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| squirtster | Aug 14 2006, 07:19 PM Post #61 |
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Tangela
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and i suppose it'd be better to waste eq pp on subbing magneton |
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| +BBM | Aug 14 2006, 09:09 PM Post #62 |
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hates crunk
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After being frozen 7 times against meddle's blissey: Trait 2, Blissey, Truant. I swear to god I fucking hate Serene Grace blissey with a passion. |
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| +hotdogturtle | Aug 14 2006, 09:14 PM Post #63 |
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Tangela
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Truant things shouldn't get a second trait. Make it the only option. |
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| +Sir Spanky | Aug 14 2006, 09:23 PM Post #64 |
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Less bananated than Shippou
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I quite like twink's suggestion of Soundproof. All it does is stop Blissey from healing itself with Heal Bell. Nothing is gonna roar blissey except soannoying's fag shuckle. Or there is always shed skin for a psuedo natural cure. |
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| +BBM | Aug 14 2006, 09:42 PM Post #65 |
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hates crunk
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Lol, fellow blissey hater. Hi5 |
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| meddle | Aug 14 2006, 10:28 PM Post #66 |
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use kingler
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I hated Bliss from the beginning... >_> |
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| +BBM | Aug 14 2006, 10:31 PM Post #67 |
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hates crunk
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And yet you whored it against me
Eh, I know you did though. *hi5's meddle* |
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| ATHFfreak | Aug 14 2006, 10:38 PM Post #68 |
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I'm close to being banned!!
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Bliss isnt that bad imo, especially since so much can ste up on it |
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| +Y2JosHBK | Aug 15 2006, 12:22 AM Post #69 |
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Bananated
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Bliss is pretty meh now unless youg et serene grace luck. |
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| +BBM | Aug 15 2006, 12:44 AM Post #70 |
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1/5 chance of freeze hax is way too much for my liking. Especially when I get frozen on every god damn time I try to switch something in to set up against it. |
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| meddle | Aug 15 2006, 03:05 AM Post #71 |
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use kingler
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Having 1/5 of Blissey's Ice Beams freeze is enough to make anyone soil his undies! |
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| +Phiddlesticks | Aug 18 2006, 07:39 AM Post #72 |
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CHIME CHIME
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my suggestions: Dewgong- Moonlight Seriously, Dewgong would be used a lot more if it just got this one move. A healing move other than Rest has been requested since the days of Haze Milotic, and it would make it go up there with Lapras and Walrein in usability, without being broken. It has some excellent potential with Bulk Up, Megahorn, Encore, Sing, Yawn, Roar, Surf, Ice Beam, Perish Song, and hell, even Disable, but it has to rely on Rest as it’s only healing move. With Moonlight, a physical set would be opened up with Bulk Up/Moonlight/2 physical moves, as well as a general support set consisting of all the moves I listed above. Also, I know everybody has been suggesting Slack Off, but Moonlight seems to fit Dewgong more imo. Beedrill-Reversal Beedrill got some cool stuff like Baton Pass, Levitate, and Rock Slide with the mods, but what it really needs is POWER. Reversal is just what Beedrill is looking for. It allows Beedrill to handle those pesky Steel types like Magneton and Registeel, and it’s also very fitting for an aggressive bee Pokemon. Beedrill-Silver Wind This should have been on Beedrill since the beginning. Its cocoon counterpart, Butterfree, gets it, and so do the R/S counterparts. It gives Beedrill more options for physical moves, and allows it to have its Hidden Power set to something useful like Ghost or Ground. Butterfree-Blizzard and/or Thunder Compoundeyes. Currently, the only thing Butterfree has over Ledian is Sleep Powder and Morning Sun. Believe me, that’s saying something. Butterfree has somewhat-decene Special Attack, and with these moves being abused with Compoundeyes, Butterfree could easily get some use. Sandslash-Spikes ”Sandslash’s body is covered by tough spikes, which are hardened sections of its hide. Once a year, the old spikes fall out, to be replaced with new spikes that grow out beneath the old ones.” – Sandslash’s Ruby Pokedex info Read this, and tell me honestly that Spikes doesn’t make sense on Sandslash. Ninetales-Morning Sun Ninetales was supposed to be one of the more defensive fire types, right? It has a great supportive movepool with moves such as Hypnosis, Roar, Will-o-wisp, Haze, Charm, Perish Song, and Disable, but, like Dewgong, it has to rely on Rest as its only healing move. With Morning Sun, I’m almost positive Ninetales would see more use. Vileplume-Focus Punch Currently, Vileplume is now an inferiour Meganium, an inferior Venusaur, and even an inferior Roselia. Focus Punch allows it to have a bit more variety in its moveset, and could even allow Vileplume to become dubbed “The Physical Grass Supporter”. Also, I would like to note that Vileplume has bigger fists than the likes of Chansey, Wigglytuff, Furret, and several other Focus Punchers. Venomoth-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam If Venomoth had just a bit more in terms of special movepool, it would be used more. I’m sure of it. It gets some really cool stuff in Sleep Powder, Growth, Baton Pass, etc, and it has a good special attack. However, it only has Psychic and Hidden Power for a special movepool. Neither of which get stab. Persian-Howl Persian is REALLY speedy, and it has a fairly good physical movepool. I was going to suggest giving it Swords Dance, but then I looked back at its movepool and immediately saw how insanely good Persian would be. Howl, on the other hand, seems very fitting. Persian already gets Curse, which also raises its attack, but it’s a shame Curse lowers your amazing speed too ._. Slowking-Wish Slowking is inferior to Slowbro in almost every way. Slowking has Encore – that’s it. Wish seems really appropriate for Slowking; in the anime, Slowking is seen as some sort of guru with cosmic powers. Now, I’m not suggesting Cosmic Power at all because Slowking already has awesome defenses, but Wish looks like it would help Slowking be a team player 8) Muk-Earthquake Muk already gets Dig. Seriously though, EQ is just an option on Muk to hit the Poison types on the switch in. Basically, Muk deserved more from the mods than Bubblebeam and Liquid Ooze (not that I am dissing Ooze at all here, but Muk deserves more). Lickitung-Calm Mind I honestly can’t think of anything that will make Lickitung better without breaking it, but I have to try, because, let’s face it. Lickitung sucks. It does, however, get a decent special movepool, so why not make use of it with Calm Mind? Lickitung-Softboiled Ok, I thought it had this before, but I guess I was wrong. It should have this. If it doesn’t have this, I will EAT MY OWN SHOE. And by “shoe”, I mean “breakfast”. Seriously though, Lickitung deserves this so it can at least be on par with Mawile or something ._. Mr. Mime-Pain Split/Recover Mimey would really like a healing move. Pain Split seems like just the thing to give Mime more use (it’s like Kingler all over again :o). Recover makes more sense on Mime to me, but Pain Split just seems REALLY appealing. Again, Mime has a whole bunch of awesome moves, but has to rely on Rest for recovery. Gligar-Reversal Gligar is an overlooked Pokemon with awesome typing and traits. However, it still does not see much use. This reminds me of Kabutops before it got Reversal, where people just overlooked it for seemingly no reason at all. Reversal made Kabutops shine, so why not Gligar? Shiftry-Focus Punch Shiftry, Breloom and Victreebel are supposed to be the 3 physical attacking grass types. Victreebel got a handful of moves, including Air Cutter, Rock Slide, and Brick Break. Breloom was already the best of the 3, so he got nothing. Shiftry, being the worst of the 3 before the mods, got Earthquake. That’s it for physical attacking. Shiftry is really cool, and Focus Punch just allows it to be even MORE cool (I didn’t even know it was possible). Shiftry-Guts (Trait 2) Victreebel got Hyper Cutter, Breloom got Shield Dust. Shiftry should get a new trait because Shiftry is REALLY cool. Guts just gives people even more of a reason to use Shiftry. Swellow-Brick Break/Submission I know, I know, Swellow already has something the other birds don’t: Speed. The thing is, all the cool kids got something nice. Fearow got Dragon Dance, Pidgeot got Extremespeed, Farfetch’d got Pure Power, and even Dodrio got Double Kick. Swellow got Fake Tears ._. Okay, not really, Swellow got Drill Peck, Morning Sun, and Baton Pass too. BUT A LOT OF THE OTHER BIRDS HAVE THOSE. Swellow just needs something to boost up his usability, or to make people see the light, so to speak. I suggested Superpower earlier, and I looked back at it seeing how crazy it would be. It would be really crazy, if you hadn’t noticed. Guts + CB + Super Power + base 125 speed is really crazy. Brick Break and Submission, on the other hand, aren’t so crazy. |
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| +Sir Spanky | Aug 18 2006, 09:01 AM Post #73 |
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Less bananated than Shippou
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Pain Split Mime would be so awesome <3 |
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| osmbv tiger | Aug 18 2006, 10:44 AM Post #74 |
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I like all of those, but I still don't think they'd help any of the pokemon get much mroe use, with a possible exception of Sandslash. The rest are still inferior to so many other things. |
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| arielby | Aug 18 2006, 11:38 AM Post #75 |
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Shelgon
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You like to hurt flygon??? Replace it trait on 1st slot to Sandstream Otherwise Replace it trait on 2nd slot to Sandstream
Add to flygon the move sing (&perish song)
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| +Jolteon | Aug 18 2006, 12:36 PM Post #76 |
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Army of fgts
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Raichu, Move, Fire Punch. Please. Give it this. :/ This server has negated Boltbeam to the point where fire+electric>electric+ice. It's not broken, either. And Fire Punch is worth using on it. |
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| +Bugsy23 | Aug 18 2006, 01:49 PM Post #77 |
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The Future
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It's not the server, Tails, it's Registeel and Magneton. |
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| +Jolteon | Aug 18 2006, 01:56 PM Post #78 |
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Army of fgts
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Check Twinks' post. <_< |
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(21:51:38) meddle: jolteon beats sandslash (21:51:45) meddle: but both beat shuckle ^the truth
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| osmbv tiger | Aug 18 2006, 02:42 PM Post #79 |
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Delibird
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It's not just the Steels. Ice in general was weakened, and that's definitely not what needed to happen. Thunderbolt always was the better of the two attacks, while Ice Beam was only used for Dragon/Ground/Grass. Keep in mind that Salamence is almost non-existant here, Dragonite use has been shot to hell thanks to Magneton, Lati@s doesn't really care about non-STAB Ice Beams, Donphan/Claydol usage has dropped due to the influx of other non-Ground spinners and of course Magneton, and all the Grasses that were weak to Ice Beam are weak to Fire anyway. There's also the fact that in 386, the only BoltBeamers that preferred Ice Beam to Thunderbolt were Regice and Lapras, and Regice doesn't even have Bolt anymore. The spots on movesets that used to be HP Ice now have to consider Fire/Grass more than ever before, for Maggie and Cash/Sire respectively. Even the bulky Waters are better off with Surf and a random filler than Ice Beam these days since Salamence faded out and Registeel took its place. Flygon is about the only reason left to keep Ice Beam (unless you're Regice/Lapras/Jynx). </end rant> |
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| +Amazing Ampharos | Aug 18 2006, 04:21 PM Post #80 |
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Tangela
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Dewgong- Moonlight Eh, probably. Would it be enough to make you all shut up about Dewgong? Beedrill-Reversal Maybe, it's better than most Beedrill suggestions at least. Beedrill-Silver Wind Eh, maybe again. I guess it's more powerful than Twineedle... Butterfree-Blizzard and/or Thunder I dislike Thunder on Butterfree, but Blizzard sounds coolish and in-theme. Sandslash-Spikes You should know I fear the spread of spikes. It will be considered. Ninetales-Morning Sun IMO beyond salvation and even worse than some of the cocoon bugs at core concept, but there's no way this or anything would ever break this useless thing. I'm thinking of Recover even... Vileplume-Focus Punch Eh, maybe. I'll look into Vileplume and his Venusaur/Meganium equilibrium. Also, he's no inferior Roselia as he has the stats. Venomoth-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam I'll look into giving him some more specal stuff. Persian-Howl Amazingly, fair and balanced. Slowking-Wish Slowking has Haze in the mods which Slowbro does not. I'll consider Wish, but people underestimate the king IMO. Muk-Earthquake I don't know... Lickitung-Calm Mind Not what the tung needs at all. I'll see if I can help him, but, as you said, it's very hard. Lickitung-Softboiled Maybe. Mr. Mime-Pain Split/Recover Mr. Mime is already really scary on BP teams. I fear buffing him more. Gligar-Reversal I don't think reversal is the correct direction for old, defensive Gligar. Shiftry-Focus Punch I'll look into it. Shiftry-Guts (Trait 2) Early Bird is already such a cool trait though... Swellow-Brick Break/Submission I'll look into something, but Swellow was the best bird before the mods so it should only naturally get the least. |
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| +Crunk Juice | Aug 18 2006, 04:27 PM Post #81 |
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bbm is (super) gay
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Guts shirftry sounds nice |
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| osmbv tiger | Aug 18 2006, 04:37 PM Post #82 |
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Delibird
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Dewgong- Moonlight No, we'll shut up when Dewgong is good. Which will be never. Beedrill-Reversal Beedrill-Silver Wind Just do it... Butterfree-Blizzard and/or Thunder Agreed. Sandslash-Spikes I'd rather have other things lose Spikes than let Sandslash go without it. I like logical mods. Ninetales-Morning Sun Works for me. I'd also go for Thunderbolt as none of the FlameBolters I can think of offhand get STAB on either half. Vileplume-Focus Punch Roselia's moves > Vileplume's stats. I really just don't think Vileplume will ever accomplish anything while Meganium, Exeggutor, and Roselia are around. Venomoth-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam Good. Persian-Howl K. I still like all the other suggestions for Persian on top of this. Slowking-Wish HazeKing can't boost its own stats, which is all it really has over Vaporeon. It's an unhappy medium IMO, so it deserves more. Then again, Vappy gets Wish too. Meh. Muk-Earthquake Eh. Don't care. Lickitung-Calm Mind Lickitung-Softboiled It already gets damn near everything. This won't help, nor will anything else short of Spore and Pure Power. Mr. Mime-Pain Split/Recover Mime WAS scary, but now Shuckle fills Mime's old role just fine, Espeon was always much scarier as a Psychic BPer, and all the new Soundproof Pokemon make Mime less necessary. Gligar-Reversal It's not the wrong direction either... Shiftry-Focus Punch Shiftry-Guts (Trait 2) Early Bird isn't that cool unless you're Early Resting, and Shiftry does deserve more. Swellow-Brick Break/Submission I say give it Brick Break. Meh. |
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| X-Act | Aug 19 2006, 02:52 AM Post #83 |
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The problem with Blissey is not that it has Serene Grace, it's that it has Ice Beam with Serene Grace. If you're afraid of 20% Freeze Bliss (I am too), how about making Ice Beam illegal instead of removing Serene Grace? After all, seriously, look at Blissey, and tell me how the hell can it use Ice Beam? :/ Sometimes Nintendo give things to Pokemon that don't make sense... If Bliss wants an Ice move, it can always HP Ice. So my suggestion is Illegal, Blissey, Ice Beam. |
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| +Crunk Juice | Aug 19 2006, 03:04 AM Post #84 |
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bbm is (super) gay
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Burns suck too, and disable things which could hit blissey. Just remove SG please. |
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| Okashi | Aug 19 2006, 06:56 AM Post #85 |
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Edmond Dantés
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Yeah, we should remove Serene Grace and make it Inner Focus or something. Seriously, Blissey is good enough without these good traits. |
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| Resum | Aug 19 2006, 10:32 AM Post #86 |
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sry commies sux
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Just give her like, Run Away and Pick up, =/ |
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| +Jolteon | Aug 19 2006, 11:01 AM Post #87 |
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Army of fgts
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Thick Fat is ok, but SG is just gay. ;x |
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| Soannoying | Aug 19 2006, 04:33 PM Post #88 |
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THEhammer
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to be finished I guess |
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| +BBM | Aug 19 2006, 06:59 PM Post #89 |
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Wtf are you talking about? It was outclassed by Dodrio in every way except speed. |
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| +Bugsy23 | Aug 19 2006, 07:03 PM Post #90 |
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The Future
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Substitute/Baton Pass/Endeavor/Quick Attack Swellow is an awesome moveset. I use that in Ubers lol... |
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