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Topic Started: Aug 12 2006, 01:28 AM (2,548 Views)
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Aug 12 2006, 12:28 AM
Ok, this time the theme is nerfs. Here's part of what I propose:

Removed lines:

Move, Tyranitar, Shadow Ball
Move, Tyranitar, Mega Drain
hmmm k it still has hp to use so its not ruined. Actually this really isn't much of a nurf. RS neutral effectiveness is worth less than SE hidden power.
Trait, Magnemite, Levitate, 2
Trait, Magneton, Levitate, 2
Magneton is a force in standard. However, simply taking away levitate would leave us with standard maggy. maybe we should
illegal, magneton, substitute, thunder wave
illegal, magneton, metal sound
move, magneton, growth
Nobody is gonna whine about growth right? its just there so it has a movepool. sub plus t-wave is underrated because guts boost is worthless against faster subbers and the only truely strong move of fighters is cross chop which has low pp and 80 accuracy.
I also was going to nerf Flygon, but I don't know how. Please discuss nerfs here. (contradictary part ahead)
First take away substitute. No sub means it can be toxic'd by shuckle. Second, take away fire blast so skarmory can safely toxic Flygon.

heh its in the "quote"
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Aug 12 2006, 01:22 PM
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Aug 12 2006, 01:11 PM
I have a question. How is removing Swords Dance and then giving it Sharpen going to help? And I like Compoundeyes over Levitate. And making cm illegal on Celebi is a good idea imo, as well as removing Natural Cure. And put Run Away over Serene Grace, not as an option. I think it would be better this way.

putting run away in slot 2 DOES put it over serene grace, as it has thick fat in slot one :)

Okay, sorry. I don't really use Blissey, so I wouldn't know.
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Move, Calm Mind, Snorlax

PLEASE
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First take away substitute. No sub means it can be toxic'd by shuckle. Second, take away fire blast so skarmory can safely toxic Flygon.


HAY GUYS LETS ALL USE SHUCKLE TO TAKE DOWN FLYGONONONON

seriously...what? it's not only shuckle that can toxic flygon. heck, no one uses shuckle anyways.
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Levitate Magneton is going, despite its popularity, because it really is highly imbalanced. It's very hard to build a team without a levitate Magneton weakness. Fighting things can't switch in on it at all so that really leaves you needing a fire type or something like Fire Blast Blissey to deal with it which usually opens you up to a lot of other dangerous stuff. Blissey loses IB and suddenly Flygon has free set up. Blissey loses tbolt and suddenly Pelipper and Gyarados have a field day. Also, levitate removed the function Magneton did in standard of abusing Skarm. Trait, Magneton, Levitate is a serious buff to the best physical tank in the game as Skarm now has a lot less to fear from a typical team. Granted, it's not a true buff as Magneton still can use MP, but everyone uses levitate so it seems that way in effect.

I don't understand the desire to nerf Gyarados at all. Magneton is definately a lot more threatening than Gyara, and Gyara is definately counterable by a pretty wide variety of things other than Skarm. I mean, Pokemon used thunderbolt, and unlike things like Salamence from the old standard, Gyarados frequently lacks the muscle to sweep out the tbolt users after 1 DD.

Removing mega drain Tyranitar is because I look back and wonder why I gave it in the first place.

Move, Entei, physical is a dangerous thing. Seriously, Entei could be very broken without much help. He does have just about the best stats ever; his movepool is all that really holds him back. He is really perfectly usable now, people just choose not to.

Soannoying, Tyranitar can't get hidden power in the mods. Removing Shadow Ball removes its ability to use ghost type attacks at all. Mega Drain was a potential anti-water/ground move as it would do base 160 damage to them with HP recovery for Tyranitar, and HP Grass was not an option.
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=/ guys this is what i think

SD + Sub Illegal on Flygon

PLEASE dont take away Levitate I BEG you. Dont do it, it would take away what is flygon.

DONT TAKE AWAY LEVITATE MAGGY IT HELPS WALL MANY THINGS IE REGISTEEL/FLYGON

nerf celebi, aero is fina as is, and thats about it. v.v
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sorry I should've checked first aa.
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For the record, I use MP Magneton on my latest team, and I've seen others use it too. I'm still wondering what you're going to give it instead of Levitate, but I see nothing wrong with nerfing it. I agree on Gyarados too... I see no reason to take anything away.
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sorry I should've checked first aa. I however, still don't see the reason simply losing levitate is better than the suggestions I made for maggy because mine are partially supposed to make its fight "weak" bigger.
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I have to agree with the populace here. Instead of hurting Magneton, we should help its enemies.
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I go away one day to L.A. and all this takes place? Bastards :( IMO this will make Maggy usage go down to virtually nil since everybody will be using P2 for Magnet Pulling (or Nosepass if you're cool :P) and Registeel for Special tanking.

I never had a problem with Flygon tbh <_< Get a Grass and everything is fine
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subscreechgon is cool.

And magneton will now go down to no use, I know I'm ditching mine.

I don't see why you think it gives skarm a buff, you added MP to P2 which is better then Maggie in the first place, and cooler. :/
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Aug 12 2006, 09:37 PM
I go away one day to L.A. and all this takes place? Bastards :( IMO this will make Maggy usage go down to virtually nil since everybody will be using P2 for Magnet Pulling (or Nosepass if you're cool :P) and Registeel for Special tanking.

I never had a problem with Flygon tbh <_< Get a Grass and everything is fine

I doubt you'll be thinking that agianst hp bug flygon now will you!
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I don't understand why everyone thinks standard Magneton isn't good, Skarm counter or no.

Seriously, you have to have fighting or fire to really get through to the thing now. That's not good. Also, it already has a trait in that slot before levitate. Gogo Sturdy.
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what about flash fire magneton >.>
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what about flash fire magneton >.>

No. Dear god no.
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Acutally that sounds interesting, because then it would be eq weka.

Also AEA if its HP Bug Flygon send in your flyer :-/
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Maggy seems to have lower HP, and terrible special defense. I have never had big difficulty handling one, so I don't see why other people would not either. If you do not have something to counter maggy, then you didnt build a balanced team. Thats like saying salamence is broken if you build a team without rock or ice moves. Your goal when building a team is to try and counter as many popular pokemon as you can while at the same time giving a decent offense. Maggy finally got to a good place, do not take it from him. I really have not seen many people complain about it, maybe they have when im not around, but if you are going to do something like that, at least do a vote or something with people who know what they are talking about.
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Magneton is a terrible pogey without good traits tbh. Sure it has resists but it has crap for HP/special defence, and the only thing it can do it hit stuff hard with Thunderbolt. A good trait is what sets Maggie apart from the half-decent electrics like Zapdos and friends.
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i agree with the flygon sub nerf
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Losing Sub just feels wrong for any Pokemon.

I'm with Tiger here...
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Losing Sub just feels wrong for any Pokemon.

I'm with Tiger here...

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take away fire blast
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I'm seriously considering making sub full out non-universal. Also, Raikou is already missing sub so it's not like it would be a first. Zapdos is a candidate to lose sub too for that matter.

Magnet Pull is already an above average trait. Magneton is above average regardless. Seriously, Magneton rapes teams as most of what can switch in on it really can't touch it, and it forces special Pokmeon to further whore fire moves.
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Magneton is hardly above average, besides Magnet Pull and its SA it doesnt really have much going for it, its HP is horrible, its SD is horrible, its movepool is bad, it has a nasty x4 weak thats the most common physical attack, it really needs Levitate.
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NEEDS it to be really used

As a MPer P2 is better, even though it 2HKO's skarm etc, but its better for the team. =/

Who the hell would use maggy after it loses levitate unless you want to ohko skarm.

regular maggy just takes up space on most teams v.v
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I said it before, I see nothing wrong with nerfing it, but at the same time I see nothing wrong with leaving it =\ Fire is already a pretty common movetype in this metagame. Why else would Espy use HP Fire as an option? Fighting is actually pretty common too if you think about it >_> As josh said, it's gotta be a weird team that doesn't use Fire or Fighting moves
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it's gotta be a weird team that doesn't use Fire or Fighting moves

yeah I really wanna waste a lot of my cross chop pp on subbing magneton.
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