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| Topic Started: Nov 1 2009, 09:18 PM (92 Views) | |
| tgabreu | Nov 1 2009, 09:18 PM Post #1 |
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Had to blow some steam, and no one at home wants to listen! I caught a few minutes of one those car auctions on TV this afternoon- the car on the block was described as " an original, fully restored Yenko Deuce. This car is a re-body, but it is an original Yenko Nova..." Original Yenko? Re-bodied? Are you serious?!!! In the classic car world, re-bodies are accepted, to some degree, because the original maufacturer, say Duesenberg, sold their product as a rolling chassis. Then a coachbuilder would do his thing. If you replaced the original body with a new one, it's still a Duesenberg, since the original frame and running gear is retained. A Nova, like so many other muscle cars is a unit body. Jacking up the VIN plate and sliding a different car under it is not a re-body-it's fraud. Without the original body (which the seller claimed was too rusty to restore) it can't possibly be the same car! Then there's the issue of paint and bodywork: how does it make any sense at all to reproduce all the overspray, drips, runs and errors of the assembly line process, the have perfect bodywork? "Restored to better than new" they say. If it's better than new, It's not restored- It's custom! No muscle car ever came off the line with glass smooth , clearcoated urethane paint and perfect panel gaps! I'd love the see judges start deducting points for non-accurate fit and finish. Then there's the magazine articles where these guys brag about how many hours they paid for to have their cars (improperly) restored- one guy claimed 300 hours to prep the mint condition decklid of a 60's Impala for paint. Another claimed 700 hours to have the underside of a B body MoPar refinished! And these guys were proud af that! If someone tried to charge me those kinds of hours, my car would be out of there so fast his head would spin! Before I step off my soap box, let me add my newest pet peeve: the word "Tribute". Tribute cars, tribute music, et al. Let's call it like it is- fake! It's just the newest trend to make money off of someone else's reputation. There was advertising on the radio last week for a venue that was featuring "a U-2 tribute band" Didn't we used to call that "plagiarism" OK. I'm done now. TG |
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| SVO | Nov 1 2009, 11:05 PM Post #2 |
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I have to agree with you on the "re-body". Although wasn't the Yenko cars a modification a dealer performed on the Nova and Camaro's? Where an AAR Cuda was straight from the factory. |
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| Bryan_M | Nov 1 2009, 11:07 PM Post #3 |
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YES!! RANT ON BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!! i agree with you 100% bryan m |
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| Bryan_M | Nov 1 2009, 11:11 PM Post #4 |
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yea SVO.......the yenko was a dealer modification.........the dealer is close to my home here, and guess what..................THEY SELL HONDAS NOW!!!!! damn!   heres a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenko_Chevrolet it is (was) about 20 miles or so from my house........ bryan |
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| SVO | Nov 2 2009, 07:23 PM Post #5 |
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Bryan_M Said;..................THEY SELL HONDAS NOW!!!!! damn! Why don't that suprise me? 
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| tgabreu | Nov 2 2009, 10:15 PM Post #6 |
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I could be wrong, but I think the Yenko deuces were COPO cars; factory installed LT-1 by special order. That point aside, dealer modified cars were recorded by VIN, and, no matter how you slice it, if you change the body, it's not an original car. I work in a restoration shop. To me and my gearhead co-workers, this kind of thing is akin to scratching your nails on a chalkboard! TG |
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| Bryan_M | Nov 2 2009, 11:19 PM Post #7 |
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TG..............i agree. if the body has been changed, its NOT the same car anymore. i have restored a couple cars in my time, my buddy has a shop and i used to work for him on the weekends...... the last thing we did was a 1950 ford pickup, it was a ground up resto, everything was replaced, every nut, bolt screw.......but, it retained the original cab, and bed......which was in pretty rough shape, but we fixed it.......i only wihs i had pics of it. i worked on that truck for 2 years! yea its heart breaking that yenko sells hondas now!...........i wonder if they are doing a "yenko accord"............ bryan |
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| bob29579 | Nov 3 2009, 11:46 AM Post #8 |
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I have to say I agree too. When I buy an "original" car, I want every nut, bolt and grommet to be original. The only thing that should not be original is things you change for maint like oil and fluids and spark plugs and things of that nature. If a car has a new water pump, it's not original any more. That isn't a big deal, but still, it isn't original and that should be noted. A new body? Original? Come on now... |
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| rickr442 | Nov 19 2009, 03:22 AM Post #9 |
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Hi Guys! The Yenko Deuce rebody is a new one for me, and opens the door to many abuses on the part of the seller. Too bad/no wonder auctions have so little credibility!It probably didn't bring 'big' money... I write for car magazines, and the thread brings an article to mind. Two years ago at SEMA I met Jim Barber of Classic Automotive Restoration Services in N.C. Jim is an absolute wizard at organizing car builds that have a nod toward heritage, and displayed a Hugger Orange '69 Yenko Camaro, #202 of 201. HUH? Well, Jim was one of the biggies behind the introduction of the Dynacorn bodies five years ago, and was in fact the first 'GM-approved' assembler for the Dynacorn bodies. This whole car was assembled from NOS or new stock-matching components, was just flat exquisite, certainly the nicest 69 Camaro I'd ever seen, built to Mercedes 'gap standards' with 99% of the Dynacorn inaccuracies corrected. Bitchin' car! But I took untold heat on the supoercar chat boards for not 'trashing' the car front to back! Jim had gone to the Yenko estate to get licensing for the name, and GM had even granted a 'BC' (Belews Creek) assembly point designation for the 'factory'. The cars were legit, licensed, continuation cars for the Yenko tradition, even though they weren't 'old'. As long as the owner of this $135k car took the right tack and didn't claim it to be a 'survivor', it was a great kick-ass car. The readers assumed I was praising it as the real thing... not even close! I just thought it was a great idea, a new opportunity for people to experience the 'real' thing 40 years after the fact. Hopefully it will survive to be worthy of its own restoration in 20 years. |
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| tgabreu | Nov 20 2009, 11:00 PM Post #10 |
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I disagree- I don't care who signs off on it. It isn't now, and never will be the real thing. 69 Camaros were built by GM in model year 69, period. Why don't these people just call them what they are: fakes, phonies, reproductions, etc. 69 Camaros, as did most cars of the era, had shortcomings and quality control issues, that were part and parcel of a mass produced vehicle. I guess I just don't understand the logic of building a brand new car, out of all new parts, and saying it's an old car just because it's the same shape. TG |
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