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No Matter The Scale; Diorama's Form & Content--Join the Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 11 2009, 08:54 PM (283 Views)
DamnCranky666	Oct 11 2009, 08:54 PM Post #1
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	Hey, whatayaknow, finally a topic when can all wax poetic about . . . the things you see in a build, no matter the scale the builder used. That certain something that catches the viewer's heart and imagination and eye . . . As examples, I am using two that come to mind quickly: Fesmire's "No Smoking" Wall and Hamilton's coffee can diorama . . .. Here's Chester's: There are builds that really capture the eye no matter the scale because not only are they well executed, but the details, the "atmosphere" is perfect . . . Here's another example . . .



DamnCranky666	Oct 11 2009, 08:58 PM Post #2
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	In Chester's build you get a sense of that quiet moment, the perfect moment. A man and his machine, say on a morning drive and then a pitstop, the lighting of that cigarette to enjoy the beauty of the moment and the build. Hamilton's build capture that teenage angst and restlessness. There's movement captured in this scene . . . in both the use of figures enhances the overall feel of the scene . . . I think withought them there be just a static diorama . . . Chester's, of course, easily serves as a photo backdrop, but this picture captures the true essence of the scene. Hamilton's diorama would not work without the figures . . . although I wonder if by changing the figures to something else wether the scene feel and mood would change entirely.



DamnCranky666	Oct 12 2009, 08:45 AM Post #3
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	One of the things that has intrigued me about a many builds you guys have shared on this forum is the base, or in some cases the container. Hamilton's coffee can, and then there's Hollywood's PBL inside the actual peanut butter container. Usint the whole container as the build really fascinates me . . . Oh wait! That's the wrong picture!!! Innitially we all thought his was it, right? But no, not when you are dealing with Jim's imagination . . .



DamnCranky666	Oct 12 2009, 09:04 AM Post #4
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	Here's a recent picture of one of my favorite diorama builders, Jean Bernard Andre, who I hope doesn't mind I am sharing a picture of one of his latest builds with you guys here . . . Nature + Subject = Compostional balance This is a piece titled: JAWS If you want to check out more of his work you can go here: http://www.jbadiorama.com/index.php Edited by DamnCranky666, Oct 12 2009, 09:05 AM.



DamnCranky666	Oct 12 2009, 10:32 AM Post #5
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	Clearly in the above we see several elements at work, the most prevalent being the water . . . this is one of those dioramas that really puts all key components to great use. But the base is a frame, a picture frame, which, of course, brings framing to mind . . . and both with NK's builds, but this early work from Mr. Doan, which really utilizes the boundaries of a picture frame to pull this facade off . . . Here's one of NK most minimalist builds . . . also quite hangeable!



DamnCranky666	Oct 12 2009, 10:35 AM Post #6
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	Speaking of style, I think over time we've all trained our eyes to be able to recognize each other's style. So if you saw this PBL built back in 2006, you would immediately recognize it as . . . NK's, right!



eshaver	Oct 12 2009, 10:40 AM Post #7
Junior Member Posts: 73 Group: Members Member #1,273 Joined: July 24, 2009	This reminds me of my years as an Advertising student at Virginia Commonwealth U in 1970...................... Ed Shaver



DamnCranky666	Oct 12 2009, 10:46 AM Post #8
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	The work or the topic? The boys here really roll their eyes up into their skulls when they come across such a lofty topic from that rascal Damn Cranky!!! But hey, anything to get a lively healthy discussion going . . .



Lou	Oct 12 2009, 12:09 PM Post #9
Bronze Medal Member Posts: 2,798 Group: Members Member #622 Joined: February 15, 2007	I love NK's "dioramas" the only problem is there aren't any shiny model cars in them. Is that allowed on this forum? What next... canal scenes? If his dio's were done at a larger scale they would definitely sell in the galleries. They have a fine art look to them. And as Ivan Karp the owner of the OK Harris gallery told me, "If you can hang it on a wall, it will sell better than if it needs a pedestal." That was kind of funny to me seeing he was the rep for Duane Hanson at the time. As HJ mentioned deciding on a scale is step number one in building a diorama. I've always had that problem of deciding on scale. So many scales, so little time.



DamnCranky666	Oct 12 2009, 01:02 PM Post #10
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	Here's Marken's classic PBL . . .



DamnCranky666	Oct 13 2009, 08:38 PM Post #11
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	This topic is open for anyone who wants to jump in and wax poetic about any element of dioramas and or models, no matter the scale.



Lou	Oct 13 2009, 08:57 PM Post #12
Bronze Medal Member Posts: 2,798 Group: Members Member #622 Joined: February 15, 2007	"Miyagi: Wax on, right hand. Wax off, left hand. Wax on, wax off. Breathe in through nose, out the mouth. Wax on, wax off. Don't forget to breathe, ..." Grasshopper You too can be featured on the cover of Scale Auto by following this pattern. Once again. " Wax on, right hand. Wax off, left hand. Wax on, wax off. Breathe in through nose, out the mouth. Wax on, wax off. Don't forget to breathe. And most important never ever make dioramas or vehicles with dirt or rust." Never think outside the box unless you are using aftermarket detailing parts." Edited by Lou, Oct 13 2009, 08:59 PM.



dptydawg	Oct 13 2009, 09:40 PM Post #13
Member Posts: 352 Group: Members Member #560 Joined: December 27, 2006	Lou Oct 13 2009, 08:57 PM Never think outside the box unless you are using aftermarket detailing parts." But only if they advertise in said mag.



DamnCranky666	Oct 14 2009, 06:37 AM Post #14
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	That brings up a very interesting point: some of the builds I've done out of the box have been so much fun!!! I think superdetailing something is fine and dandy as long as you have fun doing it. Anything can be deadly once it becomes too much of chore.



DaveInTheHat	Oct 14 2009, 10:37 AM Post #15
Advanced Member In The Hat Posts: 2,160 Group: Members Member #386 Joined: August 20, 2006	Sometimes its good to go back to the basics. That would be: 1. Rip all the parts off the trees 2. Use at least one full tube of glue 3. Use all the parts. 4. Use one pack of Testors paint. 5. Use all the decals. Then sit back and reflect on how much fun you just had.



Lou	Oct 14 2009, 10:43 AM Post #16
Bronze Medal Member Posts: 2,798 Group: Members Member #622 Joined: February 15, 2007	Didn't HJ do a build like that a while back? I'm not sure if it was painted.



nkhandekar	Oct 14 2009, 10:56 AM Post #17
Advanced Member Posts: 1,796 Group: Members Member #523 Joined: December 13, 2006	Maybe I'm just perverse, but I think that making it through the hard parts, the times when you want to put it down and walk away and put it in the "to be completed" pile, gives a real sense of satisfaction in the end. Every time I do a build I go through the: This is crap, this will never work, who am I trying to fool? what was I thinking? routine (like when I was laying over a thousand plaster bricks) and when its finished, I am so glad that I stuck to my guns. There is something to be said for sticking in there and not giving up easily...Look at HJ's Bad Penny as an example of what I am talking about.



DamnCranky666	Oct 14 2009, 11:05 AM Post #18
Admin--Chief Crank Posts: 14,954 Group: Admin Member #666 Joined: April 1, 2007	Yes, I am in agreement with that approach, but then I think that sometimes the builder is not ready for a particular build, or for where his/her imagination has taken him/her. Sometimes the skills need to be gotten, practiced, etc . . . along the way, I finally learned a valuable lesson and that is to put all the kit parts of an unfinished project back in its original box. A few years later I have been pleasantly surprised to find an unfinished kit that triggers a new desire for completion.



Dan S	Oct 15 2009, 03:04 AM Post #19
Bronze Medal Member Posts: 2,216 Group: Members Member #607 Joined: January 31, 2007	I wish I had done just that with a certain Chrysler 300 kit I was building a few years ago. I had done considerable work on it, shortening the body into a 2 seater, changing out most of the chassis for a Viper's, using the Viper's v 10, making it a convertable. It would have been the most radical car I'd ever built. But I could not get this one body joint to stop ghosting back through the paint. I was so obsessed with it, it was either kill it or it'll kill me. So, it methodically put it in a garbage compactor and turned it on. Stupid. Now, WHY could I not have just put it in the box, and make it difficult to pull out and fester with, say wrap a roll of duct tape around the box or something and poke it way far under the house where I'd find it later on? Ya gotta know, this was way before I ever had a 'puter, web access... much less forums where any number of chaps coulda put me on the right path.



Mercman	Oct 17 2009, 01:15 AM Post #20
Bronze Medal Member Posts: 2,708 Group: Members Member #482 Joined: November 25, 2006	Dan S Oct 15 2009, 03:04 AM I wish I had done just that with a certain Chrysler 300 kit I was building a few years ago. I had done considerable work on it, shortening the body into a 2 seater, changing out most of the chassis for a Viper's, using the Viper's v 10, making it a convertable. It would have been the most radical car I'd ever built. But I could not get this one body joint to stop ghosting back through the paint. I was so obsessed with it, it was either kill it or it'll kill me. So, it methodically put it in a garbage compactor and turned it on. Stupid. Now, WHY could I not have just put it in the box, and make it difficult to pull out and fester with, say wrap a roll of duct tape around the box or something and poke it way far under the house where I'd find it later on? Ya gotta know, this was way before I ever had a 'puter, web access... much less forums where any number of chaps coulda put me on the right path. Dan I can relate. I was doing the Boyd's Aluma Coupe kit, when it hit the wall literally!!!!!!!!! All that was left of it are the rims, and tires which found there way onto this one. That is also why I put this one aside, Got to the point where it was getting to dep to finish, too many little details to work out, so best to be set aside for later. Edited by Mercman, Oct 17 2009, 01:18 AM.



customcreator	Oct 17 2009, 10:53 AM Post #21
Member Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #1,272 Joined: July 24, 2009	For me, "The chase is better than the kill" I have the most fun building them(and the most hate...lol) Once they are finished, and I have had a photograph session or three, they sit on a shelf. I think I put so much work into them, I am seriously tired of looking at them completed. Of course, my dio's have nothing to do with model cars or small scale, but I like the comradery between builders. No matter what scale, most techniques still apply.



eshaver	Oct 17 2009, 01:27 PM Post #22
Junior Member Posts: 73 Group: Members Member #1,273 Joined: July 24, 2009	Would someone P - M Custom Creator and remind him to jump in on this discussion . This guy has some REAL TALENT and some jerk on annother board jumped his case cuse he posted a non auto diorama and somebody who is obviously jealous had to make a smart remark about it . Custom Creator could show me a thing or two and I bet I still wouldn't have an eighth of the knowlege he possesses ! Ed Shaver



customcreator	Oct 17 2009, 01:57 PM Post #23
Member Posts: 118 Group: Members Member #1,272 Joined: July 24, 2009	eshaver Oct 17 2009, 01:27 PM Would someone P - M Custom Creator and remind him to jump in on this discussion . This guy has some REAL TALENT and some jerk on annother board jumped his case cuse he posted a non auto diorama and somebody who is obviously jealous had to make a smart remark about it . Custom Creator could show me a thing or two and I bet I still wouldn't have an eighth of the knowlege he possesses ! Ed Shaver Um Ed, one post above yours....lol unless you were being "tongue-in-cheek" As a 33 year old guy, I am sure you have TONS more experience under your belt, although I thank you for the compliments.



Dan S	Oct 17 2009, 05:13 PM Post #24
Bronze Medal Member Posts: 2,216 Group: Members Member #607 Joined: January 31, 2007	customcreator Oct 17 2009, 10:53 AM For me, "The chase is better than the kill" I have the most fun building them(and the most hate...lol) Once they are finished, and I have had a photograph session or three, they sit on a shelf. I think I put so much work into them, I am seriously tired of looking at them completed. Of course, my dio's have nothing to do with model cars or small scale, but I like the comradery between builders. No matter what scale, most techniques still apply. I'm the opposite. To me a finished build is it's own trophy. The longer and harder it has been, the more I like looking at it when it's done. Sometime's I'll keep a newly finished project in the building room just to have it around, before moving it into the glass cases (which are not in the building room, so I won't see it as often). I have learned a LOT here, much of which I still have yet to actually apply. That 300 was not the most difficult model I have ever attempted, but it would probably make the top 4 or 5.



Fordforever	Oct 17 2009, 05:23 PM Post #25
Senior Member Posts: 922 Group: Members Member #802 Joined: September 26, 2007	Dan S Oct 15 2009, 03:04 AM I wish I had done just that with a certain Chrysler 300 kit I was building a few years ago. I had done considerable work on it, shortening the body into a 2 seater, changing out most of the chassis for a Viper's, using the Viper's v 10, making it a convertable. It would have been the most radical car I'd ever built. But I could not get this one body joint to stop ghosting back through the paint. I was so obsessed with it, it was either kill it or it'll kill me. So, it methodically put it in a garbage compactor and turned it on. Stupid. Now, WHY could I not have just put it in the box, and make it difficult to pull out and fester with, say wrap a roll of duct tape around the box or something and poke it way far under the house where I'd find it later on? Ya gotta know, this was way before I ever had a 'puter, web access... much less forums where any number of chaps coulda put me on the right path. Thats funny Dan. I have'nt smashed a build since I started back into modeling 12 years ago.When I get frustrated I put them in the box with rest of the unbuilt models.... Maybe I will finish something. Chuck



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