| My Tribe Sucks; 1/20/12 1:40 am | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 20 2012, 12:44 AM (87 Views) | |
| Kate | Jan 20 2012, 12:44 AM Post #1 |
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Despite the fact that I was picked last (besides the no-show), which sends me a message loud and clear right off the bat, I'm also stuck on a tribe with Ryan, Bobby Jon, and Andy, who apparently know each other fairly well outside of the game. Wonderful. I wanted Bobby Jon gone already, but then he basically lost us the challenge by either not reading the directions or thinking he could get away with cheating. The guy didn't practice until AFTER the challenge, and he still hasn't posted his photo in the photo challenge thread... well after the deadline. And somehow, just SOMEHOW, my tribe isn't sure if he's the best person to vote off??? If it's not him, it's me. I get that. This open ID thing might be the death of me. Also, Helen, Helen, Helen... I will now backstab you the second I get the chance. If you were smart, you WOULD vote me out, but I'm not going to give you any reason to suspect you are on my hit list. I'm gonna be extra nice to you now. I tell you things because you want to strategize and then you run and rat me out to Ryan? Tsk tsk tsk. And then you admit it to one of my biggest allies? Word travels, dear. (Helen told Big Mike I'm uneasy about the fact that he knows so many people, and now Big Mike isn't even responding to my messages) So, we could be looking at a tie. Pam has straight up said she will force one if need be. Helen told Pam the same thing, but I think Helen is slippery. She does seem tighter with Pam than she does with me. I just need to Survive this tribe. I have other things waiting for me on the other side... like T-Bird (who is working on getting Big Mike to vote out Bobby Jon) and JR and maybe even Ibrehem. But Helen? I can't wait to vote her out now!!! |
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| BROBST | Jan 20 2012, 12:59 AM Post #2 |
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So, are people realizing how huge a factor it is to be able to message any player on any tribe? How are you handling the various agendas that people could have on other tribes about what takes place with this upcoming Kamedo first vote? |
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| Kate | Jan 20 2012, 01:10 AM Post #3 |
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I don't know if anyone is trying to take me out... but I know there are a handful of people that want me to stay. Newman has supposedly gotten confirmation from Big Mike that he is voting out Bobby Jon. I'm also keeping in touch with JR. The interesting thing is I have allies that aren't in my tribe... and I'm sure I'm not the only one. All I can do right now is hope. Bobby Jon has done a horrible job with this game so far. The only thing that is saving him is the fact that Big Mike is his friend outside of the game... and Helen didn't help by telling Mike he makes me nervous. I just have to pretend nothing is wrong, but Helen is no longer on my good list. Not even close. |
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| Kate | Jan 20 2012, 02:10 AM Post #4 |
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Update: 1/20/12 3:16 am So, I need to get something constructive going on with Big Mike. If things go well, it will presumably be Bobby Jon followed by Andy going, because Pam promised Big Mike she won't vote him out. :rolleyes: So I need him to want to work with me. We are stuck together. If it gets down to it, I will even vote Helen out before him... if I am forced to. I just need the guy to at least talk to me. Is he so scared to talk to me just because Helen said I was "leery" of him? God, EVERYONE has been saying they are "leery" of him. Everyone is "leery" of everyone. I also can't rely on Newman to get me out of binds all game, or else Newman wins the game against me in the end. I am GOOD at the diplomacy aspect of this game. It is one of my strong points. If I can't rely on it to protect me, I am doomed. I feel like being picked last severely damaged my confidence. And then finding out Helen had passed on what I said to her, pretty much crippled me. I have to shake that and do what I always do if I want to survive this thing. I've learned not to trust Helen as much as I did. Time to learn and move on.... like I always do. The bottom line, I'm letting this open ID thing get to me too much. I have the ability to do well if I just stop worrying so much. That said, I decided to handle Big Mike myself... without the help of Newman, without relying on Allie... and without bringing up what Helen told him.... but still addressing the issue second hand. Here's what I sent him. We'll see how he responds. I think, ultimately, Bobby Jon will go first. But I need to do damage control and look beyond that. I am not in a good situation on this tribe. I need to up my stock with Mike. "Hey Mike. I noticed you didn't respond after our earlier conversation. I'm assuming voting Bobby Jon out might be hard for you because of the open ID thing? That's the hard part of this game. It took me a while to get over that myself. I've been scared of anyone I might have played with before that might hold grudges against me, etc. What I've learned is everyone seems to be starting with a clean slate. I've actually been able to have some really good conversations with some of them. I can only ask, if you didn't know who anyone was, what would you do in this situation? Bobby Jon hasn't even posted his photo challenge pic yet... and the deadline is well past over. He didn't practice for the photo challenge until AFTER the challenge was over, and his post didn't count because he didn't know how to do it right. We lost. In any other game, he would be the clear first target. I really hope you want to work with me. We worked together before. We are on the same tribe. And I think we could do very well together. It just seems like you don't want to talk to me or something, and I'm not sure why. If we can forget the open ID thing and play the best game we both know how, we have a good shot at getting far with this tribe. I'd really like to get a dialogue started." |
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| Kate | Jan 21 2012, 10:37 PM Post #5 |
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Update: 1/21/12 11:33 pm So Helen told Pam that her "woman's intuition" tells her to watch out for me... that I might turn on her down the road. Helen is trying to turn Pam into her BFF... and lucky for me, Pam is MY BFF and is reporting everything she says BACK to me. Helen is tight with Ryan. She thinks she is tight with Pam. Pam is tight with me. I'm trying to become tight with Ryan. Helen thinks I think I am tight with her. It's a mess. One thing I can say is Helen is trying to control the social situation here. So, there are a few ways to combat that. 1. Pam is letting Helen think they are tighter than Pam is with me. She's also letting her think that she wants to keep Big Mike around longer than me. Meanwhile, I'm playing dumb to everything. To Mike, I'm going to talk about how much I like Helen. Because word will most likely get back to Helen. To Helen, I'm going to talk about how much I like Mike. 2. A four-way alliance has been proposed of me, Helen, Pam, and Ryan. We are all acting like we are excited about it, but it is a front, because Helen is not excited to work with me and I am not excited to work with Helen and Ryan probably wishes he was working with Andy and Bobby Jon instead. But the appearance of unity must be kept in place to keep me safe. They all have to think I think they are with me... even though I know they aren't. I have to keep Big Mike feeling like I want to work with him. I also have to make Helen think nothing is wrong. I want Helen out of this game. And it's a shame, because I wanted to work with her. |
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| Kate | Jan 22 2012, 11:24 PM Post #6 |
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Update: 1/23/12 12:25 am Ok, so the first tribal council of the game is over and the good news is I was not the first person voted out. Everyone voted the way they were supposed to. Even Bobby Jon voted for himself by receiving a penalty. I do feel better... for now. I think I'm safe on this tribe. I think Helen and Ryan both know they are safe with me and Pam at the moment, and I think everyone realizes this is a temporary stage of the game. Why rock the boat when you are safe? Do I want to work with Helen after this phase? NO. Do I want to work with Ryan? Probably not, unless he really starts talking to me more in a way that makes me think he truly wants to work with me. As of now, I'm still all about Pam and Newman. JR is growing on me fast. I think there are a lot of people I could potentially work with. Helen is not one of them, unless she really grows on me, or unless I get desperate. Meanwhile, JR has informed me that Crystal is talking smack on me. I still want Crystal gone. And for that matter, I still want Randy gone. Let's see if Helen can redeem herself. |
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| BROBST | Jan 23 2012, 12:33 AM Post #7 |
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Love this from your previous entry:
Soooooooo..... How would you compare the Kamedo tribe to any other tribes you've been on in the past? Similar dynamics? Or very different? |
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| Kate | Jan 23 2012, 01:41 AM Post #8 |
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Well, let's recap. I've played in four of your previous games. In Belize, I got off to a slow start, but I made the connections I needed to to survive until the merge, which is where I really took over. In that game, Ryan and Helen had most of the control of the tribe. I stayed under the radar and made some ties aside from the two of them... like to Leslie and Tyson. It was enough to float by and take everyone by surprise when the first opening appeared. Ryan went and then I used my idol to solidify a new alliance post-merge. I actually feel kind of the same way about this tribe. I'm just biding my time. I do have a little more control this time, but it's not coming from me. It's coming from teaming up with Pam. Pam probably has more control than anyone on my tribe. I only have control THROUGH her. Basically, Andy goes next. Helen thinks I would go after Andy, but that's not the case. I think Helen would go after Andy because Pam promised Mike she wouldn't vote him out and she won't vote me out. I doubt Mike would force a tie to save Helen, especially if I keep trying to act like I want to work with him. It's nothing more than putting himself in danger for no reason. The only reason I am safe on this tribe is because Helen thinks she's closer to Pam than she really is, Pam is telling me everything Helen says, and I'm pretending not to know. Helen thinks she is in control... but Pam is holding cards. Compared to Belize, I have more control, but just a little, and like Belize, I see this tribe as a temporary alignment necessary just to survive to the next stage, where I will do what I need to do. In the Office, I was able to have a ton of control over my opening tribe by forming a strong alliance with Oscar and then pulling in some of the early targets to take out the threat that was Creed. I pulled Ryan onto my side... for a while, but lost control after the merge because Jan jumped ship. My biggest problem in that game was that my tribe actually won TOO MUCH. Though, I gained a good amount of control back by getting Pam on my side. It ended up turning into a Cold War of sorts until Pam stabbed me in the back. Opening tribe though? I had a lot of control, unlike this game. LOST was different because opening tribes were so small. In LOST, I ended up the most powerful person on my opening tribe because both Charlie and Libby were basically giving me the decision of who got voted out at three. Of course, we merged into larger tribes before then, at which point I had control until Libby pulled a power move. That was a weird dynamic. I'm not sure how to compare anything to that. But still, early on, I had more control than I have now. In Siberia, I was able to form a tight alliance with Ace and a tight alliance with Dave. And I was able to pit them against each other a bit so that I would have better lines of communication than either of them. I felt very much in a position of control... not dominant control, but control over my fate and a decent amount of influence over the fate of others. It put me in a really good position come merge time. Again, way more control than I have this game. So ultimately, there you have it. I feel like this time around, I have less control than I did on any of my othe tribes, other than Belize. |
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| Kate | Jan 24 2012, 12:59 AM Post #9 |
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Update: 1/24/12 1:53 am I hate group messages. They are too much work and are hard to keep up with. They also clutter inboxes. I especially hate stupid group messages with lame jokes and small talk comprising of one-liners. Unfortunately, you will see what I'm talking about when you go through the inboxes of my tribe next. Also unfortunately, I can't not respond, or else I alienate myself from my tribe. Ugh. :rolleyes: Also, Jean-Robert is now talking about a "rough draft" of an alliance including me, him, Pam, and Helen. Meanwhile, Jack sent Helen a message with "advice," telling her she should work with me and Pam because the "power players" should stick together. I know this because Helen told me, not Jack. Here's where the open ID/open communication comes into play and makes things weird. As far as JR is concerned, I don't want to tell him too much because he says he talks to Helen a lot.... but I have to get the idea across to him that she talks to Ryan and also that she tells people things you tell her. Hopefully, the fact that I said that to him won't get back to her. As far as Jack goes, I don't like the fact that Jack did that. Melissa is flexing her muscles... just like Newman did with Big Mike. But Newman ran what he said to Big Mike BY ME. Melissa thinks she is so good at manipulating people that she can give them "advice" and they'll just follow it. I didn't need Melissa to talk to Helen. Helen is under control. I had no idea Melissa was going to do that, and had she ran it by me, I would have told her not to. Now, Helen is going to wonder why Jack would want her to work with me and Pam. Is it because Jack wants to protect us? Are Pam and I tighter than Pam and Helen? Are we talking to Jack? Helen now has things to ponder that I don't need her pondering... especially since I'm not working with Jack anyway. Maybe Melissa purposely did it to sabbotage me. Maybe she really wanted to help me. Either way, the result might be worse for me than good. I did explain it away a bit. I told Helen that Melissa must have some sort of agenda and I told her we should keep the fact that we are working together under wraps. Helen asked me if people think they can sway her to do their bidding because they don't know her, and I honestly said they probably do... especially players like Melissa. |
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| BROBST | Jan 24 2012, 02:28 AM Post #10 |
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Yep. Me too. That's why I try to warn people about them. But I know how much people ACTUALLY listen to me, even though I DO know what I'm talking about.
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| Kate | Jan 24 2012, 02:39 AM Post #11 |
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Update: 1/24/12 3:30 am I am talking to Newman on Facebook chat. We're comparing notes. Turns out, while JR is proposing one alliance to me, he is proposing a different alliance to Newman that involves Sawyer. Funny how you can catch people double dealing. God, this is why I don't want to give people information. Everyone is talking to everyone, and tribes mean very little right now. Meanwhile, Newman and I are both in agreement that Helen is dangerous. The thing is, right now, she doesn't think I suspect her of that. Newman thinks we should vote her out before Andy. That is dangerous. There's no convincing the people on my tribe to do that in a conventional manner. If I tell Andy and Ryan to vote for Helen - Andy, Ryan, and Helen will vote me out. On the other hand, if we let everyone vote the way they are supposed to, Newman brings up a valid point... Pam and I can change our votes to Helen. It would be two votes Andy, two votes Helen, and one vote for whoever Andy votes for... which could very well be me. That would mean Helen and Andy don't get to revote and Pam and I would outnumber Ryan on the re-vote (though I'm going to study your tie-breaker rules long and hard before making such a decision). That would work, yes. BUT, it would piss off Ryan. While it would save Andy, he'd still be out of the loop. My tribe would be in shambles. It would also maybe make JR mad if I pull it off without telling him first. It would remind people how aggressive I am. PLUS, Pam probably doesn't want Helen gone this early. She thinks we have Helen under control. Not to mention, I need to be making decisions on my own, not just doing what Newman wants. I will bring this up to Pam, but I'm not so sure it's a good idea. |
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