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Lapras
Topic Started: Aug 3 2006, 03:40 PM (879 Views)
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I was extremely dissapointed to see his mod list tbh. :/ Apart from his damn ice type, this thing has so much potential. Even Milotic gets a better mod boost. :/

I thought that it should at least get recover so that it is more on par with Milotic, and Gormenghast suggested Shed Skin. This way, I feel they would be on par. It makes sense, too.

Pros over Milotic:

Thunderbolt.
HP.
Slightly more defense.
Can instantly heal stats effects/predicting surf switch-ins for healing.
Counters Bulky Waters rather then walling them.

Cons:

Ice Typing.
Can't take abuse of a will-o-wisp/twave switch-in for a def boost.
Reflect.
More special attack.
Rather large amount more special defense.
More speed, not like it makes much difference, however.

I'd at least like a consideration, since it's a damn cool Pokémon that just begs for use. =(
(21:51:38) meddle: jolteon beats sandslash
(21:51:45) meddle: but both beat shuckle

^the truth

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Aug 3 2006, 02:40 PM
Cons:
More special attack.
Rather large amount more special defense.
More speed, not like it makes much difference, however.

Those are for Milotic, right?
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Yes, and Shed Skin is a pretty cool idea, even though it doesnt make much sense.
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I like ice typing. a STABd ice beam hurts a lot of things. It really does not hurt lapras.
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it adds weaknesses v.v
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It removes a resistance to meteor mash and fire blast, as well as adding a weak to rock, and given Lapras' role of a bulky water I would trade in Ice Beam stab for better type resisting. The only thing I can think of doing for it resistance wise is allowing for complete walling of cune without worrying about 6 cm'd ice beams heading your way.

And Goji, the con section is the cons of Lapras over Milotic, so it is what Milotic gets. >_>

Also Shed Skin does make sense, Gorm mentioned it being based off some snake thing which sheds skin.
(21:51:38) meddle: jolteon beats sandslash
(21:51:45) meddle: but both beat shuckle

^the truth

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Yes but Lapras isnt a snake.
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Lapras is based off of the Loch ness monster, which iirc is often depicted as a serpent.
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It is based of a pliosaur.

Shed Skin wouldn't really even the score imo. Lapras isn't hindered by status all that much rather than sleep like all but a few pokemon and paralyzation hax. Water Absorb is clearly a superior trait.

I think a good mod for it would be calm mind, if it doesn't get it already. Lapras are known to be calm, gentle, and soothing creatures so it makes perfect sense. It also can use psychic powers, so why not calm mind? It would surely make it a better special sweeper than most of the other waters with its double-stab and thunderbolt even if it is a bit slow.
Sandslash is the best.
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I would be very scared of cm lapras

also, who would use shed skin over water absorb?
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It isn't as scary as other calm minders. Lapras, like a lot of special pokemon, are still stopped by the standard special sponges. Lapras is also a little slow to be sweeping without speed boosts or paralyzation. It can't recover hp bar rest if I'm not mistaken which is a good trait of some calm minders.
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Lapras gets 101 hp subs and STABed Surf and Ice Beam. He would make a nice CMer imo.
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hmm STAB IB/thunderbolt/Calm Mind/Rest with 130 hp/ 80 def/ 85 spa/ 95 sepd sounds pretty scary even though its slow. It would be registeelish except vulnerable to psych up but otherwise definitely less wallable. I mean what eats boltbeam other than special walls, registeel, and Lanturn. Hey the first two are tanks and the other has high hp but crappy other stats. Look registeel gets walled by anything that resists steel and eq as those are the two attacks it generally wields. It however, doesn't have much else in viably competitive attacking options.
In other words I dunno about this CM idea for Lapras.
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Maybe Growth for Lapras. Though I wish he had more of a Physical pool. It's atk is the same as its Sp Atk, though it doesn't have STAB. It does have Dragon Dance however. IMO, a few Physical attacks would make it cool. I like my DD Lappy. :P
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cm lapras is a bit borked
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I wouldnt mind growth.

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Meh, I'm just trying to give lapras an advanatge over milotic. =x

CMpras is a bit scary, but it still is easier to counter than other calm minders. For starters, it is really slow so it can't really sweep a full team. Even if it has 6 calm minds, it would still be forced out when CBtar or Blaziken or anything with a strong fighting or rock move comes along (though most people would use a more defensive spread on lapras, sometimes taking away of its attacks). When it rests, it becomes a sitting duck for metagross, tyranitar, snorlax, etc. Phazers can come in while it sleeps. Much like adv calmcune. Doesn't every team have snorlax or company which makes lapras near useless for attacking? It is scary, but it isn't that broken.

Okay, even if it was a bad idea, I tried my best. :/
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Eh, personally I'd use Water Absorb over Shed Skin myself, but I can see some people using Shed Skin, rather like with Gyarados.

What about the suggestion of recover? Nobody has commented. <_<
(21:51:38) meddle: jolteon beats sandslash
(21:51:45) meddle: but both beat shuckle

^the truth

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Why?

Milotic has it and it does fine, and Milotic has better defensive typing and a decent amount more sp. def. Though I admit quite a bit less hp. <_<
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Sure give it recover as milotic has both mcoat, recover, and marvel scale. Lapras doesn't have any of these things currently so give it recover. That alone could make Lapras rival on milotic's level after all its got huge hp and STAB IB plus tbolt.
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Give Lapras Flamethrower because he is a giant lizard like Godzilla <.<
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Godzilla used Flamethrower?
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Rofl, Flamethrower
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shippou please stop suggesting =\
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i like my DDpras too ;_;
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Lapras ALWAYS wins milotic 1V1:
Water Absorb
1/4 Ice Resistance
T-Bolt
CM,
Move Added:Iron Defense and/or Harden (It haves a shell,so why no Iron Defense and/or Harden),Also it makes it VERY bulky water.
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I didn't say that, I just said that Milotic is better, which it is.

Just because Lapras beats Milotic doesn't mean Lapras is better.
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