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Round Eleven; 2/20/12 1:50 am
Topic Started: Feb 20 2012, 12:50 AM (69 Views)
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Well, I have to give Lindsey credit. She has a good poker face. She's also out of her gourd. Now I understand why Newman was so upset when she vote him out. It's not that she played him. It's the WAY she played him. She seems so sincere. You should have heard our phone calls. She makes it seem so personal. O well. It's all part of the game. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that she tried to use tears and emotional appeals to "out of game" things to gain trust. I would never do that. To me, you have to seperate the two. Nonetheless, that was pretty cutthroat and pretty brilliant. Hunter would be proud... except...

....she probably can't win now. If she can't even own up to her own moves, she certainly can't win the game. Who's going to vote for someone that played brilliantly and denies it? She blames Helen for HER OWN LIES, which is ridiculous. At some point, the writing is on the wall. When you know you've been caught, continuing to lie just makes you look bad. That's really all I can say about that.

These people are either using her to get to the end game, where they'll weed her out... or they are all planning to drag her like a goat to the slaughter at the final tribal council... where she will lose.

O well. Accusing Ibrehem of HER OWN CRIME BEFORE SHE EVEN COMMITED IT was awesome. Thumbs up to her for that one. She gest HUGE ninja points. Espionage? Sabotage? Assassination? Check, check, and check.

She doesn't do well under pressure though, which is why I think she'd bomb any final tribal council she goes to. Upon being confronted, the best she could do was to blame everything on Newman and call Helen names. She wouldn't even address me at all. :rolleyes:

Well, what can I say? Next time I'm invited to play an open ID game, I will make sure I decline unless I have four or five good friends playing it with me. :rolleyes:

As for the future? I was smart enough to start all of that mayhem at tribal, knowing they'd think I was trying to bait them into voting for me... so that they wouldn't vote for me... so that I wouldn't have to use the idol. I still have it. It is NO LONGER A GROUP IDOL!!!

I will most likely have to play it a the next tribal council unless I win individual immunity. Obviously, everyone knows I'm working with Helen now. She'll most likely get voted out next, which will take care of that problem. Then I can only hope someone needs me to make a move. All five of them can NOT make it to the end. Let's see if the bottom feeders are smart enough to come to me.
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What always makes me curious at a time like this.......and especially with the way the last three TC's have gone..............is whether people can do simple math or not.


Seven people are left.


Two slots at the end.


Five people being lied to.


Well, not five..........but you get the picture.





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Well get this.

7 people were supposed to vote for Jill.

Dwight, Robb, me, Pam, Lindsey, Ibe, and Helen.

Only 4 people ended up voting that way, and Ibe obviously was one of them, since only 2 names were revealed and his was one of them.

Obviously, the people that lied knew I knew how I voted. So that means 3 people voted differently than they said they did. One of them was Robb, who I never trusted to begin with, and who never really made any attempt to fool me anyway. The other two were Dwight and Lindsey.

And neither one of them realized they were caught. Lindsey should have known I'd trust Pam and Helen. She was like, "well it wasn't me." Lindsey, it's BASIC MATH. Robb and Diwght lied... and so did someone else. That someone else is you, dear. Duh.

And Dwight? He says to me "so I guess you, me, Robb, and Pam were the Jill votes?" Um no, because IBREHEM DID NOT VOTE AGAINST HIMSELF. Try again.
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Obviously, you can tell that I record those Host Video updates long before I post them, so I have no idea what would be happening at the time I made each one.
But I also know the things people might need to hear at various stages.


With that said....


Any idea how to get yourself on the positive side of the numbers after having been on the negative side tonight?





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I'm about to post an interesting conversation I'm currently having with Sawyer. ;)
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I'm about to read it ;)
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Kate to Sawyer
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That went splendidly.


Sawyer to Kate
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I told u (through allie) I was being honest


Kate to Sawyer
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Yeah. LOL. I'm sure you can understand why I find it hard to trust anyone left in the game.

I get a free pass Tuesday with my idol. Then at 6, I guess it's go time. 

By the way, nothing I said or did tonight was personal. I had to stir things up. Lindsey made things seem personal in order to control me, and I didn't like that. I seperate the game and real life and I would never do that. She did, and I feel played... even cheated... though I guess you can't cheat in Survivor. Part of me thinks she's genius. The other part is just agitated. I guess thus is an open-ID game. But one thing is for sure, NEWMAN WAS NOT PLAYING THE GAME FOR ANY OF US.


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Listen, I think the best time for "go time" is 7- its harder to work with even numbers.  I know eventually they have an easy reason to get me out as a past winner, blah blah blah, hot tub or no hot tub LOL.  If I've earned your trust tonight at all let me know, Im really not sure what else I could have done...also, I haven't told anyone u have the idol.  They all still think helen does.


Kate to Sawyer
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I would have given it to Pam if I could... it just doesn't work that way.  You have to declare whether or not you are playing it when you vote... not before the votes are revealed.

She texted me telling me your plan, and I know you've genuinely wanted to work with her, at least as much as possible, this whole time.

Every single person in the "hot tub" or even the "Pulau Seven" (minus Ibe) that has told me they were going to do something, has pretty much lied... other than you.

You are playing a smooth game.  I know we are both good players, and I know you know it too.  I don't care if you have won or come in last.  The only thing that matters to me is if we can help each other.  The reason I've worked with the people I've worked with in this game is because we mutually benefited each other... or so I thought.  If you don't have that, you have nothing.  If I am of benefit to you, just let me know, because you are obviously of benefit to me.

I have to play my idol Tuesday.  I can't risk it.  I would rather get 6th than 7th.  But if you want to make a move, I will vote however you want.  If you want to make a move at 6, I'll do it.  If you want to make a move at 5, I'll do it... because I need a way to stay alive.

Hell, if you want to make a move at 7, when you know I'm not going anywhere, and you do what you tell me you are going to do, you will completely have my trust.  If we can both have something to offer each other, I'm with you.  You just let me know, because I do not know the dynamics of your little hot tub group.

I will say this though.  Even if you plan on voting me out, I would appreaciate it if you at least vote Lindsey out before me.  She was going to quit, and then she cried to me about it and used the emotional aspect of what she called an "out of game" thing to get my trust... just to betray me for no good reason.  She didn't need to do any of that.  She is a loose cannon, and when she got  caught in a lie, she just denied it, called Helen names, blamed everything on Newman, and wouldn't even address me.

Anyway, let's keep in touch and talk things through... since we have some time now.


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I am assuming you have helen, and I have one vote with me.  That is 4.  Right now I dont control things, I just do as I am told (which I am not good at).  I wish it was u and pam and not helen because she is a loose cannon and i really like allie, but we work with what we have.  The dynamic of the hot tub is that they all reallly want to win and I stand in the way of that at some point.  I learned early on in life the one who hits first almost always wins teh fight so I dont want to wait to get hit.  I 100% trst the person who who vote with us.  And it would take trust on both sides because obviously u could just tell them my plan and get me voted out, but that would just buy you an extra TC.  Either way, Im cool with it.  A hot tub pagonging in all star fake online survivor sucks and its boring and lame.  I was really hoping allie would whip out the idol and even moe shit would hit the fan.  Plus, as pathetic as this sounds, a Sawyer/Kate FTC would be cool and we would represent for LOST LOL minus one sayid
So the terms are A) you dont rat me out  Helen doesnt go bat shit crazy even though I voted for her tonight because I <3 allie C) if you guys fuck us over eventually, you save me and fuck over my partner D) you can play your idol if you want but I will 100% tell you if you need to and if we are voting as 4 it wouldnt make any sense.
sound fair enough?  I dont lie in these games, I present options that are within my means and people take them or they dont.  I dont waste time getting my jollies "playing people" Allie and Newman both can vouch for that.  I told allie I would protect her and I did the best I could and then I took the wrath of my tribe for not voting for her.  I didnt vote for newman either because I promised him I wouldnt.  I am a lot of things in these games, but my word is good, and if I cant keep it you will know in plenty of time to do something about it if you can...


Kate to Sawyer
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1. I'm in.  You can trust Helen 100%.  She is not a loose cannon at all.  That's the persona we set her up with.  She's a great player and has been with me and Pam since day one.  We purposely tried to frame it in a way that made it look like she had nothing to do with us so we could get more information.  It was working like a charm until Lindsey came along.  Helen has always been  very level headed and strategic.  Lindsey has made all the erratic moves and has tried to paint Helen as the one that has been off her rocker.  Helen actually found the idol and gave it to me.  So yeah, she will work with us, and she will understand the need to work with you, even though you've voted for her... because she is logical. 

2. I have no reason to rat you out.  If you are presenting me with a final four agreement, and the best I have under any other circumstance is final 6, you are offering me the better deal.  AND, I don't even care who your ally is... because I don't take anything personally.  They could have been targeting me all game, and it would make no difference to me, as long as we are mutually beneficial to each other.  I will work with the person.  I don't take anything in the game personally.  All ratting you out would do is hurt me because you have options I don't have.  If you want to work with me, I'd rather work with you than against you.

3. I would still obviously feel safer playing the idol Tuesday.  Plus, if it goes, there would no longer be any paranoia over it... but there is still time to think that part over.


Sawyer to Kate
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Cool, I'll talk to our 4th tomorrow and get buy in.  I dont want them thinking I am calling the shots...I've learned from being married IRL its always best to make everything seem to be a joint decision. HAHA 

Full disclosure, I can get u F4 but probably not helen.,,if you win immunity and you go to FTC I would appreciate it if you vote for whomever I dont vote for so its a tie and the other two duke it out to join us at FTC, but of course you are welcome to do whatever the hell you like...if that isn't good for you just let me know and we can go back to whatever the heck plan B is and forget we ever spoke

Gnight dude - take it slow....


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I'm ok with the tie plan. I'm going to copy and paste this entire conversation into my confessional now. Rest assured this has made my night, because I was pretty much reading the writing on the wall. I had just gotten done telling Brett that SOMEBODY should realize they are going to need to make a move. And then just like clockwork, we got to talking.

And like I said, I have a good inclination that the person you are working with is probably either Jill or Robb. And I can see why either one of them would think I wouldn't want to work with them. But it's like I said about Helen. She will work with you, and I will work with them. Just let me know. We'll keep in touch!
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AND THE GAME ROLLS ON........


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Indeed. B)
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P.S. - I have to work in an hour. I'm leaving here in a half-hour. I never went to sleep. There's proof that these games are addicting. :lol:
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I had to work early this morning out of town. Knew I would be making part of the drive late last night after the double-boot. Original intention was to roll through everything quickly so I could get on the road and get to bed. I just let y'all play out Part 2 Double TC however the heck it was gonna go. I knew it would mean me getting on the road at about 2:30am and getting to sleep around 5am and back up at 7am, and on the road again.


Further proof.


ADDICTING. ;)





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Update: 2/21/12 1:40 am

So Sawyer and I are discussing my immunity idol. We've decided it would be better served in my pocket after tomorrow night than out of game. There is no need to play it since Lindsey is pretty much set to be voted out. We have a clear majority, with a voting block of me, Sawyer, Helen, and Jill. So yeah, I will not be playing it tomorrow.

Sawyer suggests that after that, I give it to Helen and she plays it so that we can eliminate any member of the hot tub alliance we want (other than him). If we go that route, we will definitely want to take out Jill or Robb. I'm assuming he'd throw his vote away. I'm sure he still doesn't want to get blood on his hands. That would leave a final five of me, Helen, Sawyer, Dwight, and Robb.

The idea is we'd vote Helen out at that point. I'd get final four. After that, things get cloudy, though Saywer has hinted that he wouldn't mind going to the end with me and that he's bored with working with the same people all the time. I don't know that he would betray them though.

The thing is, what Sawyer may or may not know is that Jill had been talking Helen's ear off about how she wants to vote SAWYER out at final five. So I'm telling him we should keep our ears open and that the idol is basically shared between us. We can do some "creative" things with it. If Jill gives me enough evidence to convict her of treason, I might be able to get Sawyer to just straight up vote her out with us after Lindsey. Then, we could use the idol to vote out Robb or Dwight, still while keeping Sawyer's hands clean.

Then there is the idea that Jill will want to vote out Dwight after Lindsey. Supposedly, she is telling Helen she wants final four to be me, her, Robb, and Helen.

Bottom line, I'm very much still in this thing.
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Update: 2/21/12, about two hours before challenge time...

So, there are supposed to be four votes for Lindsey tonight coming from me, Sawyer, Jill, and Helen. According to Sawyer, Diwght, Robb, and Lindsey think they'll be splitting five votes between me and Helen in order to vote one of us out while flushing out the idol. He says he is going to make sure he is supposed to vote in the group with 3 so that, even if Jill flakes out, we still have 3 votes for Lindsey, and only 2 for anyone else.

Great. So long as Jill doesn't try to get clever, thinking I'm going to play the idol. If she were to get a unified vote against me... which would make her look innocent (Lindsey would look like an idol victim), Sawyer would look like the bad guy for voting for Lindsey. This would play perfectly into her plan to get Sawyer voted out at 5, because he'd Lindsey would still be gone (idoled out), and me and Helen would both still be in the game. Jill assumes I'm going to play the idol, but if I don't, she could get me voted out by accident.

At this point, that is just a possibility. She told Helen we are voting four strong tonight and that it will piss off Robb and Dwight. It wouldn't be a good idea for her to piss off Helen
by lying to her if she is going to rely on her down the road. So the plan, at the moment, is to hold onto it again tonight.
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