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| Tweet Topic Started: May 21 2006, 12:17 PM (597 Views) | |
| DigitalCrash27 | May 21 2006, 12:17 PM Post #1 |
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AKA Hypnotist
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Alright, this is just a topic to discuss things... someone brings up a topic, and others begin discussing about it... alright? Hmmm... ok... what are your opinions on memories? Here's my opinion, copy/pasted from another one of my posts at another forum, a guy said he felt old or something and this was my response: Memories, they're like duplicates of moments we've had, not exact duplicates though. The mind recreates the sensations you've had, sight, smell, sound, touch and taste in your mind and even feelings. In a way, because of memories, we can never truly change, because at the moment we're remembering something, we're re-experiencing it, and depending on the memory the feelings and sensations can be almost exactly alike, as if we were reliving the moment... and in a way we are. Remembering a moment when we were drowning, it's as if we were drowning again, and depending on how you remember it, you may remember the fear, the panic, the despair, and the physical details that took place. Such memories can't haunt us forever because we'll be drowning, again and again and again, as long as we remember it. Even though there are other memories, memories of joy, memories of happiness. It's these memories that shall be with us for the rest of the years too, and depending on how you look at it, depending on your personality, they will either mock you in bad times, or cheer you up. Of course, if they mock you, it'll always be after reliving the experience, once you come back to reality... and depending on how intense that happy memory was, the feeling of mock will be just as strong. Just as easily though, they can cheer you up... and depending on it's intensity... the feeling of joy will be just as strong... the feeling of accomplishment, or similar feelings. So... considering this and using logic, if you want to feel young again, all you'd have to do is remember it, after all, it's only the feeling that counts. Ultimately, it'll come down to one question, do you really want to feel young again? What are your thoughts? Anybody may feel free to add other topics to discuss |
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| +Sir Spanky | May 21 2006, 01:25 PM Post #2 |
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Less bananated than Shippou
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I hate to talk about philosical/deep things on the internet ;_; imo the internet is for fun, porn... well that about covers it Spanky |
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| ATHFfreak | May 21 2006, 01:50 PM Post #3 |
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I'm close to being banned!!
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My English class teacher is scary, she threatened to shoot one of my classmates if he didnt shut the fuck up 0_o |
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| +Crunk Juice | May 21 2006, 03:09 PM Post #4 |
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bbm is (super) gay
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Most of my friends would probably shoot that teacher anyway
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| +Bugsy23 | May 21 2006, 03:36 PM Post #5 |
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The Future
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Did anyone else see Da Vinci Code the movie? I saw it last night and I rather liked what I saw, especially since I never saw the previews for the movie so I didn't know what it was about. |
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| +Sir Spanky | May 21 2006, 03:42 PM Post #6 |
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I was thinking about seeing it, as I havn't read the books and it intrigued me, but the plethora of poor reviews put me off
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| +Bugsy23 | May 21 2006, 03:44 PM Post #7 |
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The Future
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Fuck the critics and go see the movie. |
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| +bearzly | May 21 2006, 03:48 PM Post #8 |
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Tangela
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There is a pretty good chance that I'm going tonight. |
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| uberhaxx0r | May 21 2006, 08:25 PM Post #9 |
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your mother
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Isn't it about where if whatever the book says is true, the whole christian religon was a lie? Correct me if I'm wrong though, but that seems very interesting. >_> |
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| DigitalCrash27 | May 21 2006, 10:10 PM Post #10 |
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AKA Hypnotist
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DISCUSS! |
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| +bearzly | May 21 2006, 11:55 PM Post #11 |
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Tangela
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the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few discuss |
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| ATHFfreak | May 22 2006, 12:01 AM Post #12 |
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I'm close to being banned!!
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Depends if the few are really fat... |
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| +Sir Spanky | May 22 2006, 09:02 AM Post #13 |
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Aparently in a recent survey, 67% of British people now honestly believe Jesus had a child with mary Magdeline. Spanky |
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| squirtster | May 22 2006, 11:57 AM Post #14 |
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Tangela
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Do YOU believe it? =o |
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| +Sir Spanky | May 22 2006, 12:40 PM Post #15 |
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Well first I havn't read the books, and secondly I am an atheist and believe that a large proportion of the bible is just exegerated events turned into a ficticious 'story' of sorts. So no, squiersas, I don't believe it. Or more acurately, so what if some block with a beard did have a child with a whore? Who's to say (EDIT: ok christians can say....) I should care/know about his child more than any other? EDIT: I do apologise if I am offending anybody - I am quite outspoken about this it seems. Spanky |
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| +Amazing Ampharos | May 22 2006, 04:56 PM Post #16 |
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Tangela
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Hey Spanky, Pontious Pilate was indeed the governor of Palenstine. That's a fact. Historical fiction is probably what you're looking to call it. |
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| +Sir Spanky | May 22 2006, 05:36 PM Post #17 |
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Less bananated than Shippou
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Ok I did phrase that badly. *edits* Spanky |
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| DigitalCrash27 | May 23 2006, 04:18 PM Post #18 |
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AKA Hypnotist
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Alright, here's the new topic: Butterfly of Fate Alright I've thinking about this for a while... and even thought of making a poem for it, one that involves a butterfly (which eventually dies but... bleck). Ok, the next topic involves free will, and I've actually brought it up in a thread on this forum (Atheists). The poem talks (or will/might talk about [as I'm uncertain if I'll even make it]) about a butterfly which encounters many experiences but due to its nature it has a way of being cautious after each experience and avoids situations which may result in a repetition of a previous ugly experience. Eventually this fear of reliving experiences leads it to its death (well, if you think about it, you can pretty much see how it'll die, it'll end up not even able to move a muscle or run, easy prey), but now here's the question, who killed the butterfly? Fate or the butterfly itself? Due to its nature it can't really think any other way, so that would be fate, it was fated to do that, but, then again, it was possible for the butterfly to think differently... or was it? We do the same to... we learn from past experiences... but the experiences are completely random, and those experiences and the way we learn about them and how we deal with them (our nature), along with how we compare them with other experiences and deal with them (our nurture), it makes us who we are, right? So... do we really truly have free will to think? We can't change our past and even that concept makes us who we are, and our next move will always depend on how we think... but then it'll always end up as fate. The classic free will vs fate. |
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| squirtster | May 23 2006, 04:44 PM Post #19 |
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Tangela
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I think this boils down to a different question...is there an omniscient being somewhere that knows what we are thinking? In other words, it comes down to our religion. If there is an all-knowing, then this entity would be able to perfectly predict our decision in any choice we are faced. If this is true, then is there any other way we can choose? Obviously not... so in a sense, only atheists think they have free will, since other religions involve some sort of all mighty =\ I have no idea what I'm talking about x) |
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| Soannoying | May 23 2006, 08:34 PM Post #20 |
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you forgot about polytheistic religeons squieser but gj! |
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| +Amazing Ampharos | May 23 2006, 09:34 PM Post #21 |
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Tangela
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I'll give the scientific athiest response. For one, I hate the word fate. Fate implies some higher being is directing things and causing them to occur. As this is the athiest point of view, the assumption is that there is no higher being and hence no fate. However, this does not mean that we have free will. Nothing is controlling us, true, but free will implies that we are controlling ourselves, whatever we are. That is the real question, what are we? I can answer that. We are a big wad of atoms, mostly carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Atoms are units of physical matter comprised of protons, neutrons, and electrons. To current knowledge, electrons are fundamental, but protons and neutrons can be broken into quarks. The thing is, however you take it, they are all simply mass with charges(in the case of neutrons the charges cancel to a net effect of zero). They are attracted to each other by electrical forces, gravity, and nuclear forces we do not fully understand. They all have a specific location in space and a specific velocity. They are undergoing forces that can change the velocity as F=ma, hence acceleration is created by forces. Now, think of this. If you took one single carbon atom and launched it in a straight line and if it never interacted with another object, would it not do the same exact thing every time(travel in a straight line)? Now let's say we have two electrons launched toward each other but not in the same line. Would they not do the same thing every time(curve away from each other but continue forward)? Let's increase it to the macro level. If you throw a ball at a wall with the same velocity and position, would it not bounce in the same way every time? Ok, remember the origin of the universe as shown by science is the big bang. As per events prior to the big bang or why the big bang happened, that is insignificant. The issue is that at one point all the matter and energy were at one spot and then it exploded. From that instance, every particle in the universe was at a specific location with a specific velocity. Electromagnetic radiaton existed in specific places with specific intensity and specific wavelength and frequency. If you pause the universe at this time, let's say one second after the big bang, and let it play, the same thing will happen every time you hit play. The atoms will go with their velocities and interact as they will. They are just like balls bouncing off a wall. We think of ourselves outside of this frame, however, we are really just carbon compounds undergoing complex chemical reactions. Now, I'll tell you, chemical reactions under perfectly identical conditions always occur in exactly the same way. We are not bound by anything, but we do not so much make choices as everything that will ever happen is bound to happen as demonstrated. I hope that wasn't too confusing. However, it was a statement as per why athiests should not believe they have free will. Also, speaking of polytheism, I challenge any Christian or Jew to find decisive evidence in their religious texts or histories that no superior being other than their god exists. Note that this other superior being can be infinitely inferior to their god but still superior to humans so that old first commandment isn't going to work. A double challenge for Christians, find the place in the bible where Jesus himself(not the archangel Gabriel or one of the apostles) claims to be the son of god. |
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| +Chen | May 23 2006, 09:53 PM Post #22 |
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Bananated
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| +Sir Spanky | May 24 2006, 06:33 AM Post #23 |
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Less bananated than Shippou
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AA needs to become an Epicureanist imo. Spanky |
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| Guest | May 24 2006, 12:02 PM Post #24 |
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In other words, AA, you're saying that because of chemical reactions and the way they react we'll always make the same decision no matter what. Ok, I guess fate wasn't exactly the right word, I guess I should've used destiny instead as it's not as religious... kind of... anyhow... you already my psychological point of view, which is just another way of agreeing with you. It's interesting how it isn't much of a discussion >.> there's like no one trying to disprove anything... lol Ok, so if we mix up the two views together we get: -Nature, the way we act towards things due to genes, allow us to perceive things in different, yet specific ways. -Genes=Science, and involves chemicals, and atoms, and that other whatnot -Therefore, chemicals are the things that allow us to perceive things in different yet specific ways -Chemical reactions allow us to perceive an experience in a specific way, but in turn the experience affects the way our mind works and thus the way the chemicals and electrical impulses are... errmm... put in motion -Experiences are completely random and that we can not control, this means that the way the chemicals and impulses are affected is completely random -We've no true control over those chemical reactions either, and so we'll always end up making the same thing over and over again and our decisions due to experiences are random as well thus meaning we really have no free will and our whole lives are just a... bunch of randomness that we really can't control. |
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| DigitalCrash27 | May 24 2006, 12:02 PM Post #25 |
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AKA Hypnotist
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Failed to login, again >.< |
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| +Amazing Ampharos | May 24 2006, 02:59 PM Post #26 |
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Tangela
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My point was just as much that people think that because they are alive they are somehow separate from other forms of matter. However, the funny thing is most people start acting so weird when they think about the fact that what they choose in any situation was inevitable. There's one flaw though: there's no way to ever know what is bound to happen as any method of determining it would change the situation and hence what is bound to happen(well, not really as being told wrongly what is bound to happen is part of what is bound to happen). If you were told you are destined to eat a bowl of Cheerios tommorrow morning, I can tell you 99% of the time you won't eat those Cheerios. The whole issue gets more complicated with time distortion caused by relativity which opens the door to time travel, potentially creating effective parallel universes in which events turn out differently, but all inexorably as all interaction between the times was bound to happen(calling the times static entities is a flawed idea as time is distortable, but it is needed for communication). So basically everything that happens is bound to happen as if you were to stop the universe and rearrange literally everything down to the atom, down to the quark, in the exact same position with the exact same velocity and were to ensure that all electromagnetic radiation and any other forms of energy were in the exact same places with the exact same intensity, frequency, and wavelength, and that basically everything were the exact same, the same things would happen. However, the fact that you are bound to choose one way shouldn't really alter what you choose, should it? You're best off living your life normally without concerning yourself with the inevitable as your pseudo-choice is the biggest factor in what happens to you so you would want to continue to try to choose the best for yourself, even if making that choice was inevitable. |
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