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Topic Started: Oct 22 2005, 05:23 PM (291 Views)
jerryparid
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When you reach this level of thinking, your "pokemoning" skills has reached perfection.

Source: Crobat, on Smogon

I forgot about situations that are "coin-toss predictions". Imagine that I have Metagross out against Salamence (they are both starting pokemon). Suppose that both pokemon are at 100% and I know for a fact that Salamence has a Choice Band. In this case, I might do the safe thing, expect an Earthquake and send out some flying/levitating pokemon. However my opponent might expect that and use HP Fly or Rock Slide instead. In that case I could just stay in, absorb the resisted attack and finish Salamence with Meteor Mash. My opponent on the other hand, might expect this and do the safest thing for him, which is to Earthquake. On the other hand, he would really like to kill that Zapdos on the switch. I might try to do the safest thing of all, and send my Suicune out. But even Suicune doesn't take CB HP Flyings too well and that might bring my opponent much closer to wearing it down. This scenario is a coin-toss prediction, because none of the involved have any real reason to believe the other would do what they predict they would do. You might use some reasoning similiar to "he played it safe last time so he'll probably take a chance now" or things like that, but you can't really know. After that turn is over, chances are that one of the two players lost a pokemon or got a pokemon hurt badly, seriously lowering his chances of winning. This is an aspect that is very dominant in RS because 1) EV system made pokemon generally weaker defensively 2) reduced popularity of defensive pokemon due to the popularity of trapping pokemon and 3) the introduction of Choice Band. More and more games are decided by this kind of "prediction" and I personally don't see it as a good thing.
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ummmmmmm.......
there must be a lot of perfect players out there then.
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Is it Cromat, not Crobat?

I agree with what he's said in general. I have indeed noticed a great level of coin toss prediction. However, the problem with the old system of stats is that tanking got way too powerful and it proved impossible to win except through massive stalling. I blame the current problems on these factors:

EV Cap is too low: some EV caps is a good idea, but you should be able to max out 3 stats, not 2. This would allow far greater versitility in EV design in allowing defensive investments even on traditional 252/252 pokemon. It would also allow tanks to be legitimate attackers which would stop things like CBers from overpowering them.

The item Choice Band is inherently bad. It magnifies the problem of coin flip predictions by making mispredictions deadly(weak hit AND forced switch) and correct predictions devastating. This would be okay if prediction weren't so random in so many cases. It also generally raises the bar for physical tanks. Not only is high defense needed, but resistance as well. Frequently, Skarmory and only Skarmory can do that.

The Pokemon Chansey and Blissey should not exist. Chansey and Blissey are far too effective of special walls. They are so good in fact that the special sweeper is all but useless. If these Pokemon did not exist, special Pokemon would provide an important counter-balance to physical ones.

More Pokemon need to have mismatched attack and defense. More physical attacking special tanks like Snorlax and special attacking physical tanks like Cloyster would add a whole new level to gameplay. Then it would not become sweeper -> wall -> opposite sweeper -> opposite wall -> sweeper with the opposite wall, Blissey, beings so good that the opposite sweeper becomes underpowered to disrupt the flow. This would allow more room for error as Pokemon like Snorlax could not only stop a special sweeper, but they could punish other special Pokemon's low defenses. Cloyster-like Pokemon could do the same on the special side.

A few Pokemon are inherently too good. Tyranitar is a prime example. Between DDing and Boah, he's nearly impossible to predict until he's made a potentially very damaging move, and boah disrupts the entire metagame by being impossible to switch into. He's the Tauros from RBY of RSE. And Swampert is the Cloyster for him for the record, something that almost counters it but not really. Metagross is another example. His stats are just too high; his ground weakness does not come into play often enough. If he were more easily OHKOable, things would be better.

Ok, those are my metagame thoughts. Alas, most of those cannot be modded away.
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its not really so much coin toss up later in the match when you get to know your opponent but early on it is more or less luck, which i would like to have no part in.
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yes, before rf/lg came, pokemon was more "strategic" ... guardevoir/alakasam/espeon and other special sweepers were fun and powerful to use (no lax and chansey), we were using berries more than now (most of the time the berry that cancels rest sleeping effect), reversal/flail was a dangerous strategie in that time (no t-tar to kill 'em).
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There's still hope. D/P may remove the Choice Band. Blissey may be too good, but I think Chansey is OK. you've certainly balanced some things out, AA, with the mods, though. and Swampert isn't the only thing that can swith in to boah. Hariyama can too, and kill it through the sub with arm thrust.

On the other hand, no one uses Hariyama. Although come to think of it

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could really work and put the smackdown on boah
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reversal was especially dangerous with no salac berry
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Crocune is definitely much more dangerous than a RBY Cloyster when it comes to stopping Boah.
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Sry, it was cromat. Typed incorrectly. My apologies. Coin toss the whole entire game untill like the last 3 pokemons.
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