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Topic Started: Oct 29 2006, 03:52 AM (2,703 Views)
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I say just ban the combo Calm Mind/Baton Pass or Swords Dance/Baton Pass. Pick one, or the other, or neither. It keeps CM and Swords Dance for setting up then sweeping, and keeps Baton Pass for passing other stuff.
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The thing is, with celebi out of the way as a CM BPer, the other ones not called espeon will still not be used much, as espy outclasses them all. Or that is how I see it.
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I'd like to know what Celebi would be left with if it loses Baton Pass. I don't see much else but something like CM/HP Grass/Psychic/Recover or Heal Bell/Recover/Psychic/CM.

Blissey still does belling better than Celebi imo, and I doubt we will see much CMsweep Celebi if it loses Baton Pass
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Nov 6 2006, 08:38 PM
I'd like to know what Celebi would be left with if it loses Baton Pass. I don't see much else but something like CM/HP Grass/Psychic/Recover or Heal Bell/Recover/Psychic/CM.

Blissey still does belling better than Celebi imo, and I doubt we will see much CMsweep Celebi if it loses Baton Pass

Yeah, espeon has more speed and sp atk than celebi, so I don't see celebi doing that, and there are several things better at physical attacking than celebi.
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Espeon can't take a hit nowhere near as well as Celebi which causes it to be so succesful in its baton passing.
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^ and without Baton Pass, it's limited to being an average Heal Beller
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Nov 7 2006, 06:12 PM
^ and without Baton Pass, it's limited to being an average Heal Beller

Becuase CM/SD are definately not awesome set up moves that work great with Celebi's stats and movepool.
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But as people pointed out, sure Celebi is bulky, but it won't be doing much with Swords Dance/Shadow Ball/HP Fite except get walled, and Espeon/friends do a much better job of CM/Psychic/etc.
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Spanky I hope you realize you look like one of the most perverted members on the forum.

Your avatar is perverted (although lol)
Your custom title is "boobs"
Your signature deals with your penis.
That thing under your signature deals with shemales that finger themselves and jack off at the same time.

Anyways, I still think Sweeper Celebi is a definitely viable option because lets face it, Celebi never ever ever ever dies, and with Baton Pass at the moment, it's still that gay thing we all hate to face in standard.
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I agree with all the points in the above post
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just make BP illegal with CM or SD. removing it all together would kinda ruin it
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Ruin Celebi? I never thought I'd hear those words.

Also Im with BBM on this one, without BP it still has many options. I also feel we shafted Jirachi without killing Celebi too much
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frak brings up a good point. I only ever see Jirachi in CC anymore
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Spanky I hope you realize you look like one of the most perverted members on the forum.

Your avatar is perverted (although lol)
Your custom title is "boobs"
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That thing under your signature deals with shemales that finger themselves and jack off at the same time.

Yeah lol I have mentioned that before, but all werwe a coincidence I swear :P
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Nov 7 2006, 07:48 PM
just make BP illegal with CM or SD. removing it all together would kinda ruin it

I'm wondering what you would have Celebi pass ._.

The only thing I see would be sub, and there are better subpassers out there. DT is gay, and the rest of the stat-up moves really aren't worth it. Hey guys, let's hope for an AP boost so I can pass it lol.

When you think Celebi, you don't think special sweeper. I think most of us here would immediately turn to Espeon, etc. as Spanky said. Would you really use Celebi if it lost Baton Pass? >_>
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just make BP illegal with CM or SD. removing it all together would kinda ruin it


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More Meditate, less Swords Dance.
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More Meditate Sharpen, less Swords Dance.

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pff..."or"...i dont' see the point. it's not like the bp set uses both. seems like an ok nerf to me if that's what you guys want ._.
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if you make it one of the other, it wont be able to pass, but it can still sweep with its desired stat.
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A Celebii without BP is dead weight. Sure it makes him a dick, but it's all he's got.
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Celebi is fine without BP, especially compared to a lot of Pokémon atm. =/
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as tails said, BPless Celery is still pretty scary. Just be thankful it never got Wish, otherwise, nothing on your entire team would ever die.
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Squiser is just a fan of the Celebi/Dugtrio/Skarm/Bliss/Suicune/Random sweeper teams.
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I have to agree with celebi nerfingh. Celebi is easily a bitch to take out. Losing baton pass just wouldnt hurt it too bad. It can do other things. People around our forums are just too scared to try new things. Celebi can do things, nuff said.
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Shuckle is stupid and needs to go away. The only viable way to kill Shuckle is by stat-ups, and Shuckle just roars those away.
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Shuckle is stupid and needs to go away. The only viable way to kill Shuckle is by stat-ups, and Shuckle just roars those away.

What is the point of shuckle other than to stop sweepers. The only way it deals any damage is with toxic. Shuckle is well shuckle style weak. If you really want it to die you status it after the opposing team's heal beller is dead. statusing shuckle greatly retards its ability to survive. The other option would be to use rock or water sweepers.
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Shuckle is stupid and needs to go away. The only viable way to kill Shuckle is by stat-ups, and Shuckle just roars those away.

What is the point of shuckle other than to stop sweepers. The only way it deals any damage is with toxic. Shuckle is well shuckle style weak. If you really want it to die you status it after the opposing team's heal beller is dead. statusing shuckle greatly retards its ability to survive. The other option would be to use rock or water sweepers.

That'd be very nice. If spikes didn't exist.
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Nov 7 2006, 07:48 PM
just make BP illegal with CM or SD. removing it all together would kinda ruin it

Actually bbm...i was right. this is suggesting both Illegal, Celebi, Baton Pass and Swords Dance and Illegal, Celebi, Baton Pass and Calm Mind. If this gets implemented, Celebi has nothing to pass, and I still stand by the fact that there are better sweeper alternatives.
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Celebi can still do a lot of stuff without CM/SD passing.

It can still run a support set except now without leech seed you can put a random move like Calm Mind/Toxic/whatever and run Heal Bell/Recover/Psychic/Calm Mind

It can also go physical with Swords Dance/HP boxing/Shadow Ball/Recover and since it never dies it can pull it off.

There's also the basic sweeper celebi w/ Psychic+HP Grass which basically has no weak except like bug attacks if you pump its HP + Defense.

Very few teams have bug moves which are about the only thing that can smack celebi down. With Baton Pass, even if the opponent does have a bug move it can just Baton Pass away.

As for shuckle, I wouldn't mind a nerf but I still think its just a gay excuse for a pokemon. I myself never really have a problem with it.
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