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Raw Discussion Thread; Best way to make something permanent is to make it temporary
Topic Started: Oct 5 2015, 11:06 PM (9,501 Views)
Cybrus
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roman reigns has been heel since he said the line "i'm not a bad guy. i'm not a good guy. i'm THE guy". that was the moment of his heel turn. he doesnt care if you boo or cheer him because he thinks he is the man. that coupled with his first challenger being super face AJ Styles and Reigns condensendingly patting him on the arm, smirking, and wishing him luck. he is a heel. tell me, what is one face thing he has done since winning the title?
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But by using that logic, Cena has been a heel for the last decade, even more so within the last year for even singing along with fans who sang "John Cena sucks." He constantly tells people he does what he does and he doesn't care whether he is cheered or booed because he is what he is.
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Cybrus
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cena has no heel mannerisms or facial expressions, Roman does. that is a sneer on his face, not a smile. and cena will always be an example that breaks contemporary rules. the point is that Roman is a heel. if you dont want to accept it right now, wait until he cheats or lowblows or something during his match with AJ in a few weeks :shrug:
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It's funny how you're literally making it seem like your opinion is the one that matters when it comes to Roman being face, heel, or a tweener. You're the only one that has this opinion whereas everyone else who has posted on the topic has said that he's a tweener. It's a matter of opinion, you can't just state that YOUR opinion is the only right opinion. I've agreed with both parties on certain points, but to me, just a casual wrasslin' fan who only watches the PPVs, I'd say he is a tweener.
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Cybrus
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yes, i think the opinion i am expressing is right. this is why i am expressing it. contradictory, whosey most likely thinks his opinion is correct and that i am wrong. these are how conversations work. we state our contradicting opinions and give examples that we feel support our opinion. :tu:
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Sir Shorty
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I get how a conversation works, but you're making it seem like yours is the only one that matters and that you're right and they're wrong. With comments like
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if you dont want to accept it right now, wait until he cheats or lowblows or something during his match with AJ in a few weeks"

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just wait, in 4 months when Seth is back and is the face challening Roman at SummerSlam, you'll all be thinking "damn.....cybrus was right".


They just sound very douchey and making it seem like your the one that determines that, is all I'm saying. :)
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Cybrus has been a douche since the beginning. Arguing and attempting to belittle the members of his forum. The difference is it's not 2006 anymore and we're not all teenagers like we used to be. Everyone's grown up and he's lost all his members. His opinion is of no more value than yours so don't sweat it. Moving on.

The term tweener was created for someone who walks the line of face and heel. Roman was face but the crowd hates him. So he's in a tweener position at the moment. May he turn heel sometime soon? Possibly. Was him saying I'm THE guy his turning heel moment? Of course not, that's idiotic.

And to answer your question, he was ready to fight the whole League of nation's by himself. Face move. See ya.
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Cybrus
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Apr 15 2016, 11:26 PM
I get how a conversation works, but you're making it seem like yours is the only one that matters and that you're right and they're wrong. With comments like
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if you dont want to accept it right now, wait until he cheats or lowblows or something during his match with AJ in a few weeks"

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just wait, in 4 months when Seth is back and is the face challening Roman at SummerSlam, you'll all be thinking "damn.....cybrus was right".


They just sound very douchey and making it seem like your the one that determines that, is all I'm saying. :)

i am not going all tarzan on you. i am not saying "me right. you wrong" i am saying this is my opinion, this is when i think the heel turn happened, these are the reasons why i currently think it, and this is what i expect to see happen over the following weeks and months. this is not me being :quote: douchy :quote: . this is me stating my opinion and reacting when others state theirs

trigger happy intetnet, you sadden me :(
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WWEFootos48
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But again, even if he's starting to possibly turn, it doesn't mean he has. He is not currently a heel. You're basically saying he's a heel and he'll prove it a month from now. That sounds more like a fail-safe than anything in case he does completely turn.

Also, I think a lot of us agree that we would love to see Roman as a heel so why exactly would we be arguing that he isn't unless it was credible that he wasn't yet?
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Apr 15 2016, 11:39 PM
Cybrus has been a douche since the beginning. Arguing and attempting to belittle the members of his forum. The difference is it's not 2006 anymore and we're not all teenagers like we used to be. Everyone's grown up and he's lost all his members. His opinion is of no more value than yours so don't sweat it. Moving on.
I think that burn hurt me! Absolutely savage. 10/10. Would bang.
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Cybrus
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Apr 16 2016, 01:49 AM
But again, even if he's starting to possibly turn, it doesn't mean he has. He is not currently a heel. You're basically saying he's a heel and he'll prove it a month from now. That sounds more like a fail-safe than anything in case he does completely turn.
No, i am saying he turned heel the Raw after WrestleMania. He isnt a tweener, he is a heel and has been for 10 days now. But people waiting for a "big heel moment" for confirmation will not get it until his next PPV match.
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So then what happens at the PPV when Roman beats AJ clean to retain like he did to Triple H? Would he still be a heel to you then?
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Cybrus
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Heels win matches cleanly as well. i expect roman to get the win after his spear or superman punch, but also expect something actually heelish during the match. maybe he pulls the ref into aj's flying elbow or something.
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Ric Flair made a career out of being a heel that was good enough to win cleanly. He just fought dirty and used dirty tactics.
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Both points correct. I should have rephrased that. I meant more or less as Roman wrestling and winning a match similar to the one he fought with Triple H where he was booed but didn't perform any sort of heel tactic.

But on that note, if Cybrus is correct and Reigns does pull something like that, would it actually benefit Roman? He is being built as someone who is like "superman" where he can take any beating and come back from it, so would it diminish him if he were to start using tactics like that to win since it would directly go against how he was built?
Edited by WWEFootos48, Apr 16 2016, 04:59 PM.
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I would suspect that if he is going the heel route, he would just be really super aggressive, like being outside the ring and throwing AJ in steps or slamming his head in the announce table more so than low blows and eye gouges. He won't necessarily "cheat" but will use tactics to hurt and injure people that are deemed unnecessary and unsportsmanlike.
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Not to compare him to Lesnar, but I think that's the reason why Lesnar's run has been so successful. You just know whenever he goes into the ring that he will legitimately try to kill whoever he is working against. He doesn't cheat, and at the most it's Heyman doing something like distracting the ref and not Lesnar. If Reigns goes down that route and tries to push the limits in what he can do, I think it would add a lot to his personality. He has an aggressive style, but it feels like it's a muted and sterile version of what it can really be.

Actually come to think of it, one of the best things about Lesnar matches is that a lot of times you will see the face try to cheat (usually with a low blow or two) in order to try to take him down. It's a cool element and adds realism to the show.
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So it's settled. He's not heel until he's heel. Cybrus is a douche.
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Cybrus
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no, he is still a heel. gallows and anderson are also heels and will be turning on aj.
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This time, Roman sounded more heel-like on his promo.

Watch Anderson and Gallows cost Styles the match at Payback.
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Kame

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Looking forward to this one.
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Raw's opening image was acknowledging the death of Chyna.

Also, Steph just returned.
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i hope they do more for chyna than just a still image for 5 seconds. she is arguably the biggest female name the company has ever produced. she deserves a video tribute!

i have never understood how shane still got control of Raw even after losing at WM. the rumor is that it will lead to shane vs triple h at some point. steph is back, so i suppose that is the first step towards that feud

hey! a ppv this Sunday? i hadnt been paying attention
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CRSHFBRCTN

That's a shame. Best card the main roster has done in almost a year.
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Kame
Apr 26 2016, 12:10 AM
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Looking forward to this one.
Why? When the bell rings Gallows will go in a trance and look dumbfounded.
Edited by Purple Marauder, Apr 26 2016, 02:03 AM.
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Apr 26 2016, 01:58 AM
That's a shame. Best card the main roster has done in almost a year.
i have been paying attention to the show and build, just not to when the next ppv is. my prediction remains that anderson/gallows turn on aj to cost him the match.

that zayn/ko package was great. need more packages like this to document feuds.

speaking of swerves, dudley boys are going to cost enzo/cass their match as well. vaudevillains vs boring day will happen next month, i suppose. or raw? idk when the winners get their match
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Wow. What a heel that Roman is.
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ikr. that was a good swerve on monday to make it :quote: surprising :quote: when anderson and gallows turn on aj and help roman retain sunday. good thing we all already know roman is heel and arent acting like marks :tu:
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Apr 15 2016, 11:39 PM
Cybrus has been a douche since the beginning. Arguing and attempting to belittle the members of his forum. The difference is it's not 2006 anymore and we're not all teenagers like we used to be. Everyone's grown up and he's lost all his members. His opinion is of no more value than yours so don't sweat it. Moving on.
You're an imbecile.
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Same.

All I'm reading is "you'll see when you look back in hindsight after [event] happens that it was there all along." When even in kayfabe it was just admitted that his actions this week as a face were a way to swerve people...which means he wasn't acting like a heel.
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