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Raw Discussion Thread; Best way to make something permanent is to make it temporary
Topic Started: Oct 5 2015, 11:06 PM (9,486 Views)
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The latest rumor for AJ Styles' opponent at WM is Shane McMahon. If that ends up being true, that's a shame. :td: It would be easy to set up, and it would be a big match, but Styles deserves better than facing McMahon.

A few days ago, Shane McMahon was rumored to compete at WM. If Shane has tl wrestle at WM, I'd prefer him going against Ziggler or Ambrose.

As for the final match, I think it'll be the Universal Title match if Roman goes as champion. Not what I'd like to see, but it's what I expect.
Edited by MY85, Jan 15 2017, 08:45 AM.
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I don't think the Universal Title will main event.

Don't see why it's a shame for AJ to face Shane. It's a bigger match than AJ v Samoa Joe.
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I would take AJ/Shane over AJ/Joe and I'm sure it would probably be an excellent match, but it also seems so out of place. The reason why, though execution wasn't that great, Undertaker vs. Shane worked last year was because it was two part-timers who were used as headlining feud because they had no other filler with all the injuries. Putting AJ and Shane together this year would almost feel like they're doing the same thing when they don't have to. That could be a match for any other PPV and be awesome and they can have fun with it, but not for WM.

But it's also like the Rock/Hogan, Austin/Hall situation. Austin absolutely deserved a bigger match and bigger spot than Hall, and he and Hogan would have been tremendous, but Rock vs. Hogan was the right choice and stole the show. AJ should be higher, but I can see why one would argue that they NEED to do Cena/Undertaker at the expense of having Styles lower on the card because Undertaker and Cena would steal the show.

But okay, say that happens. How does it happen? Cena beats Styles then Undertaker wins the Royal Rumble and fights for the WWE Championship?
Edited by WWEFootos48, Jan 15 2017, 02:06 PM.
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what storyline reason is there for shane vs aj? i dont remember there being any tension between the two since the brand split
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Yes thats how it would happen Whosey. Cena wins at the Rumble. Taker wins the Rumble. Cena v Taker.

As for AJ v Shane. I'm not saying it's a great choice. But it's a bit silly to think the match shouldn't happen because there hasn't been tension between them yet. It's January. WrestleMania is months away. The only need a month to hype it
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What an ending.

I think Goldberg concussed himself :lol:
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Fun fact: the room Goldberg came out of was the same one CM Punk had the convo with Triple H and Vince McMahon before walking out. Maybe it's cursed?
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RAW was good this week. The Seth Sami match was fire. Crowd went nuts for Trips theme. Dude will always be over. And the ending got us all pumped for the Royal Rumble. I know the Internet likes to shit on the part timers, but at the end of the day, they bring something to the table that guys you see every week just don't have. I'll always be in favor of part timers.
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I can't even argue that because they're the pieces as to why this build has been so good. I don't think any build for a Rumble has been as exciting or unpredictable as maybe the one in 2010 where the big angle was Michaels trying to win and get to 'Taker, or maybe 2004 since the brand split was maybe the best around then and had great angles coming from both shows.
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I thought Raw was pretty good. Some weird matches, too many mixed tag team matches that don't really make too much sense but were fine. The crowd going crazy for Triple H even caught my wife's attention, she's like "Who's coming out to get a reaction like this?".

The ending was pretty cool. Undertaker appearing out of nowhere in the span of 2.786 seconds was pretty tight. The big triple stare down was great.
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What an ending.

I think Goldberg concussed himself :lol:
Crazy how his returm promo was probably the best of his career and this one was sooooo bad it was an automatic re-watch just to re-live the glory! :lol:
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Samoa Joe finally debuts, attacking Rollins without Triple H laying his hands on Seth.

Seth vs Joe at Fastlane?
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I thought RAW was spectacular this week. Would have been even better in 2.5 hours though.
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Only posted as a spoiler because it does technically contain future storyline info, but update on Rollins' status:

Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by WWEFootos48, Feb 7 2017, 07:48 PM.
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Preferred?? Really?? I mean if Rollins was hurt, I would prefer one of those over Trips not wrestling or facing Batista. But Trips vs Rollins has potential to be a great match. I'm sure Trips vs Joe would be alright. But I mean come on, this has to happen
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I mean all three are and can be great matches, but I realized Shane vs. Triple H is a match I never thought about but would love because of how they supposedly dislike one another in real life and would murder each other. Joe and Trips have styles that would complement one another. Rollins and Triple H will be just as great, but those two matches would potentially be awesome as well and all would have decent to very good build because there would be exciting stories attached.
Edited by WWEFootos48, Feb 10 2017, 05:52 PM.
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So we agree, after spending more time in a WWE ring than anyone wrestler in the history of the company, Triple H is still great, still relevant and still The King Of Kings. I'm glad we all can finally agree. The 17 year old 15 Shows of 2006 can rest in his grave peacefully.
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Well at this point I would take 3 Triple H matches on the current WM card over any of the other part-timers currently booked, so...
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Fuck Kevin Owens, that scummy douchebag who used one of the greatest of all time to keep the title around his shoulder. He's nothing but a crybaby and a party pooper who had everything handed to him between Triple H literally knocking his opponent out to win the title and using Jericho to beat all his opponents. He wouldn't be relevant at all without Jericho. Lesnar, Goldberg, and REIGNS would be headlining all the shows and not him. And he thanks Jericho by embarrassing him on live television after he poured his heart out talking about how much he loved working and being with him?

Fuck him.

But seriously, that was some really great TV. I'm trying to think of some better moment WWE has done recently of this magnitude, and I can only think of Rollins turning on the Shield members, but even then, I wasn't as emotionally invested in those three than I was this.

Also, Bayley winning the title was awesome. It's another time where the women actually put on a great match to main event a show but...like why?!

It's like the old Triple H adage to Charlotte, but where Charlotte doesn't come to work on Mondays. Maybe she should get drafted to SmackDown she'd have a better shot at winning a TV match. But in reality, I think this sets up a great Sasha/Bayley story which would be the only way a non-Charlotte match could get a higher booking on a PPV or WrestleMania. But I don't know, Charlotte probably wins it back at Fastlane and retains at WrestleMania because LOLCHARLOTTEWINSONPPV.

Should have happened at WrestleMania though. I don't understand how they waste all these moments for venues not like that. Even Charlotte winning last year to many killed what was a fantastic build because it was like "oh...so these guys aren't getting their moment. Got it."
Edited by WWEFootos48, Feb 14 2017, 08:18 PM.
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They could have saved Baley winning the title. They should have ended Raw with that amazing Owens Jericho segment. That's that moment you remember for along time in a build to a match. Owens v Jericho to close the show!!!!

Charlotte vs Baley was good. A lot better than there Rumble match. Dunno if I'd use the term great so loosely, but definitely good. I'm not a huge Baley fan, add the fact that all I was thinking about is the heartbreaking look on Jerichos face as he put together what was happening, it resulted in me not feeling like it was that big of a moment. Oh Charlotte lost the title on Raw. Where have I seen this before.

There gonna do the 4 way at Mania. Guaranteed
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Yeah, I get why they put on the Women's title match last since it there was a title change, but I would have liked for the KO/Y2J segment to have closed the show.

Sami winning against Handsome Rusev clean was a shock, though they have to make Sami look strong now that he's headed into a feud with Samoa Joe.
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I think the title change was appropriate where it was ONLY because they did the same thing at WrestleMania 30...Undertaker losing killed the crowd because it was a surprising moment and was completely overwhelming, but then Bryan winning the belt at the end was a feel-good moment to end on a high note. The Jericho/Owens thing at the end would have just left viewers with a down ending. I don't mind where the segment was on the show, but I kinda wish they played it up a bit more at least with the announcers and whatnot about how big that moment was.

But if it was the last segment, I think a beatdown on Jericho with the announcers completely silent and the last picture being Owens standing over Jericho with the championship would have been incredible.

My only complaint, and I don't think it's nitpicking, is I'm not sure if WWE can truly have a main event women's match that doesn't involve a title change now. I feel like the only times women main evented on Raw (hell, even in the example I gave in another thread about a Raw show in 2000 where Stephanie and Lita main evented) the title changed hands.

Would a women's match be worthy as a main event if a title wasn't on the line? I think Alexa and Becky closed the show in that cage match but the title didn't change hands. Otherwise, would people stay and watch for a women's match at the end if something big wasn't on the line at the least?
Edited by WWEFootos48, Feb 15 2017, 01:40 PM.
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I was thinking...are they going to have Charlotte top her father's record? With how often the title has bounced around with Charlotte winning it in the end...it might be a possibility thinking about it. Or at least tie it.
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It's the running joke that she's going to tie it by next WrestleMania and in reality, she's on pace to possibly tie it at WM 34 if this routine continues...

But in all actuality, I think it's more to give the nod to other women while at the same time keeping her PPV winning streak going. They've been promoting the shit out of her winning every PPV she's been on or whatever it is, even more than they promoted Cena tying Flair. So they'll let the other women have their "moment" in the main events of TV tapings to give them their heat and make them seem like legitimate contenders, then give Charlotte her monthly moment and continued streak.

It's also why Bayley winning was surprising, because many believed Charlotte's PPV streak was going to be built to the max so Bayley can get that huge win over her at WM to break the streak and get her career-defining win.
Edited by WWEFootos48, Feb 15 2017, 06:19 PM.
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Once she wins the belt again, I think Charlotte ties Mickie's WWE title wins IIRC.

I remember when Big E joked about Charlotte on Raw. It was funny as hell.
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I was thinking...are they going to have Charlotte top her father's record? With how often the title has bounced around with Charlotte winning it in the end...it might be a possibility thinking about it. Or at least tie it.
They're absolutely doing that.
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I actually like them building up Braun as a monster on Raw, not even fearing the likes of Goldberg.

I kinda hope they'll give up Charlotte's PPV streak, they're telegraphing the title changes now.
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Not a bad Raw, though how can so little happen in 3 hours.

I didn't mind the main event, crowd was into it, which was good. The show ended with Braun looking stronk, which is good.

Mick might actually be on his way out, wonder who will replace him as GM.

New Day hosting WM, okay sure.

They're really starting to tip the scale with Enzo, more and more he's looking like a chicken shit heel.

Now, what I have a problem with is WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU HAVE YOUR TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS LOOK LIKE COMPLETE COCKS AGAINST ONE FUCKING MAN. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ROMAN REIGNS, IT'S TWO ON ONE DAMNIT. NO ONE CARES AB0UT THE SUPERMAN ANYMORE, WE WANT A STRUGGLE, WE WANT OUR HEROES TO LOOK MORTAL.
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An alright go home show. Surprised Goldberg didn't close out the show.
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Chicago was not having any of Goldberg.

I thought Braun backing down from the Undertaker was a sign of respect.
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