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| Kate | Feb 17 2012, 12:23 AM Post #1 |
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So every time I'm supposed to make a big move, I don't have to. LOL. I didn't have to vote Newman out, and now, I didn't have to orchestrate the Melissa vote.... because Jill jumped in and did it for me. My hands have hardly any blood on them. I'm not used to playing this way!! Hell, I'm NOT playing this way... it's just that circumstances always beat me to the punch. Helen, Pam, and I work like a well oiled espionage/sabotage machine. We have so much information and are manipulating everything. I had figured beforehand that Ibe was probably getting the official pre-votes and that Jill had set up the Jack blindside most likely on her own. Sawyer then threw his vote at Helen. Everything went so well tonight. I actually think that was the first individual challenge I've won since Belize? Wow. I think my biggest strength so far this game has been in forming alliances... symbiotic ones and SEEMINGLY symbiotic ones. Pam, then Newman, then Helen (then I got Helen and Pam together), then Djon, then Lindsey. Next, I'm going to have to get Lindsey and Helen together. At any rate, it's because of these alliances that I get information... o, and immunity idols!!! The trick for the next round is going to be keeping Lindsey in check. If we remove her from the equation, it's technically 4 vs. 4. The thing is, not a bunch of people seem to realize that. Dwight is now offering me a final 4 alliance with himself and Robb. Of course I'm going along with it (and warning my real allies it is happening... Dwight will likely be the next vote). Jill thinks Helen is an ace up HER sleeve, and Sawyer thinks he's got Pam. We are running this tribe, and nobody knows it. They NEVER should have voted out Melissa tonight. On top of this, I'm in a majority voting block of 5... me, Pam, Helen, Djon, and Lindsey. The other side has 4. THAT is why Lindsey HAS to be kept under control. She could conceivably go back over there, but she really has no reason to. I just have to keep her emotions in check. My alliance is controlling the game. And my sub-alliance is controlling my alliance... my sub-alliance being me, Helen, and Pam. The best part is Djon and Lindsey THINK Helen is on the outs. NOBODY KNOWS WE ARE WORKING WITH HELEN!!!! Still. That means our "foursome" seems symbiotic, when it is not. At 5, my sub-alliance will sweep in for the kill and the final three. At that point? I honestly think I'm in control of my sub-alliance.
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| BROBST | Feb 17 2012, 12:30 AM Post #2 |
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New game, huh? ![]() Plus, I love how you have a gun ready for the kill in your avatar! |
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| Kate | Feb 17 2012, 12:39 AM Post #3 |
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Me too... hence what I said with my vote tonight. :ph43r:
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| BROBST | Feb 17 2012, 12:41 AM Post #4 |
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Loved it...........immediately added to "N's & Q's" when I saw it
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| BROBST | Feb 17 2012, 01:49 PM Post #5 |
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So, what's your take on T-Bird/Newman and any efforts he's still making or credit he's wanting to take, etc. etc. etc? Will your Confessional be an eye opener for him? Will others be an eye opener for him? |
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| Kate | Feb 17 2012, 10:59 PM Post #6 |
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My confessional will be an eye opener. I hope it doesn't piss him off. He's still doing everything in his power to help me win, though sometimes I worry a he'll say the wrong thing to the wrong person. He told me he is the most powerful person in the game now, but I mean... he's not in the game. He's playing from the side.... and he doesn't really know everything that is going on. I'll give him credit. He has a passion for this thing. He was furious when Lindsey voted him out. I mean, he took it pretty personally. Now I have to play the game of open-ID Survivor. I have to control the information Newman gets as if he is still a player. It's all part of this thing, and it sucks because he wants me to win so bad after I basically was ready to blindside him. Kind of makes me feel guilty, but the game is still on... |
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| Kate | Feb 18 2012, 09:56 AM Post #7 |
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Update: 2/18/12 10:45 am So now things get interesting. Like I said before, I don't play this game based on trust like a lot of people do. I play based on the notion that everyone is doing what is in their best interest as an individual, not a group. I try to figure out, based on the information I have, what would be the best moves for all the players around me, and then I plan accordingly. I make pre-emptives strikes when I feel there is a potential threat that someone else can get the upper hand against me, so long as the possible repercussions aren't more dangerous or more likely to hit me than the possible rewards for making the strike. All things considered, it might be assassination time. On paper, it is me, Pam, Helen, Ibrehem, and Lindsey going to the final five, at which point, me, Pam, and Helen would take the game. But that just seems too easy. Besides the fact that Lindsey seems too sporadic and chaotic and emotional for my liking, there is also the fact that Jill just made a power move that seems way too stupid to be true. The game is never THAT easy, and while others might be comfortable now, I try to never use the "C word." So, why would Jill make a power move as early as she did that involved getting five players she is presumably not working with to take out a player that is supposedly in her final five plans, all while alienating two other players in her final five plans, and giving the majority to a group of wildcards? If she loses Dwight and Robb, just WHO DOES SHE FEEL SHE HAS LEFT that could possible make her feel secure enough to make that move. She wants Helen to believe the two of them are together. She has Sawyer, and maybe she thinks she has Pam as a result. That's four... still not a majority. So she'll see if she can get Dwight off next, and then me? This is possible. And if it is reality, I have nothing to worry about... but... What if the other people she feels confident in are Ibrehem and Lindsey? What if we are being played? This is just speculation and I'm not even inclined to believe it, but it is POSSIBLE. Ibrehem is a smart player. Lindsey, when she's not breaking down, is ALSO a smart player. So, what if all of this was planned? What if they are comparing notes? Jill would have KNOWN the Jack blindside was safe at that point. She would have complete control of Helen, all while knowing Helen is with me and Pam. Lindsey and Jill were the only two people pming for quite some time last night. It just makes me nervous. The other thing that rubs me the wrong way is why Ibrehem and Lindsey want Dwight out so bad and the the only reason they can give me is that he is an "immunity threat." The guy is clearly on the outs now, while Jill runs around making power moves and trying to pull all the strings. It's pretty much Survivor 101... you take ADVANTAGE of the players that just got blindsided. You USE THEM to take out the players that just did the blindsiding. So I talked to Pam last night. Dwight wants to work with us now... says Robb does too. Pam and I have realized the better move for us is to vote Jill out next. If Jill goes, I know that we have Ibrehem and Lindsey completely in our corner. If Ibe and Lindsey are willing to vote for her, cool. If not, we know we have a problem... but Jill is targeting Dwight, so Helen, Pam, and I would still have a majority if him and Robb vote with us. The final five would look different at that point. The bottom line is I have more options than Ibe and Lindsey do, and I'm going to use them to my advantage. It's time to start testing the loyalties of my allies. I already shot Lindsey a message to see where her head is at on the issue. I used her lack of trust for Helen to try to get the message across. Here is what I sent her...
I'm also trying to show her here that I trust her, because she NEEDS to know she has a good rapport with people based on trust. If she seems to like the idea, we are looking good. If she is against it, especially without reason, it's time for me and Pam to really look into Dwight's offer. As of now, I've been going along with him, and now I have Pam giving him lip service as well. Here's the message I just shot him (the first line is referencing me and Pam)...
Now, if both sides agree to vote Jill, excellent. I still hold my cards tight to the vest. If one side does and the other doesn't, it gets trickier. The other thing is I still have the immunity idol... so we can get tricky with things... orchestrate "accidents" like what happened with Tyson in Belize. The bottom line is I have to make sure me, Pam, and Helen ALWAYS have control. |
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| BROBST | Feb 18 2012, 12:48 PM Post #8 |
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| BROBST | Feb 18 2012, 01:04 PM Post #9 |
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Do you think Jill is a tactical player.........or is she the type that likes to orchestrate big moves without realizing the repercussions of those actions? |
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| Kate | Feb 19 2012, 12:15 AM Post #10 |
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Update: 2/19/12 1:15 am I think Jill makes big moves that she later regrets. For instance, if all goes according to plan, she is getting voted out tomorrow, which will amuse me if it happens, because it's what happened to her as Libby in LOST... she made her big move against me and then got voted out. As it stands, Dwight is pushing for a final four of me, him, Robb, and Pam. We are playing along. Lindsey is SURE that Ibrehem is with Jill now, and whether or not it is true really doesn't matter, because he is not online enough to really factor into big nights like this. As of right now, we have a definite four votes going toward Jill... me, Pam, Helen, and Lindsey. Dwight wanted to split votes to flush out the idol that everyone assumes Helen has. Well, the joke is on everyone, because I have it. I've convinced him that is a bad move because me or him will presumably be Jill's target, and if something goes wrong, we are gone. So, he's saying that both him and Robb (and he also thinks Sawyer) are just going to vote for Jill tomorrow. Now, I still don't know if I trust Robb, but i think Dwight will do what he says. That one vote makes five, which is enough. Meanwhile, Helen informed Jill that Dwight came to her about targeting Jill, just to make sure that Sawyer didn't beat her to the punch. Jill is now taking Helen's warning and twisting it around to throw Helen under the bus. Dwight is trying to "scare" Helen into wasting the idol she doesn't even have by telling her straight up that she is going. It's chaos. BUT, it's chaos that I've been able to kind of control... by being in the heads of every player involved in one way or another... by calling Lindsey and Helen back and forth all night, and by pretending to be with Dwight. Should be interesting. I hope people do what they say they are going to do. The best part is we've manipulated this, with Jill's unkowing help, to make it look like not only am I NOT tight with Helen, but that we are actually against each other in some way!!! |
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| BROBST | Feb 19 2012, 12:21 AM Post #11 |
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Are you surprised that no one seems to think you have the idol? And is it a "group idol" or an individual one? Is there anyone you would use it on at any stage in the game? |
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| Kate | Feb 19 2012, 12:33 AM Post #12 |
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People might think I have the idol... but the official stance is that Helen has it. Everyone at least pretends to think that. Helen is seen as the most active and as the wildcard. People see her as dangerous, and she is... because of the way she is working with me and Pam. I would use the idol on Helen or Pam if they were in danger. I need them. They need me. As you know, mutually beneficial alliances are the kind I dream of... and I have one. It is a group idol... but I am the administrator of it. I like to think I am the administrator of the group. For instance, I pretty much set up this Jill vote. The vote was supposed to be for Dwight, but that made no sense to me. So I sold the Jill vote to Helen by telling her it would make Lindsey stop targeting her. Then I sold it to Pam by saying Helen was down for it and that Dwight wants to work with us. Then I sold it to Lindsey by talking about how much of a threat Jill is... and we all know how Deb regards alpha females... and when I found out she had suspicions about Ibe, I really turned up the heat. I've had Dwight targeting Jill since Jack's blindside, so I knew all I'd have to do is get my group to agree to it and it would be done. Things got dicey tonight, but I had my seeds planted in everyone's minds and I just jumped from phone call to phone call, email to email, facebook message to facebook message, making sure everyone was falling in line the right way. It was fairly exhausting, and my girlfriend probably wants to kill me!!! But yeah, I'll give it to Helen or Pam... or maybe even Lindsey, but only if I need to. I want us to be the final four, and me, Pam, and Helen to be the final three. I'm not going to be brutal enough in an open ID-game to cut ties with either of those two before that point. And as much as it might sound like it, I still have not felt comfortable for one second. I'm going to be nervous tomorrow. I know I'm a target in the backs of people's minds. Given the information I have, I think I'll be safe. But who's to say I have the right information. You can tell these people are All-Stars. The heat is rising. |
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| BROBST | Feb 19 2012, 12:45 AM Post #13 |
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A split-screen of various phone calls in this game would be absolutely hilarious :lol: |
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| Kate | Feb 19 2012, 12:48 AM Post #14 |
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Yes. Very much so. :lol: |
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That means our "foursome" seems symbiotic, when it is not. At 5, my sub-alliance will sweep in for the kill and the final three. At that point? I honestly think I'm in control of my sub-alliance.




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