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Kingdra: Bulky Water?
Topic Started: Jul 26 2006, 04:35 PM (840 Views)
meddle
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It'd be cool to have Kingdra be an alternative to Milo, since it already gets Marvel Scale, but it could use a better movepool IMO.

move ideas:
Light Screen
Pain Split
Recover
Hypnosis

just something to help it tank a little better?

other ideas?
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reflect?
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Maybe more support moves, like Twave
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what about baton pass
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If anything, I think it should get more offensive options.
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Dragon Claw >_>

We dont want to make it to defensive, however. It has one of the best defensive typings in the game already, and his stats are decent enough.

Thunderwave seems ok on it, Hypnosis may be pushing it, the screens would be great, but Im not too sure about the recovery moves, though
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I like Thunder Wave Kingdra, but ResTalk also works very well. But it would also help if it got Dragon Claw because Thunder Wave doesnt fit anywhere on the ResTalk set.

Both Screens seem fine, I like Hypnosis, but it seems a little borken, but not as borken as Recover.

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Pretty good ideas.
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Maybe remove Hypnosis from Milotic, so Kingdra becomes an alternative by default.
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I'm thinking growth, mirror coat, and dragon claw so it can set itself apart from other waters by being a special sweeper since it can have mirror coat it scares opposing special attackers.
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Definitely not recover, kingdra is plenty tanky already along with it's (pracitcally) no weak

I'm fine with dragon claw, but hypnosis and growth are definitely out. Meh@mirror coat, probably overpowered seeing as nothing will OHKO
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here are some calculations comparing Kingdra and Milotic; assume max HP max Def bold on each (even though that isn't the standard spread)

From 405 Attack Salamence, HP Bird does:
to Kingdra: 28%-32%
to Milotic: 28%-33%

Kingdra is only marginally better than Milo, at least as far as Defense is concerned. Since Milo has the better movepool, it gets chosen over Kingdra.

Would a recovery move be really *that* broken? I mean, sure Kingdra has a nice x4 resist to Fire and Water, but is that really important considering Milo takes nothing from Fire and Water anyway (high spdef)? At least Milo resists Ice and can sleep Regice.

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Jul 27 2006, 02:03 PM
Definitely not recover, kingdra is plenty tanky already along with it's (pracitcally) no weak

I'm fine with dragon claw, but hypnosis and growth are definitely out. Meh@mirror coat, probably overpowered seeing as nothing will OHKO

Everything but growth and dragon claw are things milotic already has and Kingdra is beat defensively statwise by milo and milo has higher special attack. Plus, Milotic gets reflect while Kingdra does not. I don't buy the idea that Kingdra will never be OHKO'ed considering the stat uppers that like to run around including the fact that Kingdra can't do squat to negate an opponent's stat ups.

Well time for more suggestions or something: How about shadow ball and earthquake to improve the DD set? Maybe it should be a water-type with SD so it could be like a sorta more physical Registeel of waters (and if it puts down feraligator just make eq+sd illegal). Focusing it on making it do something different well would probably be better than focusing on making it compete doing a very similiar job against a milo.
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Soannoying
Jul 27 2006, 10:07 PM
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Jul 27 2006, 02:03 PM
Definitely not recover, kingdra is plenty tanky already along with it's (pracitcally) no weak

I'm fine with dragon claw, but hypnosis and growth are definitely out. Meh@mirror coat, probably overpowered seeing as nothing will OHKO

Everything but growth and dragon claw are things milotic already has and Kingdra is beat defensively statwise by milo and milo has higher special attack. Plus, Milotic gets reflect while Kingdra does not. I don't buy the idea that Kingdra will never be OHKO'ed considering the stat uppers that like to run around including the fact that Kingdra can't do squat to negate an opponent's stat ups.

Well time for more suggestions or something: How about shadow ball and earthquake to improve the DD set? Maybe it should be a water-type with SD so it could be like a sorta more physical Registeel of waters (and if it puts down feraligator just make eq+sd illegal). Focusing it on making it do something different well would probably be better than focusing on making it compete doing a very similiar job against a milo.

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I don't agree with the second half part though...

but seriously why let Kingdra just sit there and be outclassed by Milo. It doesnt do squat as it is besides the noobdance set...
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Well I'm suggesting we let it have a good DD set so it stands apart along with SD added onto that.
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Soannoying
Jul 27 2006, 10:20 PM
Well I'm suggesting we let it have a good DD set so it stands apart along with SD added onto that.

Im more for a tanking set TBH, I mean, AA already gave it Marvel Scale. I just think it needs more moves to reach its potential.
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Honestly, I really don't want a tanking set. It has a brilliant typing already. I agree that it should have a better offense, but that's it. Please don't give it moves to tank. It would be extremely hard to kill.
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meddle
Jul 27 2006, 10:25 PM
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Jul 27 2006, 10:20 PM
Well I'm suggesting we let it have a good DD set so it stands apart along with SD added onto that.

Im more for a tanking set TBH, I mean, AA already gave it Marvel Scale. I just think it needs more moves to reach its potential.

But if only its improved tanking-wise it seems to me it'll just be another water that walls stuff killing things slowly. The only real difference that helps it compete will be its typing. If my suggested SD set is implemented it can be a more defensive version of Feraligator with a slightly better offensive moveset and Guts.
(replace Swift Swim with Guts)
the suggested DD set could make it like gyarados but with less desirable stats in return for better attack moveset, guts, and no huge tbolt weakness.
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yeah let's just ignore no physical stab.

oh yeah and no taunt, but that could be changed.
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