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Unofficial BW Mod discussion: OP Abilities; (but not the banned ones)
Topic Started: Oct 7 2011, 11:45 AM (439 Views)
+Sandslash
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so we already agreed we're removing sandstream from ttar and sand rush from exca because they're op, but the thing is, what pokes should have these traits instead? and how many pokes should have them?

first the abilities we agreed on banning from standard play
Moody
Drizzle
Drought
Shadow Tag

what we're considering banning
Sand Veil
Snow Cloak

list of op abilities in my opinion, feel free to add your own:
Snow Warning
Sandstream
Sand Rush
Arena Trap
Pure Power
Huge Power
Magic Bounce
Speed Boost
Wonder Guard

what pokemon should have which ability (in my opinion)
Snow Warning: only 3 pokes should have this imo, suggesting abomasnow, articuno, and rotom-f

Sandstream: again only 3 pokes, suggesting cradily, camerupt and hippowdon

Sand Rush: 5 pokes, sandslash, stoutland, kabutops, marowak, and cacturne
kabutops to make up for the loss of drizzle+ss, sandslash and stout because they already have it, cacturne because it's badass. marowak because i don't think anything else helps it but i'm still not sure, it might be even stronger than exca rofl

Arena Trap: Dugtrio only
because bbm scares me

Pure Power: 2, medicham and iono

Huge Power:2, azumarill and farfetch'd

Magic Bounce: 3, espeon, xatu and girafarig

Speed Boost: 3, ninjask, blaziken(we're removing baton pass). and rapidash

Wonder Guard: shedijna only duh

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+Sir Spanky
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Cradilly with Sandstream would be horrible imo. He just would NOT die to any special move. Camerupt with Weather ball is necessary for nostalgia for sure!

Speed Boost Pokemon should lose protect/detect imo. I would also consider Blaziken losing Swords Dance.

Apart from that I think I agree, but you know I feel all evasion traits (Sand Veil especially) should be banned as well.
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and that's exactly why i suggested cradily, what else can it do other than not die to anything lol

blaziken losing swords dance would make it worthless, remember it'll probably die after one flareblitz hit or hjk miss <_< baton pass is what made it uber (sboost ken is allowed in wifi because it doesn't have bp right?)
also i don't mind them losing protect

and since we banned moody because it raises evasion, i don't see why sand veil shouldn't follow lolz. but we should probably keep snow cloak to help ice pokes

added sand veil and snow cloak as 'mebe b4nd'
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Ban:

Sand Veil
Snow Cloak
Tangled Feet (not that confuse is common but evasion is gay)
Moody
Shadow Tag


Ubers only:

Drought
Drizzle

Shedinja ONLY:

Wonder Guard

No Sand Rush Marowak, wtf. >__>

As far as abilities that are extremely good (huge power/speed boost) etc. go, I think with careful balancing we could allow them still. Good examples from Adv mod imo are Farfetch'd and Sneasel (gave him a really cool role and made him interesting despite no stat changes).

Still not sure what to think of Magic Bounce, it is an extremely good trait but I can't really deny it's strategic merit and thus the depth it brings. I think we should test how it effects our metagame before doing anything with it.
(21:51:38) meddle: jolteon beats sandslash
(21:51:45) meddle: but both beat shuckle

^the truth

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+Sandslash
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hehe, i agree sand rush wak will be broken, i just can't see any other way to make him good atm (dragon dance)
and i don't see why tangled feet should be banned lol, if your opponent is relying on hax then why shouldn't you

and i think all abilities should be allowed in uber
Edited by Sandslash, Oct 8 2011, 09:54 AM.
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fair point on tangled feet lol, I think ubers would be better if crap like moody/sand veil weren't there.

dd wak seems like a good idea, it needs speed more than attack.
(21:51:38) meddle: jolteon beats sandslash
(21:51:45) meddle: but both beat shuckle

^the truth

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also castform should get snow warning and sandstream too!

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