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Topic Started: Aug 12 2006, 01:28 AM (2,546 Views)
+Amazing Ampharos
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Ok, this time the theme is nerfs. Here's what I propose:

Added lines:

Trait, Latios, Damp, 1
Illegal, Deoxys, Taunt
Illegal, Deoxys-F, Taunt
Illegal, Deoxys-L, Taunt
Illegal, Deoxys-E, Taunt
Illegal, Lugia, Double Team
Trait, Celebi, Illuminate, 1
Illegal, Substitue, Flygon
Illegal, Substitute, Zapdos
Illegal, Latios, Thunderbolt
Illegal, Latios, Reflect
Illegal, Latias, Ice Beam
Illegal, Latias, Light Screen
Illegal, Registeel, Swords Dance, Rest
Move, Dragonite, Heal Bell
Move, Mareep, Heal Bell
Move, Flaaffy, Heal Bell
Move, Ampharos, Heal Bell
Move, Togetic, Tri Attack
Move, Gulpin, Sing
Move, Swalot, Sing
Move, Tangela, Counter
Move, Seel, Moonlight
Move, Dewgong, Moonlight
Move, Beedrill, Reversal
Move, Beedrill, Silver Wind
Move, Butterfree, Blizzard
Move, Ninetales, Recover
Move, Venomoth, Heat Wave
Move, Venomoth, Shock Wave
Move, Venomoth, Icy Wind
Move, Meowth, Howl
Move, Persian, Howl
Move, Seadra, Reflect
Move, Kingdra, Reflect
Move, Kangaskhan, Curse
Move, Castform, Morning Sun
Move, Castform, Wish
Move, Gligar, Rapid Spin
Trait, Blastoise, Shell Armor, 2
Move, Magnemite, Recycle
Move, Magneton, Recycle

Removed lines:

Move, Tyranitar, Shadow Ball
Move, Tyranitar, Mega Drain
Trait, Magnemite, Levitate, 2
Trait, Magneton, Levitate, 2
Move, Kangaskhan, Bulk Up

I also was going to nerf Flygon, but I don't know how. Please discuss nerfs here.
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Amazing Ampharos
Aug 12 2006, 12:28 AM
Ok, this time the theme is nerfs. Here's what I propose:

Added lines:

Trait, Latios, Damp, 1 - ok

Removed lines:

Move, Tyranitar, Shadow Ball - put hp back then =x
Move, Tyranitar, Mega Drain - huh?
Trait, Magnemite, Levitate, 2 - please dont remove this =/

I also was going to nerf Flygon, but I don't know how. Please discuss nerfs here. - err maybe no fire blast?

i really dont like the removal of levitate magneton v.v
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What would Magneton get instead of Levitate? =\

Illegal, Flygon, Swords Dance + Hidden Power >_>
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Please dont take levitate off of maggy, it finally is on the perfect level. Dont rape it.
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Quote:
 
Removed lines:
Trait, Magneton, Levitate, 2

*faints
and uh

Illegal, Flygon, Swords Dance + Earthquake imo
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Maybe get rid of EQ on flygon but bring back Rock Slide with Swords dance, so you have to use HP Ground?
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exactly my idea
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But you didnt say bring RS back.

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Aug 12 2006, 02:22 AM
Please dont take levitate off of maggy, it finally is on the perfect level. Dont rape it.

This.

And yeah, Flygon needs nerf.

Perhaps Bulk Up over Swords Dance and bring Rock Slide back. :o
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I'm amused at how the 'useless' filler trait Sand Veil was still too good.
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sand veil on a non ground/rock/steel pokemon will always be good
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Illegal:

Move, Flygon, Substitute

Makes it easier to status without making Subs some pokemon (like that Forretress Soannoying used) can't break. Forces it to use Return/Quick Attack or Fire Blast, which can be countered depending on which move it is. Bulk Up might be nice over Swords Dance, but Bulk Up is just gonna make it's Subs hard as fuck for a lot of Pokemon to break, and it'll still sweep the same.

If Magneton is going to lose Levitate, it still needs a second trait. If Magnet Pull makes sense, then so Would Volt Absorb, although we have a lot of Electrics with that trait already (and Registeel). Natural Cure/Pressure could work, and Soundproof could work as a better Magnet Pull, as Skarmory still couldn't Roar you out, but you can force a lot of switches with it. Synchronize is the last thing on my mind.

Illegal, Gyarados, Dragon Dance + Taunt

Especially because Magneton is losing Levitate, and was probably THE best Gyarados counter out there. It just gives us more reason to use Gyarados + Magneton teams now if it still has Taunt, and as of late, I'm starting to see a lot more Gyarados...

Illegal, Celebi, Natural Cure

Another one of those "has to go" things because even Tyranitar will have a hard time killing this thing without Shadow Ball. It would just never die in its current state. As a replacement I would use Effort Spore or Early Bird, maybe Pressure although it stalls everything out as it is. Trace is my favorite trait ever, so you can give that some thought.

Illegal, Registeel, Swords Dance + Rest

I wouldn't make Meteor Mash Illegal (as Sandslash said) because it can't use Curse with Rest either, so this works. Registeel doesn't die as it is, switching into various Electrics and completely walling them outside of Subpunchers and HP Fire Magneton. And even with Magneton losing Levitate, it'll die to Registeel as well. This thing is seriously a beast.

Legal:

Move, Beedrill, Reversal

Yeah I've been using Beedrill for a little while, and it's pretty fun, except it dies to a lot of attacks (Levitate helps). Reversal would make a nice alternative to the Swords Dance/Sludge Bomb/Brick Break/Baton Pass set I've been using (I can almost never get the pass in) where I usually kill something slower before I die. It has the Speed, and with 1 Dance it can get over 500 Attack (which is all you'll usually be able to get), but it works for me. And not only can it Reversal, but it can Baton Pass out the Salac + Swords Dances if it ever gets in trouble. That would be an awesome addition it it.

Move, Blastoise, Zap Cannon

If it's not gonna get anything else, you may as well give it the NYPC move it deserves. At least with Zap Cannon it can stop other Spikers (Cloyster/Omastar) and Starmie switches without having to Toxic all the time. Along with Blastoise, a few other pokemon deserve their NYPC/XD moves as well:

Move, Dragonite, Heal Bell
Move, Ampharos, Heal Bell
Move, Scizor, Morning Sun
Move, Togetic, Tri Attack
Move, Swalot, Sing
Move, Mightyena, Heal Bell
Move, Dragonite, Hydro Pump
Move, Xatu, Safeguard
Move, Piloswine, Whirlwind
Move, Delibird, Spikes
Move, Eevee Chain, Growth
Move, Heracross, Seismic Toss

Move, Tangela, Counter

Yeah I think we already discussed this...

Move, Persian, Encore

Sets it apart from Hypnosis/Thunder Wave Stantler as it can switch in on Sleep/Paralysis (depending on the trait) and Encore the attack (it has the Speed). That's pretty damn useful in my eyes.
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what about illegal Swords dance+ meteor mash registeel <.<
i still want to see spikes/intimidate Sandslash >.>
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Nobody would be afriad of a hedgehog *Or whatever SS is* Now what we really need is intimadate Zam so he doesn't get so hard with physical attacks, I would be scared as shit if I saw a humanoid creature that looked like that -.-
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Remove-

Magneton, Metal Sound
I like what Levitate did for it, and this is about the only other thing there is to take away from it.

Flygon, Fire Blast
I think SD is just fine. Taking FB away lets Skarm, Breloom, and most other Grasses switch in safely, and I think that's all it needs. Losing Sub just feels wrong for any Pokemon.

Latios, Thunderbolt
Latios, Light Screen
Latias, Ice Beam
Latias, Reflect

A much-needed nerfing plus a bit of differentiation. Give Latios Crunch and Latias Flamethrower to make up for it.

Tyranitar, Shadow Ball
I agree.

Aerodactyl, Earthquake
Magnitude instead. Aero still kicks too much ass IMO.
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I was going to suggest keeping Levitate but removing Sub on Maggy, but I like tiger's idea much better
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osmbv tiger
Aug 12 2006, 09:50 AM
Flygon, Fire Blast
I think SD is just fine. Taking FB away lets Skarm, Breloom, and most other Grasses switch in safely, and I think that's all it needs. Losing Sub just feels wrong for any Pokemon.


Honestly, I haven't seen a single Flygon with Fire Blast over Return or Substitute. And, man do those Return and Substitute Flygons sweep.
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I don't agree w/ the EQ nerf on Aero.

I really don't see that many Aero's atm and removing EQ will result in a further drop in its usage.

I do agree that making sub Illegal on Flygon wouldn't be cool though, along with any other pogey. (Except T-tar but that's because Boah rapes)
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Yeah, Aero isn't used much right now. If it's usage goes up we can nerf it I guess, but for now just leave it be.
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I haven't even seen Aero used at this server once .-.
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Illegal, Pokémon, Blissey

*dodges bullets* >_>

Really though, I agree with nerfing Flygon. If it gets up a SD behind a sub there's really no stopping it. Remove Sub or Swords Dance. Aerodactyl doesn't need to lose EQ because it's had it since GSC and nobody's ever had a problem with it before. I also agree with giving more of the XD moves to Pokemon that need new moves.
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although i haven't played much mod yet and thus lack some experience with it, i've kinda questioned why flygon even got swords dance in the first place. it's not like it really needs it, it just felt like some pretty hefty icing on the cake that makes up an already good pokemon. why was curse+rest removed from swampert while flygon got swords dance, for example? i see sd flygon as a bigger threat to my teams than cursepert ever was, and both were already getting good use in standard play.
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ulti Flygon has a double ice weak while spert has a double grass type weak. Of course Grass attacks are less common and less powerful than ice attacks.
In other words IB threat/HP ice>Grass attack threat.

Edit: btw you propose getting rid of sand stream off of latios but how many people use sandstream teams anyway?
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Salamence has a double Ice weakness and Tyranitar has a double Fighting weakness, yet that didn't stop them from raping the enitre RS metagame, so Ice > Grass has nothing to do with it. I'm not sure why it needed Swords Dance either to be honest.
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Why? Favoritism.

And SA, it's not just the people using whole sand-based teams, but more about all the random T-Tars/Camerupts popping up all over.
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I agree with any efforts devoted to nerfing Flygon, Gyarados, Celebi, Blissey, the Latis, and ESPECIALLY Registeel (I hate that thing).

other ideas:

Illegal, Celebi, Calm Mind

An annoyance to say the least. Can still set up on basically anything.

Trait, Blissey, Run Away, Slot2

see: http://z13.invisionfree.com/AA_Mod_Server_...?showtopic=1401

PLEASE add:

Move, Tangela, Counter
Move, Blastoise, Zap Cannon
Move, Entei, Anything Physical
Move, Persian, Encore
The missing XD/NYPC moves

I really don't see the purpose of removing mega drain on Tyranitar...

Here are some ideas for nerfing Flygon:

1. Trait, Flygon, Compoundeyes, Slot1

2. remove: Move, Flygon, Swords Dance
add: Move, Flygon, Meditate/Howl/Sharpen
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I have a question. How is removing Swords Dance and then giving it Sharpen going to help? And I like Compoundeyes over Levitate. And making cm illegal on Celebi is a good idea imo, as well as removing Natural Cure. And put Run Away over Serene Grace, not as an option. I think it would be better this way.
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[15:13:30] BBM: meddle if we nerfed half th stuff you said, how the hell would we counter kingdra
[15:13:31] BBM: -_-
[15:13:45] kiwi: kingdra dies
[15:13:49] kiwi: to
[15:13:51] kiwi: medicham
[15:13:53] kiwi: lol
[15:13:56] kiwi: and explosion
[15:13:59] BBM: ._.
[15:14:04] kiwi: and uh
[15:14:17] kiwi: well at least i didnt suggest reflect kingdra xD
[15:14:21] BBM: >:(
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1 stage is always better than 2. In a sense it could give Screech some use as well.
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I have a question. How is removing Swords Dance and then giving it Sharpen going to help? And I like Compoundeyes over Levitate. And making cm illegal on Celebi is a good idea imo, as well as removing Natural Cure. And put Run Away over Serene Grace, not as an option. I think it would be better this way.

putting run away in slot 2 DOES put it over serene grace, as it has thick fat in slot one :)
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