butt hurt hillbillys and stop talking to you because you said you find Sheamus boring. Anyways here we go. First off I couldn't review last weeks RAW or Smackdown because my girlfriends parents were getting a new floor put in and I guess the PVR got unhooked so I missed most of RAW and all of Smackdown. I did see Goldbergs promo though which was awesome. Which surprised me because I remember he sucked at promos. Now usually I'm the first to defend RAW. Because as much as Whosey says RAW sucks, it hasn't been bad at all. In fact the quality of RAW and Smackdown have both been good since the brand split. Sure Smackdown is usually better but its by a small margin. But tonights RAW, aside from the main event stuff, was not very good. Everyone was off tonight besides Jericho, Rollins and Owens. I loved the no mic promo thing Enzo and Cass did. Was great. Enzo picking up a win was good too. As for Gallows and Anderson. I know people like to blame WWE for ruining guys sometimes, but I rarely take that cheap rout. The fact is, Gallows and Anderson are not that great. Even if they went with the kicking ass team that they should have been, it still would be short lived. From the moment these guys debuted I said they have an expiration date. There just bland. I do think the WWE wll try a little longer with them and probably have them beat Enzo and Cass. But I really hope they don't. Nothing really to write home about with the Rusev and Reigns promos. I don't get some of the booking that took place tonight. Even though it was guys I wanted to win, they had no business winning. Like Rich Swann. Hes my favorite cruiserweight. But why is he beating the 1#contender?? And why are Sheamus and Cesaro facing New Day just to have the exact same match on Sunday. I mean at least put Woods in their so its a little different. Bayley and Dana. Even though the crowd hated this. I thought it was a decent way to build this fued I don't care about. Back to the cruiserweights for a second. Even though I didn't like Kendrick losing, I liked the backstage segment. I usually hate backstage segements like this but this one was executed great. Both guys were believable and you couldn't tell they were remembering lines or acting like when Sasha talks. Also I don't think Ive ever seen a guy ask his opponent to let him win before haha. Makes things a little interesting and actually has me interested in the title match at the PPV. Braun Strowman and Sami Zaynn was one of the few good parts to RAW. Even though it was short. It got the people I was watching RAW with excited. Contract signing. This was pretty bad. Foley was bad to start but Charlotte and Sasha started off pretty well. Sasha didn't have her eyes closed while talking like she usually does and Charlotte was nailing it. But then Foley picked his game up, and it was clear the girls were just not on that level. They could not take it to the emotional level that Foley was trying to take that thing. The girls tried going in a different direction then he was and it came off messy. Not as messy as Paul Heyman. The best talker in the business had an off night. Yeah trying to get a heel reaction from Lesnars hometown just didn't work. Owell, they get a pass. Main event. Thank god we got a good dose of Chris Jericho throughout the night. This guy is absolutely the best in the world right now. Actually the 3 of them are. Chris can turn what would usually be a terrible segment and make it watchable. I really don't think there is another guy in the company that can do that right now. The story with the list was great. Jerichos sadness at the start was great. I mean even though RAW had so much bad this week, it was worth it to watch just to see this legend at the top of his game. The triple threat match was also really good. For a match that was basically a handicap match, it was good. And the ending caught me by surprise. Also I like when they do brawls like that for feuds that deserve it. This one does. I don't how to predict Hell In A Cell though. I really want Charlotte to win because I'm not a fan of Sasha, I think shes highly overrated and Charlotte is in a league of her own. But its in Sashas hometown. Sasha just won the title. And they don't need a title change because there already "making history". There is just too much working against me here. The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that the 3 Hell In A Cell matches are all title matches. They cant have the champion retain in all 3 can they? And I doubt Owens or Rusev are gonna win. Rollins aint winning because it would defeat the purpose of the Triple H turn. Rollins cant win the title until Triple H returns and explains what he did. Which should have happened along time ago. Rusev aint going to win. So.....maybe?....Just maybe??? |
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| WWEFootos48 | Oct 25 2016, 12:06 PM Post #510 |
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If I had to go out on a limb, after thinking about it, I think the promo was generally supposed to end where it did, but the way Heyman started off and when he said "chanting Goldberg makes Lesnar unhappy," I feel like they were going to build to the crowd doing the loud-ass Goldberg chant and Heyman and Lesnar walking off anyway because the fans weren't cooperating and Lesnar was getting angry at the chants. But the crowd didn't cooperate anyway, and Heyman couldn't do anything to ad-lib and save it because the entire promo was centered around crowd reaction in the first place. Really stupid by WWE to try that, but I 100 percent don't think that was Heyman's fault at all. Still, seeing Lesnar breaking character and laughing because the crowd wouldn't respond to Heyman in the right way at all was awesome. ![]()
It made me mad because I thought the content was good. It started off bad, but they ended up making it about their feud and how crazy it will be instead of making it into the last circlejerk of it being "history" and that's vocally been my biggest issue with the feud. But Charlotte would go from screaming to "oh sweetie you don't know who you're dealing with" to screaming at Foley for no damn reason to whispering and it made zero sense in context, and then half the time it sounded like she was trying to use her dad's pattern of speaking which sounded so bad coming from her. Sasha wasn't terrible, and I kind of like that both Foley and Charlotte jumped on her to try to take it more seriously. Foley stole this shit though. I didn't like it when he made the personal effects again ("I met you in a playhouse in 1991"/"You are a part of Eddie Guerrero's legacy") but that's a Foley thing he ALWAYS does now so it isn't out of the ordinary. I 100 percent agree though, and I've seen online where people are saying Foley was only putting himself over, but I feel the opposite; I feel like he was trying to get it through their heads what was going on and what they would be involved in, and it was Charlotte and Sasha who weren't necessarily stepping up. They did to an extent, but it was coming off like one of those after school plays taped for the paid programming channel where the kids start screaming out their lines in order to be heard but then smile or wink at the camera after each sentence. It was so odd. ![]() It was like that episode of TNA years ago where Mike Tenay was talking about a segment that just happened and what was coming up and for no reason Don West blurted out "why don't you kiss his ass while you're at it" and did this long-ass promo on how Tenay was an asshole for not defending him and ended up leaving the announcer's table for good. There was no provocation for his screaming or heel turn whatsoever, and that's what Charlotte's screaming at Foley reminded me of.
Edited by WWEFootos48, Oct 25 2016, 12:11 PM.
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