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Kanga nerf.; and celebitch
Topic Started: Jul 19 2006, 08:03 PM (1,121 Views)
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Seriously Kanga owns so much unless you use Banete/Gar/MissyD.

It Bu's then Rest's off damaga in one turn :/ just take off Early Bird, and everything would be good.

And Celebitch needs to lose either Recover, or Natural Cure. v_v
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Yes please.

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Celebi doesn't need recover removed. It has a quadruple bug weakness and six nonbug types are SE to celebi. That pretty much goes for all the celebi nurfs suggested here.
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Soannoying
Jul 19 2006, 08:15 PM
Celebi needs recover removed. It has a quadruple bug weakness which is the only thing that hurts it and six nonbug types are SE to celebi which mostly don't do shit. It's quite a tank.

Fix'd.
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wtf srry I don't know How I double posted
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don't mess with my quotes.
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I didn't mess with your quotes I messed with your post.
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Well don't mess with my post! :angry:

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six nonbug types are SE to celebi which mostly don't do shit.
oh really haxx0r? latios IB will do 48 to 57% to celebi.
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aahahhaaha

Also on topic, no
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six nonbug types are SE to celebi which mostly don't do shit.
oh really haxx0r? latios IB will do 48 to 57% to celebi.
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Losing Early Bird is good, but perhaps lose EQ so it has to go old-skool lax type coverage?

EDIT: Or turn BU into Curse so it wrecks my fast Kanga spread...
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Soannoying
Jul 19 2006, 08:33 PM
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six nonbug types are SE to celebi which mostly don't do shit.
oh really haxx0r? latios IB will do 48 to 57% to celebi.

that's there for a reason dumbfuck
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taking early bird sounds like the best option to me

I have been supporting getting rid of natural cure celebi for a veeeeery long time
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Kanga is finally good, and now everyone wants him nerfed >_>. Just make BU and rest illegal, and you are good.

And if celebi loses recover, it basically has nothing going for it. Celebi is fine the way it is. Losing leech seed is more than enough.
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No no no

what i wan't and think would be best is

Kangaskhan Illegal trait Early Bird

and

Celebi Illegal trait Natural Cure
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No, kanga should have early bird as it is a very good, trait,as long as it is illegal with bulk up, your problems are solved.
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that was me
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No, not the trait, the move rest.
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more liek

Illegal, Pokemon, Kanga

seriously though bu + rest illegal

edit: also no natural cure celerii
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BU + rest - illegal is a bit too far, I'd just take Crunk's Celebi and Josh's Kanga suggestions.
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Banzo didn't Josh suggest BU+Rest illegal in the first place? If not I don't think you can make moves and traits illegal, otherwise I would be rapidly campaigning for Pain Split+WG illegal on Sheddy :)
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needs more endeavour + qa sheddy
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That was what I meant in the first place >_<

I support Endeavour+Sandstream sheddy because shouting DOUBLE KILL makes me feel really manly.
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I have to agree with crunk on the kanga nurf. Kanga is too much like a standard lax defensively except faster. A standard lax takes a three turn rest and its base stats for special defenses equal 270 (160+110) but divided over a three-turn rest equaling 90. Kanga on the other hand has a two turn rest and its base special defenses equal 185 (105+85) and divided by two equal 92.5. Plus, Khangaskhan has better defense but that doesn't matter much because we're comparing a curser versus a bulk upper which both boost defense. Now, A Kanga's offensive is no doubt worse than standard lax's but its good enough to tear apart teams with physical sweep. Sure it can be get physically walled and of course its not going to be defeated by walling and as I pointed out before its better at using rest than standard snorlax.
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Kanga needs too much set-up for a nerf, instead of whining as soon as it becomes good, try and figure out a counter/use some of the actual counters. It is not in need of a nerf.
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you didnt want this

until bugsy raped you wih kanga
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What an earth are you going on about soannoying? I don't understand how you can say snorlax's special defence is "270 (160+110)".

Firstly I have no idea why you split it in brackets, and secondly, Snorlax has 300 Special defence minimum. Hell I run 320 on most of mine, which messes with your arguement somewhat.

Snorlax is has at least another 100hp if not more, a better attack stats, and an equal defence stat. Infact it is only hindered by a 3 turn rest and a slower speed.

Now I agree Kanga needs a nerf, but don't even begin to say it was in the same league as Snorlax.

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Maybe he got his base stats mixed up or something :?
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Or he gave Kanga max special defence and gave Snorlax no EV's at all :-/
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Actually I totally ignored EVs all I did was use base stats as in the base stats used to defend against a special attack or physical attack. I'm not talking about the actual lv 100 stats. Actually just forcing it to use curse instead of bulk up would make it defeatable by physical tanks with taunt and spanky I already said that snorlax's offensive outclasses that of Kanga.
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